EPTObama is giving the speech about Health Care tommorow, most likely talking about getting rid of having it be government-run. Obama probably wants to use this to get support from the younger generation who don't understand this as well as other people do, because there's obviously no reason to address the kids of America talking about Harry Potter and Facebook.
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Neos
United States400 Posts
Obama is giving the speech about Health Care tommorow, most likely talking about getting rid of having it be government-run. Obama probably wants to use this to get support from the younger generation who don't understand this as well as other people do, because there's obviously no reason to address the kids of America talking about Harry Potter and Facebook. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
On September 09 2009 13:26 Aegraen wrote: And looking out for the well-being of every kid is the President's job how? Seems to me that's the Parents job.... Remember, the President is a public servant, he serves us the People as our Representative. Not the other way around. I think the president, no matter what his place on the political spectrum should be looking out for the well being of every American, children included. Things like getting an education or preventing sickness are not partisan ideas anyways, they are universal. I disagreed with pretty much most of the things that president Bush pushed while he was in office. However I would still be honored to meet him or to have him tell me that he wanted me to succeed. I remember a few months ago I watched Frost/Nixon and there a scene in there where one of Frost's researchers is like, "Nixon betrayed us, we honored him and he let us down." And now? People openly talk shit about the President and say its not our country anymore. A lot of people said they wanted Bush dead. Where's the respect? | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On September 09 2009 14:01 cgrinker wrote: I think the president, no matter what his place on the political spectrum should be looking out for the well being of every American, children included. Things like getting an education or preventing sickness are not partisan ideas anyways, they are universal. I disagreed with pretty much most of the things that president Bush pushed while he was in office. However I would still be honored to meet him or to have him tell me that he wanted me to succeed. I remember a few months ago I watched Frost/Nixon and there a scene in there where one of Frost's researchers is like, "Nixon betrayed us, we honored him and he let us down." And now? People openly talk shit about the President and say its not our country anymore. A lot of people said they wanted Bush dead. Where's the respect? People have always openly talked "shit" about the President aka disagreeing. Our country has never had a tradition of homogenous respect. You can see this from the foundation of the nation where Aaron Burr killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel, to fights erupting in Congress throughout the 1840s, 50s, 60s, etc. While you disagree with their feelings, we still have a lovely thing called Freedom of Speech. While I understand your position, I feel that the people who do that in today's world just marginalize themselves, so I say let them. No one is going to listen to someone like that. I'm not even going to go into how wrong you are about the function of the Executive Branch according to the US Constitution on which the President/VP take an oath to uphold. If he wants to talk about Educational issues, thats why there is a weekly Presidential radio address, in which you are free to listen or not listen. Forcing kids to listen to the President, is bad any way you go about it. | ||
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shavingcream66
United States1219 Posts
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poor newb
United States1879 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 09 2009 13:39 Aegraen wrote: Where's my EASY button? Who has my damn big red button! Political discourse is healthy. Don't listen to caller.  Aegraen, you are the biggest disruptor of political discourse on this entire website. I wish you would stop posting. You make TeamLiquid a worse community. Holy shit, I just came in my pants when I refreshed and saw his new icon. Caller, if the President took time to speak to your age group when you were in school, you wouldn't have been inspired in any way? I find that difficult to believe. Like you said, there's not really anything controversial or related to politics in the speech. It's just a motivational speech, and I'm sure it's served its purpose. I do a lot of volunteering with kids and I have a feeling in 10-15 years, there's going to be scores of young adults who were particularly motivated by Obama's victory, especially black and from inner cities. | ||
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jonnyp
United States415 Posts
On September 09 2009 16:04 Jibba wrote: Aegraen, you are the biggest disruptor of political discourse on this entire website. I wish you would stop posting. You make TeamLiquid a worse community. Holy shit, I just came in my pants when I refreshed and saw his new icon. Caller, if the President took time to speak to your age group when you were in school, you wouldn't have been inspired in any way? I find that difficult to believe. Like you said, there's not really anything controversial or related to politics in the speech. It's just a motivational speech, and I'm sure it's served its purpose. I do a lot of volunteering with kids and I have a feeling in 10-15 years, there's going to be scores of young adults who were particularly motivated by Obama's victory, especially black and from inner cities. ooh, ninja edit  but what's the point of political discourse if everyone agrees? that's not discourse at all. if nobody gets anything else out of it at least he makes them consider their beliefs and why they think a certain way. i haven't seen him call people names and he's pretty civil in his arguments, uses logic fine. nothing wrong there, just different views from what seems to be the average on TL | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Poll: Obama is .... (Vote): Stalin ? (Vote): Marx ? (Vote): Jesus ? (Vote): Hitler ? (Vote): Zia ? The truth plz. