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I was just reading some tech news, and I came across some really bad news... NVidia's GT300 just went from 20% to 2% yield
I mean, this is just ridiculous...
Well, they sent a batch of 416(4x104) GT300 GPUs to be tested andd... they only came back with 7 good chips.
So if you do the math and divide 7 by 416, you get around 1.7%. And that's after rounding up.
With further, more idealistic rounding up, you get the number "2%".
That's just horrible; 20% was bad enough, but 2% is just unacceptable. What's happening at NVidia!!??
Maybe the rush of getting a presentable prototype out in time is messing with NVidia?
While we're on the topic of GPUs, I'm going to tell you my honest opinion about the whole GPU arena. Especially between:
AMD vs NVidia
I honestly think that AMD is going to take this round by a long shot, seeing as NVidia can't even get a yield higher than 20%.
AMD looks like they're in tip-top shape, while NVidia is at an abysmal 2% yield. And they only have a few weeks left to fix this, and create a presentable demo version of the GT300.
And looking at the prices that vendors are selling these GPUs, they're going to have an awesome price-per-performance ratio.
Some of AMD's DX11 GPUs are even cheaper than some of NVidia's older, DX10 graphics cards.
Poll: Who will win this round of the GPU market OVERALL?
(Vote): NVidia
(Vote): AMD
(Vote): Intel Larrabee FTW!
As always, post your reason why in comments below!
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Check your sources. 2% is trolling by Charlie Demerjan, the least credible person in the entire tech industry lol .
PS. also, your link doesn't work.
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some leaked benchmarks showed that the 5850 bests the gtx275 and the 5870 beats the gtx295. that's pretty impressive. i'd like to see what nvidia will bring.
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if Nvidia does not provide information or a release date for their cards by the time AMD's 58XX comes out, I do not think people who are looking to purchase next gen video cards will be willing to wait for Nvidia to release GT300. this is assuming the benchmarks comparing GTX 285, GTX 295, 5850, & 5870 are true. the rumored TDP numbers & temps for AMD's 58XX are also impressive.
I don't know the release dates for the AMD 57XX series, but AMD will be able to provide a much wider spectrum of DX11 ready video cards than Nvidia. I am fairly certain of that.
Larrabee will be DOA.
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i think mid ranged ati cards are coming out in october. hopefully this means previous gen cards get a sharp price decrease. 
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Fuck, when you wrote this I thought this was the ATI 300 series which is a really damn old and shitty card. Also, I honestly could care less about the graphics wars because it's ridiculous how many new cards pc gamers need to buy to have the latest and greatest graphics. When I bought it I thought my 7600GT was the shit but now I can't do anything with it. It's practically worthless now. This isn't true with other products. At least you can still drive your old Honda on the freeway. /rant
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On September 17 2009 05:48 Athos wrote:
When I bought it I thought my 7600GT
nVidia graphics cards are like Star Trek movies: the even numbered generations were much more memorable. Looks like this might continue to hold true, since even if yields aren't bad the 300 series will be late.
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I have an ATI card...it works fine.
Honestly, unless you're one of those techno-geek guys who like to push their stuff to the absolute limit, it really doesn't matter.
The only reason why I would have liked to have gotten an nvidia card over an ATI one is that I really liked playing Mirror's Edge...and it would have been so much cooler with phys-x. ):
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Ati gonna rape NVidia for a while ( the next gen cards at least ).
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ATI get's more fanboy hype why don't we wait and do the usual price vs performance index.
Frankly both company's have gotten alot of super hype with the next gen dx11 cards nvidia is delayed though due supply so i mean ATI gets a easy month or two of no direct competition from nvidia.
Anyways in graphics cards those who sell around the 200 mark with the best price and performance wins over the enthusiast crowd
around 100 dollars wins over the rest.
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eh i don't know why ppl need 2gb graphics cards honestly...
my 9600 gt can run anything i throw at it on high (save gta iv and crysis). and it's a middle range 512mb card o.o
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uh da_head because they don't want to buy another graphics card in a year or two like you will have to?
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On September 17 2009 08:55 FragKrag wrote:
uh da_head because they don't want to buy another graphics card in a year or two like you will have to?
lol
They will regardless
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yeah but they won't need to because the next games wont be running at 10 fps.
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right now i'm using the nvidea 8500gt but i'll upgrade when the next gen cards come out. i prefer a decent card with grade value than one of those amazing $2000 video cards.
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Nvidia/Intel fanboy here so going to wait a long time then I'll build my i5/GT300 system.
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Well actually that is what you would expect of a chip this size. Or maybe 5%. What you are saying means that only 2% of the chips are flawless. Other ones are having some defects, or the stable clockspeed is under-par, though they perform functions correctly in general. This is where the less well known "die harvesting" comes into play, which is disabling disfunctional parts to produce a functional, lower tier processor. If you look into the lineups of all GPU makers you will see how some parts have more stream processors than others. In fact, all are identical. Die harvesting allows you to recover and use most of everything on the wafer, thus improving yields, actually. Many but not all of AMD's Phenom x3 processors are harvested as well. IBM's CELL that is in the Playstation has one disabled SPE also to improve yields.
Hope this helps clear things out for you a bit. Stay away from that Demerjian bum he is full of shit.
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What is this yields thing? Does the same manufacturing process not produce the same results for each card?
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Nope. If this makes sense to you, a wafer contains the same number of faulty dice/dies(whatever plural you use) regardless of their size
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