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I just found out I have perfect pitch

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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 12:15:21
September 05 2009 00:32 GMT
#1
Holy crap, seriously, 1-2 years ago I was tone-deaf. I couldn't sing a note for crap. In fact, I still can't sing for crap. My relative pitch also sucks ass, even now.

Anyway, a week ago I was humming "yellow" by coldplay and one of my roommates who has perfect pitch commented that I was humming in tune (which was meant to be funny, because I can't sing for crap). Somehow we started talking about perfect pitch and I realized that I never bothered to test if I had it, because I always assumed that I didn't.

So since then, I've been detuning my guitar before sleeping and then tuning it by ear in the morning (using the first D in "yellow" to tune, by singing it in my head). When I first started, I was always off, but I was never off by more than a half-step. Now after about a week of practice, I've gotten fairly consistent. I still tune slightly sharp according to my tuner, but apparently it's close enough to qualify as perfect pitch (it's off by less than half a semitone).


Anyway, this whole thing has blown my fucking mind. I've never considered myself musically talented in any way, especially since I had absolutely zero music training until I was 18 (and even then, it was just me teaching myself guitar for fun). I've always heard that you have to play piano or something from a young age to develop perfect pitch, but apparently that's not true.

Back to reality though, my perfect pitch is extremely broken right now. The way it works for me is that I hear a pitch, and then I think about the first note in "yellow" (or some other song) and then compare the interval between those notes, and finally figure out what the original note was. It literally takes me 30 seconds sometimes to figure out a note, and every once in a while I even get the pitch wrong because my relative pitch sucks. Hopefully, I'll eventually learn a song for every note so I won't have to do all the mental work to figure out pitches.

So far here's the notes that I've memorized
D - (first note in "yellow")
B - (that song from juno, I have no idea why I still know it)
E - ("fuwa fuwa time" from K-On!, please don't judge me)
G - (first note in prechorus of john mayer's "why georgia")


...but yeah, wow, I'm still a bit shocked

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esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
September 05 2009 00:35 GMT
#2
coldplay owns.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 05 2009 00:36 GMT
#3
no idea what you are talking about at all, but the songs are gay!
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Antifate
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States415 Posts
September 05 2009 00:37 GMT
#4
That's pretty epic, I'm jealous. And I'm quite sure that you can't develop perfect pitch. There have studies that report it as being genetic.
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jodogohoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
September 05 2009 00:41 GMT
#5
genetic? lies... you can develop it with hardwork for sure
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 05 2009 00:43 GMT
#6
what you describe is not quite perfect pitch yet
in any case, honestly, perfect pitch is pretty overrated; if one practices an instrument (which hopefully is in tune) long and devotedly enough, eventually your brain will begin to memorize the pitches
at some point, your brain should be able to recall these pitches even when you are away from your instrument...unless you have a decidedly unmusical brain
at least that is how i developed my perfect pitch. now i can even tell what pitch a clap, a voice, or a knock on wood corresponds to
but i do not consider that an inherent gift or even musical talent; it's acquired simply from repetition and (subconscious) brain training.
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uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 00:46:04
September 05 2009 00:45 GMT
#7
Is this really considered perfect pitch? I thought that was when you could name the note almost instantly. Tuning by ear for instruments isn't as impressive as i think it is. If i am wrong about the definition of perfect pitch then sorry, but i don't think this is considered it.

^Oh darn someone beat me to it
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 05 2009 00:46 GMT
#8
I thought perfect pitch was being able to hear any sound and naming it (like f sharp or whatever). Wouldn't this just be singing in tune?
I can always tell if a note is off key, but I can't name which is which.
You can train yourself to have perfect pitch by playing notes on the piano and memorizing them or something, but some people are born with this ability.
Sullifam
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
September 05 2009 00:48 GMT
#9
On September 05 2009 09:43 phosphorylation wrote:
what you describe is not quite perfect pitch yet
in any case, honestly, perfect pitch is pretty overrated; if one practices an instrument (which hopefully is in tune) long and devotedly enough, eventually your brain will begin to memorize the pitches
at some point, your brain should be able to recall these pitches even when you are away from your instrument...unless you have a decidedly unmusical brain
at least that is how i developed my perfect pitch. now i can even tell what pitch a clap, a voice, or a knock on wood corresponds to
but i do not consider that an inherent gift or even musical talent; it's acquired simply from repetition and (subconscious) brain training.


yeah, I agree. It's overrated, but it's definitely a very nice skil to have.

