• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:25
CEST 21:25
KST 04:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo6Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview Updates to The Core/Core Lite for v5.0.16?
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) GSL CK #4 20-21th June Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Data needed BW General Discussion VPN experiences
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia {D-2} Late to making 20.06.2026 memorable [p]94718
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How To Predict Tilt in Espor…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6864 users

Choose your adventure TvP

Blogs > Monokeros
Post a Reply
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
September 15 2009 16:34 GMT
#1
So I am at a crossroad of confusion in TvP between a harrasment builds or "macro' builds. I am at this crossroad because I am currently getting taught Tvp from two directions. One) Me playing people better than me and Two) Me watching pro's TvP on HBRidge and trying to while not exactly copy (as that is virtually impossible considering my level of play) but 'mimic' their playstyle. The issue I'm having is whenever I play TvP I always have this Grim Reaper/scythe-esque feeling hovering over me that unless I do some damage to the Protoss' eco I' always going to be behind. So when people tell me to 'go macro' which basically involes turtling until you can attack, which to me feels like never. IE I played a TvP where I turtled up to 3base on HBR and I see thetoss just skipping through fields of freedom as he takes th whole map with no resistence. When I finally got sick of seeing the toss waltzing around gaining retarded eco advantage I try and move out and get slapped with a double recall in the face, or a counter into my nat or 3rd. Now on the other side of the coin, when I try for harrasment play I feel like at least I had a chance if I had just macroed properly. I made a stupid ranting blog before aout TvP which was an exaggerated display of my frustrations, but whenever I see a TvP victory on HBR its because the toss does somerhing super risky and the terran capitalizes on it. Then when I play toss they dont ry Rvase arbiters or proxy gateway into reavers (well they used to do the latter but after seeing it so many times I can stp almost al D/D+ toss that attempt it), they simple pressure a little with goons, sit back if I"vealready turtled up and proceed to expand. Timing pushes on HBRidge are extremely difficult to perform also with tthe akward ramps, and the long distances to bases. Then that brings me back in full circle to expoing when the toss expoes. In which doing so I feel incredibly pressured to do some kind of damage to the Protoss because I feel like I'm giving the game away.

*
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Misrah
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1695 Posts
September 15 2009 16:50 GMT
#2
on HBR especially you should easily be able to turtle to 4-5 bases/ terran should be able to take half of the map- because really you only have one choke that protoss can through to your expos. you have a seige wall there, and mine your backdoor- you should have an economic advantage. I don't really have much of an oppinion on TvP but that is what i would try and do, if i was trying a macro build. on HBR the above is exactly what i do in zvp, exept make a lurker field lol
A thread vaguely bashing SC2? SWARM ON, LOW POST COUNT BRETHREN! DEFEND THE GLORIOUS GAME THAT IS OUR LIVELIHOOD
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-15 17:36:39
September 15 2009 17:35 GMT
#3
Don't copy what a pro does unless you know why they're doing it. You'll probably end up wasting resources countering things that the progamer in the match you watched was getting, but that your opponent in the game you're playing is not.

What you want to do generally is combine harass with macro. Progamers don't just build up huge armies. They usually run around with speed vultures planting mines everywhere, harassing probes and making sure they know what the Protoss is doing, then reacting accordingly. Sometimes Terran noobs get lazy and think they don't need to run around with their vultures because they can just scan the Protoss' tech. This isn't true.

PS: Please learn to separate your thoughts into paragraphs.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
September 15 2009 19:15 GMT
#4
Fuck it, after multiple attempts to try and convey my thoughts corectly my phone wontlet me so Im just going to make a nice detailed Strategy forum post when I get home from work. Was a bad idea to use my phone to type all of this ughhaa, Chef I know how to 'space my thoughts' my phone is shitty and I just needed to get al of my words out before i forgot then I shall clear your misunderstandings of my badly written post soon
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 15h 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 798
ByuN 489
WinterStarcraft395
IndyStarCraft 130
UpATreeSC 99
BRAT_OK 80
Railgan 48
RushiSC 24
MindelVK 9
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3355
Soulkey 410
ggaemo 185
actioN 94
Hyun 34
Free 33
scan(afreeca) 31
Pusan 23
Rock 20
Counter-Strike
fl0m10198
byalli614
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu377
Trikslyr51
Other Games
singsing3010
Grubby2626
Beastyqt625
FrodaN523
B2W.Neo363
C9.Mang0206
uThermal146
Mew2King90
XaKoH 70
QueenE49
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream4089
Other Games
gamesdonequick978
StarCraft 2
angryscii 19
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 25
• FirePhoenix12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 1409
• imaqtpie788
• Shiphtur164
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Spring Champion…
15h 36m
GSL
16h 36m
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
23h 36m
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
1d 4h
WardiTV Spring Champion…
1d 15h
GSL
1d 16h
Patches Events
1d 21h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 23h
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Douyu Cup 2020
5 days
Oliveira vs Trap
Jieshi vs XY
soO vs FanTaSy
TY vs Coffee
Douyu Cup 2020
6 days
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Light HT
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.