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 09 2009 16:44 jonnyp wrote: ooh, ninja edit but what's the point of political discourse if everyone agrees? that's not discourse at all. if nobody gets anything else out of it at least he makes them consider their beliefs and why they think a certain way. i haven't seen him call people names and he's pretty civil in his arguments, uses logic fine. nothing wrong there, just different views from what seems to be the average on TL He's not civil at all, and he just makes stuff up on the spot or cites garbage ideology from New Republic. What logic are you talking about? When he talks about death panels, or how we live in a fascist society? There's nothing logical in any of that. The government has no role in providing public schools? For a boy who claims to revere FA Hayek so much, I don't believe Aegraen has ever read anything beyond a summary of Serfdom and certainly not CoL. I don't think he's actually read most of the material he cites, because when he's called out on being wrong, he simply starts ignoring those posts. The problem is most people don't know enough to check what he says, but the people who do are so turned off by his posting that was just steer away from anything with his name in it. I would spend hours having real discourse with someone like Savio or Funchucks, but Aegraen isn't worth the effort. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
The other day on the radio there was this lady calling in and saying that as soon as she heard about the speech she marched into the principal's office and demanded she get the right to a rebuttal speech following Obama's address. This sort of reaction pretty much sums the "debate" for me.... How can you KNOW you want to rebut something when you haven't even heard the damn speech? I can see it now - "no kids, DON'T study hard, its what the commies want you to do. We gotta' keep OUR country strong." | ||
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 09 2009 16:04 Jibba wrote: Aegraen, you are the biggest disruptor of political discourse on this entire website. I wish you would stop posting. You make TeamLiquid a worse community. Holy shit, I just came in my pants when I refreshed and saw his new icon. Caller, if the President took time to speak to your age group when you were in school, you wouldn't have been inspired in any way? I find that difficult to believe. Like you said, there's not really anything controversial or related to politics in the speech. It's just a motivational speech, and I'm sure it's served its purpose. I do a lot of volunteering with kids and I have a feeling in 10-15 years, there's going to be scores of young adults who were particularly motivated by Obama's victory, especially black and from inner cities. lol at icon thing If the president spoke to my age group when I was in school, I most likely wouldn't have cared. This is most likely because people have already spoon-fed me that motivation crap for the past like 5 years or w/e. The president isn't even just speaking to my class this time, he's speaking to the United States, as well. So why should I care, when he doesn't even know my name? On the other hand, if the president were to come up to me, and tell me those things, at that time, I most likely would have gotten that motivational boost. But he didn't , did he? I will use the GTO argument again here, because I believe it's the best way to motivate kids to change. Kids listen best to people that they can relate to-I work with many kids, and I've learned that by going to their level (and not taking the "omg im mature mode") that they begin to listen to you there. For the president to speak all high and mighty really just gives me a cynical look on his speech. | ||
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Funnytoss
Taiwan1471 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
On September 10 2009 01:30 Funnytoss wrote: Where do you see the "high and mighty" in this particular speech? the fact that he's giving the speech and people are listening to him if i tried to give a speech to everybody i'd get laughed at and rejected | ||
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Epicfailguy
Norway893 Posts
Its a shame that patriotisme comes in the way of common sense. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
If he really wants to talk to anybody, he can talk to the parents. If anyone actually thinks that this pep talk will change ANYTHING, even if it was given to parents, you are delusional. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
On September 10 2009 05:02 Vedic wrote: The problem with the speech is that it isn't supposed to be your president saying this, it's supposed to be your parents. He's bypassing the parents, and condescending to children who may be doing fine in school. If he really wants to talk to anybody, he can talk to the parents. If anyone actually thinks that this pep talk will change ANYTHING, even if it was given to parents, you are delusional. I would feel a lot more motivated if I'm some poor kid in a ghetto if the president is telling me to stay and school than if my abusive father / drugged up mother told me to "get yo self to a school or we'll beat yo ass'. Like they would say that anyways... | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On September 10 2009 07:41 Superiorwolf wrote: I would feel a lot more motivated if I'm some poor kid in a ghetto if the president is telling me to stay and school than if my abusive father / drugged up mother told me to "get yo self to a school or we'll beat yo ass'. Like they would say that anyways... So your president needs to talk to them and have THEM shape up, so they are fit to raise you to begin with. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66357 Posts
they should just fucking grow up and let the man do his job he's just trying to encourage everyone to do their best (note how he's given examples of his early life) and people are just reading too much into it | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On September 10 2009 01:49 Caller wrote: the fact that he's giving the speech and people are listening to him if i tried to give a speech to everybody i'd get laughed at and rejected You can't be serious. You think the POTUS his acting "high and mighty" due to him giving a speech... | ||
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