If you're majoring in music or playing an intrument professional it may be useful but otherwise it's kinda like a "stupid human trick" (no offense meant to anyone at all... I wish I had perfect pitch!).
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blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
September 05 2009 00:50 GMT
#10
yeah when i think of perfect pitch i think of one of my friends who can identify pitches in all sorts of random sounds and not only tones produced by instruments or voices
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Pieguy314
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada262 Posts
September 05 2009 00:51 GMT
#11
Actually "perfect pitch" is quite common among piano players. The exams here we have to do something called Ear Training, where they play a chord, cadence, and intervals and you have to name them. There is also melody playback where they play the melody of a song and you have to play it back.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 05 2009 00:56 GMT
#12
i really doubt people are born with this ability
they all had to develop it somehow; some just develop it much faster than others

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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 00:59:57
September 05 2009 00:56 GMT
#13
On September 05 2009 09:46 ghostWriter wrote:
I thought perfect pitch was being able to hear any sound and naming it (like f sharp or whatever). Wouldn't this just be singing in tune?
I can always tell if a note is off key, but I can't name which is which.
You can train yourself to have perfect pitch by playing notes on the piano and memorizing them or something, but some people are born with this ability.


When I say tune my guitar, I mean I can get the pitches exactly right (EADGBE), it's not just in tune to itself. If you are able to do that consistently without hearing any known pitches beforehand, then supposedly you have perfect pitch of some kind (there are various degrees of perfect pitch apparently)

@phosphorylation - can you really name the pitch of a clap or knock on wood? I thought its impossible to do that, since those kinds of things don't really resonate? I have a hard enough time figuring out the pitches of a 2-note harmony, when I hear a clap or knock on wood I don't even hear a pitch at all
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 01:06:59
September 05 2009 01:01 GMT
#14
yep, i can
the difficulty arises from the fact that these sounds usually produce unusual harmonics (which defines the timbre of a note)
plus they usually have very "wide" pitch (for example might produce primarily A but with a little bit of Ab and A#). But I can tell which note is the center pitch usually

and there are many people with better sense of relative/perfect pitch than i am at my college (im double music/bio major)
they can transcribe a four part music passage (maybe 10 bars of music), note by note, almost perfectly after hearing it 3-4 times; i can't quite do that unforunately
needless to say, after dealing with this kind of ear training, figuring out what a single pitch is seems trivial
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 05 2009 01:04 GMT
#15
I thought this thread was gonna be about selling techniques. Then I was thinking, yea maybe some youtube baseball video. Instead I got this crap. sadpanda
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 01:07:35
September 05 2009 01:05 GMT
#16
Some people can even tell what the pitch is, which comes from their tires when they drive on the highway or something.
I can get the pitches perfect too when I tune a string instrument, but I never thought that this was some kind of special talent.
Sullifam
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
September 05 2009 01:07 GMT
#17
This isn't perfect pitch. It's some sort of relative pitch. If you have to compare notes to songs or some other memory aid, it's relative pitch.
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caldo149
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States469 Posts
September 05 2009 01:07 GMT
#18
if it takes you 30 seconds to figure out a pitch then you don't have perfect pitch. perhaps "good" pitch haha
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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
September 05 2009 01:09 GMT
#19
perfect pitch.

time to become famous.
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:09 GMT
#20
On September 05 2009 10:05 ghostWriter wrote:
Some people can even tell what the pitch is, which comes from their tires when they drive on the highway or something.
I can get the pitches perfect too when I tune a string instrument. I never thought that this was some kind of special talent.


If you can tune without using any external tools (a tuner, a piano, etc.) then you have it too. The only way you can tune a string to E, for example, is if you can produce the sound of an E note in your head and know that it is an E.

If you know just 1 note in your head, then you at least have quasi-perfect pitch. You can use that 1 note to figure out any other note, using relative pitch
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 01:10:14
September 05 2009 01:09 GMT
#21
lol agreed with last three posts (before wangsta's i mean)
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:14 GMT
#22
On September 05 2009 10:07 mikeymoo wrote:
This isn't perfect pitch. It's some sort of relative pitch. If you have to compare notes to songs or some other memory aid, it's relative pitch.


