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On September 08 2009 10:21 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2009 10:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On September 08 2009 09:09 micronesia wrote:On September 08 2009 09:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Have you tried having them read, you know, books? Chill. It's obvious this teacher is trying to come up with something new/creative in school and such condescending and foolish comments like that are not appreciated. Dude they aren't gonna read books outside of school these days so why make them read what they are likely to read outside of school? So in education according to Pyrrhuloxia: English class is for reading books. Every day students read books. Creative activities that assist in the pursuit of language arts improvement without using books are not allowed to be explored because students never read books anymore.Your viewpoint is very flawed for so many reasons I don't even want to get into it... If you are not so much saying 'books only' as you are saying 'why manga' then that's a different issue.
Lol because one argument is clearly everything I think about English education. English classes are indeed the epicenters of literary canon formation and I've read a lot of mangas and indeed like them but I've yet to find any that aren't surpassed by at least 500 books (or I guess I will say "works" so that you don't hang up on "books") that are probably of more educational benefit.
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You don't really have a lot of choices as i am sure you are not allowed to use scanlations. Go to your local library( or the one in your school) and ask the librarian. There is usually manga there and the librarian may also read manga (my highschool one did looolll). I am also certain you dont want to go with the mainstream anime/manga because most kids would have already watched/read it on the internet/tv.
Emma: Victorian romance, =] can get them ready for Shakespeare (i hate Shakespeare)
Any "Adachi" creations(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsuru_Adachi), look under series: the newer ones are pretty comical and interesting once you get used to how he illustrates stuff. I wouldn't recommend the older ones though, as they are too "last-generation".
"salad days": composed of many small first love stories. They are usually pretty short.
and... practically every other non-shojo manga I can think of are composed of sex, violence, or unsuitable themes such as gambling/scamming/twisted-ideologies (Liar game[incomplete btw], Deathnote... etc.).
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On September 08 2009 12:38 kiykiy wrote:
You don't really have a lot of choices as i am sure you are not allowed to use scanlations. Go to your local library( or the one in your school) and ask the librarian. There is usually manga there and the librarian may also read manga (my highschool one did looolll). I am also certain you dont want to go with the mainstream anime/manga because most kids would have already watched/read it on the internet/tv.
I assume this is an American grade school so I doubt many of them would be that into anime/manga. Most of them probably don't get that much exposure to it at that age.
And as for finding hard copies of manga, Barnes and Noble has a decently sized manga section. They have a lot of the mainstream ones and a good number of ones of lesser notoriety.
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It might be a bit advanced for that kind of age group but Liar Game is pretty good in terms of teaching logical thinking, with a good plot and characters.
Could be a good segway into game theory/psychology/statistics too haha
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Uh, for 6/7th graders....
Maybe Kimi no Todoke? It's not available in English, as far as I know, but it's a good way to talk about the social lives of students as they get older. Maybe it's a bit early to talk about relationships, but the major theme is about building friendships.
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On September 08 2009 12:42 beefhamburger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2009 12:38 kiykiy wrote:
You don't really have a lot of choices as i am sure you are not allowed to use scanlations. Go to your local library( or the one in your school) and ask the librarian. There is usually manga there and the librarian may also read manga (my highschool one did looolll). I am also certain you dont want to go with the mainstream anime/manga because most kids would have already watched/read it on the internet/tv.
I assume this is an American grade school so I doubt many of them would be that into anime/manga. Most of them probably don't get that much exposure to it at that age. And as for finding hard copies of manga, Barnes and Noble has a decently sized manga section. They have a lot of the mainstream ones and a good number of ones of lesser notoriety.
I actually live in Toronto/Ontario, Canada, if tv still worked the way it used to 7 years ago, there are Tons of animes on TV.(first google result: http://www.animeontv.com/tv.htm).
Also: I would suggest considering showing some ghibli movies. I lent my cousin, an ESL(second language) teacher at a public school, some of the movies and they absolutely loved it.
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full metal alchemist has like 26 episodes of 30mins.
LAIN is also sweet but a little heavier. only <15 episodes too.
