On September 09 2009 13:12 fusionsdf wrote: OH MY GOD OBAMA IS GOING TO MAKE AMERICA SOCIALIST + Show Spoiler +
it already is. Socialism works pretty well. Socialism != Communism
Its nice to think that some of his speeches we listen to live will someday be in history books.
lol, as Marx wrote, there is no such thing as "communism" we just know that it is the thing that comes after Socialism. Other thinkers defined communism as being everybody owns everything, but I'm pretty sure Marx criticized them for being wrong. He said that since there hasn't been a communism, nobody knows wtf it looks like. And they still don't, because there has never been any real movement past the idea of Socialism. Germany was militaristically-socialist, the Soviet Union was just totalitarian, Cuba follows pretty much the same lines as the Soviet Union, and China was mostly a cult of personality followed by a Chiang Kai-shek esque pseudo socialist into free market capitalist area. I actually don't criticize communism, because I dunno what it is. I, however, do criticize socialism, for many reasons that I'm not going to discuss in this otherwise civil thread. Mostly because I want to keep this thread civil.
yeah because if someone gets sick they shouldnt count on any help. And if you're working poor without enough to make rent? fuck you! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTTTTEST YEAH
I never understood this arguement. If people want to help the poor, they can, and they do. That is what Charity and Non-profit Organizations do, have done, and will do long into the future. There is no need, nor mandate for Government to ever get involved. What ends up happening is you create a whole class of people dependant on the Government dole-outs, in essence becoming the puppet of the State. Those people will always vote for whoever gives them something, which in order to do so you have to steal from another. The moral arguement is on the side of no Government involvement.
If you feel these people need assistance, then donate your time and money, do not use force and coercion to make everyone do so. Abridgement of fundamental right to keep the fruit of your labor without threat of force or coercion. Government out right steals. America under the Progressive movement has been transformed into the nation we fought to rid ourselves of (Britain). Oh the progress we have made... /sarc.
wtf that dumb bitch had no specific information whatsoever and is clearly doing it just because of her personal political stance. And kthnx fox reporter not even listening to her nonsensically vague answers and just asking questions on her paper so she can get it over with. AND GOSH SHE HAS KIDS?!? holy crap.
why would you rob ur kid the opportunity to claim later in life that "i once sat in a classroom and listened to the first black president talk! even tho i had no fuckclue what was going on, but it was awesome!" If the kid is five he wont remember jack shit anyways. Why rob him/her of the bragging rights/experiance. and its clearly not a decision that she made together with her kid. What the fuck decision is a 5 yr old gonna make.
i have urges to throttle that woman.
(gee lol this sounds more hostile than i meant it to XD)
Edit: left out quote lol and fix bunch of stuff i missed in hurry rant XD damn you TL lurking correction nazis.
to clarify my mind vomit mess: i mean a 5 year old might be able to decide/choose, but when that decision involves a parent, he/she would immediately be swayed because, well mom said so! So it would have went from "oh cool lets go to school and have speech day instead of boring math class" to "mom wont let me go to school because of pol-la-ticks"
On September 09 2009 13:27 AzureEye wrote: I want to read it but it was seriously too long..so TL;DR
can someone summarize the "controversial" parts of his speech please?
I don't see whats so bad about a president telling kids to stay in school and try best in education
controversial parts: none idiots of america: 75% percentage of americans that believe they are smarter than the average american: 75% statistics caller makes up on the spot: 92.5% relevance: anyways
wtf caller? lol , i always loved the % of people that think they are smarter than average (i think that applies to everyone though not just americans)
but yeah, there weren't really any controversial points, but since some parents didn't know what was going to be said and didn't like his politics they apparently kept their children home from school. actually pretty boring if you ask me
and its clearly not a decision that she made together with her kid. What the fuck decision is a 5 yr old gonna make.
so in the first sentence you say the kid didn't have any say in the decision, then you say that the kid can't make decisions? therefore the kid should have been able to decide to go?
wtf that dumb bitch had no specific information whatsoever and is clearly doing it just because of her personal political stance. And kthnx fox reporter not even listening to her nonsensically vague answers and just asking questions on her paper so she can get it over with. AND GOSH SHE HAS KIDS?!? holy crap.
why would you rob ur kid the opportunity to claim later in life that "i once sat in a classroom and listened to the first president talk! even tho i had no fuckclue what was going on, but it was awesome!" If the kid is five he wont remember jack shit anyways. Why rob him/her of the bragging rights/experiance. and its clearly not a decision that she made together with her kid. What the fuck decision is a 5 yr old gonna make.
i have urges to throttle that woman.
(gee lol this sounds more hostile than i meant it to XD)
Edit: left out quote lol
Damn, how old are these kids? Did they get to touch ol' Washingtons wood teeth on the TV screen too?
On September 09 2009 13:23 cgrinker wrote: You know what? The president could call up every kid and tell them to stick their dick in a blender if he wanted to do. Cuz he's the president. Its not partisanship, its looking out for the well being of every kid. Well maybe not the blender thing but you know.
hey man, that's sexist, only 50% of students have dicks
On September 09 2009 13:38 7mk wrote: Haha when I read the thread title I was wondering how long it would take Aegrean to tear it apart. Didn't take long.
Where's my EASY button? Who has my damn big red button!
Political discourse is healthy. Don't listen to caller.
man this kind of shit just makes me so pissed off at half of america god damn it, stop being so ignorant and maybe we can get this country back on track
On September 09 2009 13:40 Superiorwolf wrote: man this kind of shit just makes me so pissed off at half of america god damn it, stop being so ignorant and maybe we can get this country back on track
I liked how the reasoning for that mom about why she didnt want her kid to listen was because "she wanted her daughter to have a choice for her life, not to listen to what the president says to do"
Are Southerns this dumb or do they not realize that president is just trying to encourage them? And plus, you don't have to take his advice, and even if you did, its her daughter thats making the final decision...
On September 09 2009 13:40 Superiorwolf wrote: man this kind of shit just makes me so pissed off at half of america god damn it, stop being so ignorant and maybe we can get this country back on track
On September 09 2009 13:40 Superiorwolf wrote: man this kind of shit just makes me so pissed off at half of america god damn it, stop being so ignorant and maybe we can get this country back on track
EPT
, i always loved the % of people that think they are smarter than average (i think that applies to everyone though not just americans)