I'm not listening to a song for reference though. I think of the song in my head (without listening to anything) and then I can remember the pitch.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 01:17:58
September 05 2009 01:15 GMT
#23
edit: nvm you clarified it. Work on it though because 30 seconds is a lot
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:17 GMT
#24
On September 05 2009 10:07 caldo149 wrote:
if it takes you 30 seconds to figure out a pitch then you don't have perfect pitch. perhaps "good" pitch haha


my understanding is that perfect pitch is just the ability to figure out what a note is, without listening to any known pitches beforehand.

so if you can hear a note, and then figure it out in your head, that's still perfect pitch (albeit poorly developed perfect pitch if it takes you a long time, like it does with me )
mikeymoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada7170 Posts
September 05 2009 01:17 GMT
#25
On September 05 2009 10:14 Wangsta wrote:
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On September 05 2009 10:07 mikeymoo wrote:
This isn't perfect pitch. It's some sort of relative pitch. If you have to compare notes to songs or some other memory aid, it's relative pitch.


I'm not listening to a song for reference though. I think of the song in my head (without listening to anything) and then I can remember the pitch.

Yeah but you don't have perfect pitch for every note. So it's perfect for a few notes and relative for the rest. On top of that, if someone played you a note that was 10 cents off tune, I don't think you'd be able to tell.
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:17 GMT
#26
On September 05 2009 10:15 writer22816 wrote:
Wait, you tuned your guitar using a note for reference and you call that perfect pitch?


No, I don't use a reference note. I think of the reference note in my head (without hearing it)
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 01:20:46
September 05 2009 01:19 GMT
#27
On September 05 2009 10:17 mikeymoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 10:14 Wangsta wrote:
On September 05 2009 10:07 mikeymoo wrote:
This isn't perfect pitch. It's some sort of relative pitch. If you have to compare notes to songs or some other memory aid, it's relative pitch.


I'm not listening to a song for reference though. I think of the song in my head (without listening to anything) and then I can remember the pitch.

Yeah but you don't have perfect pitch for every note. So it's perfect for a few notes and relative for the rest. On top of that, if someone played you a note that was 10 cents off tune, I don't think you'd be able to tell.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch

I'm not an expert on perfect pitch, but from what I've read, as long as you can figure out pitches without external aid, it's still considered some form of perfect pitch

I don't think perfect pitch requires a person to detect small changes in frequency. As long as you recognize a note within a certain range
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 01:21:51
September 05 2009 01:21 GMT
#28
yeah it probably wasn't very wise of you when you said "i just have found i have perfect pitch" when you have a less-than-perfect perfect pitch

people (and i) love to jump at this kind of stuff
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:23 GMT
#29
On September 05 2009 10:21 phosphorylation wrote:
yeah it probably wasn't very wise of you when you said "i just have found i have perfect pitch" when you have a less-than-perfect perfect pitch


AFAIK, there's no such thing as "less-than-perfect" perfect pitch. If you can hear a note and figure out what it is without outside help, you have it. If you can't, you don't

The definition given on wikipedia is
Absolute pitch (AP), or perfect pitch, is the ability to name or reproduce a tone without reference to an external standard.


It doesn't specify anything else.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 05 2009 01:26 GMT
#30
woot you "technically" have perfect pitch!
congrats

actually, i am pretty sure the implication in the wikipedia definition is that you will be able to recall any tone, not just ... one
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miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
September 05 2009 01:34 GMT
#31
The only person I know with "true" perfect pitch has synesthesia, and every note is a colour to her. It follows she can tell you the name of any note played.

What you're describing is pitch through a reference, which has been shown now to be possible to teach. If you're learning it quickly, that's awesome.
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11549 Posts
September 05 2009 01:35 GMT
#32
Perfect pitch isn't musical talent.
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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
September 05 2009 01:37 GMT
#33
pavarotti had perfect pitch

you are destined for greatness

Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:39 GMT
#34
On September 05 2009 10:26 phosphorylation wrote:
woot you "technically" have perfect pitch!
congrats

actually, i am pretty sure the implication in the wikipedia definition is that you will be able to recall any tone, not just ... one


well, after some more reading I think quasi-perfect pitch would be a more accurate description of what I have right now (at least until I can memorize the remaining notes).