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On September 08 2009 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2009 10:21 micronesia wrote:On September 08 2009 10:15 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On September 08 2009 09:09 micronesia wrote:On September 08 2009 09:08 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Have you tried having them read, you know, books? Chill. It's obvious this teacher is trying to come up with something new/creative in school and such condescending and foolish comments like that are not appreciated. Dude they aren't gonna read books outside of school these days so why make them read what they are likely to read outside of school? So in education according to Pyrrhuloxia: English class is for reading books. Every day students read books. Creative activities that assist in the pursuit of language arts improvement without using books are not allowed to be explored because students never read books anymore.Your viewpoint is very flawed for so many reasons I don't even want to get into it... If you are not so much saying 'books only' as you are saying 'why manga' then that's a different issue. Lol because one argument is clearly everything I think about English education. English classes are indeed the epicenters of literary canon formation and I've read a lot of mangas and indeed like them but I've yet to find any that aren't surpassed by at least 500 books (or I guess I will say "works" so that you don't hang up on "books") that are probably of more educational benefit.
Your original statement implied that you believe that only books should be read in class. Excuse me for thinking that this summed up your beliefs...
Again I have no problem with you feeling like the manga may not lend itself to this type of purpose, but you really should find out exactly what the teacher wants to do first. There could be good reasoning.
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On September 08 2009 12:33 konadora wrote:
Welcome to the NHK
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Some of the books in the Phoenix series are amazing, though they might be slightly too mature (violence as a subtheme, questionable morals). Yotsuba and Doraemon are both excellent 'intro' choices for that age, I think.
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Anything by Mitsuru Adachi? H2? Cross-game, whatever
Probably Yostuba would be okay too, I'd look into some shoujos (furuba lol) but most of these have art styles... unappealing to the broader audience (aaand sometimes get sexual)
yup, and Doraemon kicks ass for this purpose. Actually, there is a kickass edition of "Learn English with Doraemon" published in Vietnam rofl (looks something like this)
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Manga has absolutely zero purpose in an English class, where in god's name are you teaching? This is like teaching Harry Potter or a Stephen King book in a general English class. Fine and dandy if it's fiction writing, but it has absolutely no business being taught in English.
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On September 09 2009 04:38 Hawk wrote:
Manga has absolutely zero purpose in an English class, where in god's name are you teaching? This is like teaching Harry Potter or a Stephen King book in a general English class. Fine and dandy if it's fiction writing, but it has absolutely no business being taught in English.
Maybe. I think it depends on the level of his students. If this were 8th grade, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. There might be some deeper elements in the art work, but all you're getting with manga is basic story telling.
I don't know about you, but I didn't get into anything with much depth until 8th grade. I don't remember most of what I read before then, except To Kill a Mockingbird and I know I didn't understand it for anything other than its basic story. I might have ready Redwall and Night then too, but again I don't think I read them as anything deeper than the first level, which manga is fine for.
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6th grade is early enough for teaching to kill a mockingbird beyond the basic story. I know I did Shane in 6th grade. I think we also did To Kill a Mockingbird and Fahrenheit 451. The Island of Doctor Moreau was in there but that sucked. I think we also did Tarzan but that also sucked. 
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On September 09 2009 09:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
The Island of Doctor Moreau was in there but that sucked.
Nah this book is cool >.< ( lol hyena-pig )
And Fahrenheit is awesome too.
Btw i think 6th grade is a bit early for those two books.
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On September 09 2009 09:16 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:6th grade is early enough for teaching to kill a mockingbird beyond the basic story. I know I did Shane in 6th grade. I think we also did To Kill a Mockingbird and Fahrenheit 451. The Island of Doctor Moreau was in there but that sucked. I think we also did Tarzan but that also sucked.
Really? I did Fahrenheit 451 in 9th grade, after doing Aeneid/Macbeth in 8th grade (different schools.)
Obviously there's the component of understanding racism = bad, but the first time I read To Kill a Mockingbird I completely missed most of the themes besides racial injustice, or that the book itself is a bit racist.
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I did a lot of books (Mockingbird, Outsiders, Catcher, etc etc etc) early, but I was still in the smart classes through middle school 
I still think that it makes a hell of a lot more sense to wean kids up towards the classical canon stuff (even if you don't particularly like the canon) because it's higher level stuff, it challenges you to think and will more than likely expand your vocabulary, give you exposure to classical writers and so on. Manga isn't much more than a comic book. Does it have story elements, morals and all that jazz? Yeah. But it's completely limited when compared to a traditional book.
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