its surprisingly difficult to find information on this topic, but it seems like:
quasi-perfect pitch -> one or more notes memorized
perfect pitch -> all notes memorized
absolute perfect pitch -> be able to name the approximate frequency of note

some articles label any of the above as just perfect pitch though, I'm still not sure what the exact definition is
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16971 Posts
September 05 2009 01:42 GMT
#35
On the topic of perfect pitch, something that used to bother me was during orchestra rehearsal when the concertmaster wouldn't tune to a 440 A and the entire orchestra sounded out of tune <_<
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 05 2009 01:45 GMT
#36
On September 05 2009 10:37 Perguvious wrote:
pavarotti had perfect pitch

you are destined for greatness


I apologize if this blog comes off as bragging, but, honestly, give me a break. I'm not trying to give off that impression

I've only played an instrument for 2 years (teaching myself with the internet) and I had no musical training of any kind before that. I also once thought was literally tone-deaf, so this whole thing is big deal for me right now
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
September 05 2009 01:54 GMT
#37
On September 05 2009 10:45 Wangsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 10:37 Perguvious wrote:
pavarotti had perfect pitch

you are destined for greatness


I apologize if this blog comes off as bragging, but, honestly, give me a break. I'm not trying to give off that impression

I've only played an instrument for 2 years (teaching myself with the internet) and I had no musical training of any kind before that. I also once thought was literally tone-deaf, so this whole thing is big deal for me right now


sorry if I "offended" you or something

I was just joking, come on :D
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 02:02:10
September 05 2009 02:00 GMT
#38
On September 05 2009 10:54 Perguvious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 10:45 Wangsta wrote:
On September 05 2009 10:37 Perguvious wrote:
pavarotti had perfect pitch

you are destined for greatness


I apologize if this blog comes off as bragging, but, honestly, give me a break. I'm not trying to give off that impression

I've only played an instrument for 2 years (teaching myself with the internet) and I had no musical training of any kind before that. I also once thought was literally tone-deaf, so this whole thing is big deal for me right now


sorry if I "offended" you or something

I was just joking, come on :D


edit: I just realized pavarotti was a singer, nvm whatever I said about your comment lol
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
September 05 2009 02:03 GMT
#39
On September 05 2009 10:42 Empyrean wrote:
On the topic of perfect pitch, something that used to bother me was during orchestra rehearsal when the concertmaster wouldn't tune to a 440 A and the entire orchestra sounded out of tune <_<


oh my god. This kind of thing bothered me so much. That's why I always tune to a tuner when possible.

I can play a D in my head, but I have to go up the scale to figure out what the other notes sound like =/
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11549 Posts
September 05 2009 02:03 GMT
#40
On September 05 2009 11:00 Wangsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 10:54 Perguvious wrote:
On September 05 2009 10:45 Wangsta wrote:
On September 05 2009 10:37 Perguvious wrote:
pavarotti had perfect pitch

you are destined for greatness


I apologize if this blog comes off as bragging, but, honestly, give me a break. I'm not trying to give off that impression

I've only played an instrument for 2 years (teaching myself with the internet) and I had no musical training of any kind before that. I also once thought was literally tone-deaf, so this whole thing is big deal for me right now


sorry if I "offended" you or something

I was just joking, come on :D


edit: I just realized pavarotti was a singer, nvm whatever I said about your comment lol

. . .
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 02:05 GMT
#41
YESSSS

I HAVE ACHIEVED IT

THE PERFECT PITCH

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FOR YEARS I HAVE TRAINED MY PITCH SKILLS BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, 2 YEARS AGO I WAS DEAF BLIND AND A PARAPLEGIC. MY FRIEND WHO ALSO HAS THE PERFECT PITCH ONE DAY MADE ME PITCH AND HAS SEEN MY PITCH AND MY PITCH IS ALSO THE PERFECT PITCH. I CAN PITCH IN THIS DIRECTION AND THAT DIRECTION. I AM CLEARLY VERY TALENTED AND YOU MUST ALL BOW BEFORE ME BECAUSE I HAVE THE PERFECT PITCH AND I NEED A BLOG POST TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT. WHAZZAAA


THAT LAST 'A' WAS A G
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11549 Posts
September 05 2009 02:08 GMT
#42
Throw me a curve ball
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 05 2009 02:20 GMT
#43
lmao
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 02:20 GMT
#44
On September 05 2009 11:08 FragKrag wrote:
Throw me a curve ball

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Oh wait that's not what you meant...
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 05 2009 02:38 GMT
#45
if you can tune to the exact cent representation (equal tempered) then that is pretty damn impressive. if you can tune to around about the right semitone, that is less impressive but still a nice skill to have.

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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
September 05 2009 02:38 GMT
#46
You have relative pitch, meaning that you can tell the note based on a comparison. This is common, and can be learned. Absolute (perfect) pitch is being able to name a note upon simply hearing it, with no reference at all. Your brain just knows intrinsically what 440hz sounds like, and therefore you always can identify an A.
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
September 05 2009 02:51 GMT
#47
too bad you waste your talent listening to coldplay.

try frank zappa or king crimson
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
September 05 2009 02:54 GMT
#48
This could be a plot for a manga in Japan and you could have superpowers based on being able to analzye the pitch of someones Oh I dont know where I'm going with this.
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maga33
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States247 Posts
September 05 2009 02:55 GMT
#49
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch

There are a couple of requirements. They say that you cant have any external references too...
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simfarm
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Ireland75 Posts
September 05 2009 03:06 GMT
#50
I have this too. I can always hear most notes in my head and then use them to compare with other notes that I'm exposed to. It takes me awhile to figure it out.

Congrats man!
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
September 05 2009 03:27 GMT
#51
On September 05 2009 10:09 Wangsta wrote:
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On September 05 2009 10:05 ghostWriter wrote:
Some people can even tell what the pitch is, which comes from their tires when they drive on the highway or something.
I can get the pitches perfect too when I tune a string instrument. I never thought that this was some kind of special talent.


If you can tune without using any external tools (a tuner, a piano, etc.) then you have it too. The only way you can tune a string to E, for example, is if you can produce the sound of an E note in your head and know that it is an E.

If you know just 1 note in your head, then you at least have quasi-perfect pitch. You can use that 1 note to figure out any other note, using relative pitch


umm you realise any decent guitar/bass player can tune without external tools right? you just play an E or whatever on another string and then adjust the other string until they match...

im pretty skeptical of perfect pitch anyway, when I mess around with my bass just playing random shit trying to come wiht with a cool bass line or something and im playing random notes ill play a note without looking at the fretboard and be like wow that was an E etc.. "perfect pitch" can just come from enough practice imo...
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
September 05 2009 03:35 GMT
#52
I didn't know that that was considered to be perfect pitch... most of my friends who are experienced piano players can "figure out" pitches... I've always considered perfect pitch to be able to name a note on the fly, without comparing it to something else.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 03:50 GMT
#53
On September 05 2009 11:54 Monokeros wrote:
This could be a plot for a manga in Japan and you could have superpowers based on being able to analzye the pitch of someones Oh I dont know where I'm going with this.

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Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-06 01:15:50
September 05 2009 04:02 GMT
#54
- if u can speak a tonal language (i.e. mandarine, cantonese, and to a lesser degree vietnamese) ur likelihood of having perfect pitch is 9 times greater than if you speak a non-tonal language (e.g English) - in other words language itself can be enough training for perfect pitch (if learned early enough)
but yeah training in music helps too : )

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172202.htm
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 04:16:18
September 05 2009 04:15 GMT
#55
fanaticist probably thinks hes the funniest and cleverest guy in the world..
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 04:35 GMT
#56
On September 05 2009 13:15 phosphorylation wrote:
fanaticist probably thinks hes the funniest and cleverest guy in the world..

You probably think you have me all figured out. You probably also think that after reading a few posts of mine on a website, you have a great deal of insight in my life. This is a very naive belief and I hope that you reform it, or that at least it does not seep into your life in person, because it is one of the defining traits of an idiot - someone who thinks they are smarter or more insightful than they really are.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 04:38:07
September 05 2009 04:37 GMT
#57
I just respond to what you post on this website (which usually seems like bunch of rubbish to me) -- nothing more and nothing less. I cannot claim to have you figured out. It seems like YOU are the one making the assumptions, labeling me an idiot and claiming that I am really less smart than I think I am.
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Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
September 05 2009 04:39 GMT
#58
On September 05 2009 13:37 phosphorylation wrote:
I just respond to what you post on this website (which usually seems like bunch of rubbish to me) -- nothing more and nothing less. I cannot claim to have you figured out. It seems like YOU are the one making the assumptions, labeling me an idiot and claiming that I am really less smart than I think I am.


I think I am quite confused D:
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 04:46:56
September 05 2009 04:45 GMT
#59
On September 05 2009 12:27 lazz wrote:
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On September 05 2009 10:09 Wangsta wrote:
On September 05 2009 10:05 ghostWriter wrote:
Some people can even tell what the pitch is, which comes from their tires when they drive on the highway or something.
I can get the pitches perfect too when I tune a string instrument. I never thought that this was some kind of special talent.


If you can tune without using any external tools (a tuner, a piano, etc.) then you have it too. The only way you can tune a string to E, for example, is if you can produce the sound of an E note in your head and know that it is an E.

If you know just 1 note in your head, then you at least have quasi-perfect pitch. You can use that 1 note to figure out any other note, using relative pitch


umm you realise any decent guitar/bass player can tune without external tools right? you just play an E or whatever on another string and then adjust the other string until they match...

That's being in tune with each other, but if none of the strings are in concert pitch to begin with then you won't get shit tuned properly.

On September 05 2009 09:56 Wangsta wrote:
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On September 05 2009 09:46 ghostWriter wrote:
I thought perfect pitch was being able to hear any sound and naming it (like f sharp or whatever). Wouldn't this just be singing in tune?
I can always tell if a note is off key, but I can't name which is which.
You can train yourself to have perfect pitch by playing notes on the piano and memorizing them or something, but some people are born with this ability.


When I say tune my guitar, I mean I can get the pitches exactly right (EADGBE), it's not just in tune to itself.

????
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 04:50:41
September 05 2009 04:50 GMT
#60
For the OP to acquire actual perfect pitch, he needs to gain similar familiarity with every other note in the equal temperament as he has with the D. With a very thorough familiarity, even differences in timbre (E on a guitar opposed to the same note on a piano) will not throw him off. Eventually, with enough familiarity, he will be able to tell the pitch of a clap or someone talking.
Hypothetically, at least.
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
September 05 2009 05:03 GMT
#61
On September 05 2009 09:41 jodogohoo wrote:
genetic? lies... you can develop it with hardwork for sure

People can develop relative pitch so well that it can be consider as useful as perfect pitch, but real perfect pitch is genetic, although people who do have it do have to be trained to utilize it. For example a kid with perfect pitch probably won't realize it until they've been playing an instrument for a few years and have studied at least some basic theory.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 05:05:36
September 05 2009 05:05 GMT
#62
i have perfect pitch (see my other posts in the thread) and i know i did not have it until only about 6-7 years ago -- whereas i started playing the piano probably 11 years ago
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 05:19 GMT
#63
On September 05 2009 13:37 phosphorylation wrote:
I just respond to what you post on this website (which usually seems like bunch of rubbish to me) -- nothing more and nothing less. I cannot claim to have you figured out. It seems like YOU are the one making the assumptions, labeling me an idiot and claiming that I am really less smart than I think I am.

You must be either a very persistent troll or a very very stupid person, because if you think that "fanatacist probably thinks he is very clever and very funny" is not a personality judgment, then you are indeed retarded. I made no assumptions. I reacted to your judgments.
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 05:39:12
September 05 2009 05:28 GMT
#64
and you take things way too literally...and disappoint me
i thought someone who exudes (or tries to) such chill attitude -- and you do, in your blogs and posts -- would not get so inflamed so easily about my jibes

my original statement was just my way of expressing that your random thread hijack was very unfunny and entirely not worth it

edit: and let's just drop it
it seems like we have similar likes in starcraft, soccer, and snowsports
i am sure we will get along just fine irl
there is no need to keep such an infantile, pointless grudge against me and vice versa
and when i next see a post of yours that is not to my liking (and i do, often), i will just try to ignore it, ok?
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 05:36 GMT
#65
There is literally no other way to take what you have said, be it either a troll or honest. The way I act in real life is obviously different because the way I am treated in real life is different - there isn't some random dick out there who is judging me without knowing me, and if there is then it's easy to just walk away. Online it's easier to get a little fight going because I'm bored and I don't care, and it just helps me get my carrier icon that much quicker, because you know that's all I care about right now.

My original responses was a way of expressing the fact that you choose to see the negative things about me through a personality fault on your part as well as the negative outlook you have on me, which is common to people on TeamLiquid because I am largely a dick. Really I don't care that much, but given that I have time and a fair share of apathy, I may as well counter what you say logically to protect my e-penis. Understand?
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Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
September 05 2009 06:10 GMT
#66
^ Looks like you stopped him! *high five*
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 05 2009 06:14 GMT
#67
life is so simple right? go get baked more
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 05 2009 08:25 GMT
#68
On September 05 2009 13:02 Physician wrote:
- if u can speak a tonal language (i.e. mandarine, cantonese, vietnamese) ur likely hood of having perfect pitch is 9 times greater than if you speak a non-tonal language (e.g English) - in other words language itself can be enough training for perfect pitch (if learned early enough)
but yeah training in music helps too : )

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090519172202.htm


wow thats really interesting, thanks physician

wish i had of known this earlier lol
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 05 2009 08:35 GMT
#69
that speaking a tonal language increases the likelihood of having perfect pitch by 9 times supports my claim that perfect pitch is developed, not "genetic"
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JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 05 2009 08:38 GMT
#70
maybe its genetic in the sense that some people find it much easier to learn?
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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
September 05 2009 08:41 GMT
#71
i won't deny that
but some people seem to believe that some people are just "born" with it, and those without the gift, can't develop it
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
September 05 2009 10:34 GMT
#72
On September 05 2009 17:38 JohnColtrane wrote:
maybe its genetic in the sense that some people find it much easier to learn?


My twin brother can do it easy as shit and I find it hard as fuck.
He has perfect pitch, I have a better success rate guessing which note was played than actually trying to tell the difference.

Genetics yeah gogo
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BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
September 05 2009 11:06 GMT
#73
I'm so jealous. I only know b flat of the top of my head, and that's because I played a piano piece that started with that like a thousand times.

Good for you.
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-05 13:35:49
September 05 2009 13:35 GMT
#74
Hold up

First D in yellow?


Its a D sharp
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
September 05 2009 13:47 GMT
#75
On September 05 2009 19:34 Loanshark wrote:
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On September 05 2009 17:38 JohnColtrane wrote:
maybe its genetic in the sense that some people find it much easier to learn?


My twin brother can do it easy as shit and I find it hard as fuck.
He has perfect pitch, I have a better success rate guessing which note was played than actually trying to tell the difference.

Genetics yeah gogo


maybe he got all the good genes and whatever was left over you got
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
September 05 2009 15:19 GMT
#76
On September 05 2009 22:35 Fen wrote:
Hold up

First D in yellow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMgP_R4gYnU

Its a D sharp

R-r-r-raped!
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-17 08:02:17
September 17 2009 07:57 GMT
#77
On September 06 2009 00:19 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2009 22:35 Fen wrote:
Hold up

First D in yellow?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMgP_R4gYnU

Its a D sharp

R-r-r-raped!


how? he goes D then D# (the "look" in "look AT the stars" is flatter)

I guess you could argue that the D is closer to a C# (its kind of in the middle now that I listen to it again), but I memorized it as a D so it works fine
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-17 09:15:23
September 17 2009 08:56 GMT
#78
lol this thread just got good

the whole song is in B major. In this scale, a D will not occur very often, if at all, especially for a such lame band like coldplay.

the very first note i hear (played with acoustic guitar) is a very clear D#.

In defense, you claim that you were referring to when he starts singing. The "look" in "look at the stars" is sang very fleetingly (slurred and quickly). I really doubt you can use this for what you describe in the OP. But let's say you can. Even then, it goes C# (look) D# (at) C# (the) stars (D#).
Since he slurs the "look" so much, more accurately, it can be described as: "(C-C#-D quickly) (look) D# (at) C# (the) D# (stars)
But, C# is definitely the most prominent note of "look," which by itself is very fleeting indeed. Then, extracting the "D" from it would be a near impossible and rather foolish venture. I am 99% sure that you are off by at least a semitone.

Might want to retune that guitar, friend

edit: i'd think it would wise to seek the hallowed "D" elsewhere. may i suggest the beethoven's 9th symphony

for the first time, i agree with fana
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
September 17 2009 09:15 GMT
#79
Back to reality though, my perfect pitch is extremely broken right now.


That pretty much summarizes how much sense this post makes. I read it a couple times to try and understand it but how can something so 'perfect' be 'broken'.

But uh, grats I guess?
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Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 17 2009 10:10 GMT
#80
On September 17 2009 17:56 phosphorylation wrote:
lol this thread just got good

the whole song is in B major. In this scale, a D will not occur very often, if at all, especially for a such lame band like coldplay.

the very first note i hear (played with acoustic guitar) is a very clear D#.

In defense, you claim that you were referring to when he starts singing. The "look" in "look at the stars" is sang very fleetingly (slurred and quickly). I really doubt you can use this for what you describe in the OP. But let's say you can. Even then, it goes C# (look) D# (at) C# (the) stars (D#).
Since he slurs the "look" so much, more accurately, it can be described as: "(C-C#-D quickly) (look) D# (at) C# (the) D# (stars)
But, C# is definitely the most prominent note of "look," which by itself is very fleeting indeed. Then, extracting the "D" from it would be a near impossible and rather foolish venture. I am 99% sure that you are off by at least a semitone.

Might want to retune that guitar, friend

edit: i'd think it would wise to seek the hallowed "D" elsewhere. may i suggest the beethoven's 9th symphony

for the first time, i agree with fana


you're probably right, because I can't clearly hear the note when he says "look," but it really doesn't matter. like I said, I memorized it as a D rising to a D# and because of that it works fine for me. when I think of the song in my head, slowed down, its a usable reference.

and thanks for the retuning suggestion, but I check my tuning periodically with an electric tuner and it's been perfectly fine
Wangsta
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States776 Posts
September 17 2009 10:15 GMT
#81
On September 17 2009 18:15 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +
Back to reality though, my perfect pitch is extremely broken right now.


That pretty much summarizes how much sense this post makes. I read it a couple times to try and understand it but how can something so 'perfect' be 'broken'.

But uh, grats I guess?


"perfect pitch" doesnt mean that your pitch is perfect... its a term consisting of 2 words, its not an adjective followed by a term.

i dont remember where I posted this (or maybe someone else said it), but even perfect pitch has varying degrees.

theres quasi-perfect pitch where you only have one or a few notes memorized, which you use to reference other notes. theres conventional perfect pitch where you can recognize every note. and theres supposedly some degree of perfect pitch where the person can determine the exactly frequency of a note within some degree of accuracy.
phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-17 10:47:05
September 17 2009 10:44 GMT
#82
On September 17 2009 19:10 Wangsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 17:56 phosphorylation wrote:
lol this thread just got good

the whole song is in B major. In this scale, a D will not occur very often, if at all, especially for a such lame band like coldplay.

the very first note i hear (played with acoustic guitar) is a very clear D#.

In defense, you claim that you were referring to when he starts singing. The "look" in "look at the stars" is sang very fleetingly (slurred and quickly). I really doubt you can use this for what you describe in the OP. But let's say you can. Even then, it goes C# (look) D# (at) C# (the) stars (D#).
Since he slurs the "look" so much, more accurately, it can be described as: "(C-C#-D quickly) (look) D# (at) C# (the) D# (stars)
But, C# is definitely the most prominent note of "look," which by itself is very fleeting indeed. Then, extracting the "D" from it would be a near impossible and rather foolish venture. I am 99% sure that you are off by at least a semitone.

Might want to retune that guitar, friend

edit: i'd think it would wise to seek the hallowed "D" elsewhere. may i suggest the beethoven's 9th symphony

for the first time, i agree with fana


you're probably right, because I can't clearly hear the note when he says "look," but it really doesn't matter. like I said, I memorized it as a D rising to a D# and because of that it works fine for me. when I think of the song in my head, slowed down, its a usable reference.

and thanks for the retuning suggestion, but I check my tuning periodically with an electric tuner and it's been perfectly fine


problem is: it is not a D rising to a D#.
In any case, it has to be one of the worst songs to extract a "D" from. I just have a hunch that it's because "D" is virtually non-existent in it.
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lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 06:58:40
December 20 2009 06:55 GMT
#83
You have relative pitch. That means you can say out loud what note it is by thinking in your head a reference note that you know for sure and counting to it (note that being able to "play the note / aka replicate the note you hear" does not refer to relative or perfect pitch).

You do not have perfect pitch. Others said it correctly ... perfect pitch is if you are being able to say out loud what note it is immediately without any reference and having to "count to the note from a reference note".

Many people have relative pitch ... I'd say the majority of music players and certainly most if not all music majors in college. Few people have perfect pitch, even long-time musicians.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-20 07:12:47
December 20 2009 07:09 GMT
#84
Perfect pitch can't be trained.

Absolute pitch (AP), widely referred to as perfect pitch, is the ability of a person to identify or recreate a musical note without the benefit of an external reference.


edit: What, bumped thread >_>
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