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NeverGG
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Disclaimer: I love Park Seungjoon, but I don't want to look like him. As part of my on-going struggle with my weight/self-image (I have zero self-confidence in the last six or so months.) and because Lilsusie has also been blogging about this kind of thing I decided to put my diet plan out in the open with the hopes of shamefully motivating myself not to break it or give up. Bluntly put, I hate my body. I've gone to the lengths of covering up the mirror in my room because I can't stand seeing myself in it. Also I get guilt trips after eating unhealthy foods which are far from pleasant. I know there's no way aside from surgery to change my face, but my body is something I *can* work to be more comfortable with. When it starts to become a struggle to even go out in public it kind of feels like the right time to make a change. I am also considering cutting out meat all together because I suffer from emetophobia (fear of vomiting.) and meat always makes me wary. I might be able to save myself quite a lot of stress by eliminating it from my diet. I'm not delusional enough to think that I'm capable of having a body like the Asian girls I'm around every day. After all they are genetically predisposed in a different way to myself and their diet has evolved in a way that doesn't reflect the one from my home country. I am fine with possessing a badunkadunk (sp?) as Susie so wonderfully put it. I'd rather it didn't resemble a certain zerg player's own though. My Stats:Age: 24 Height: 5"11' Current Weight: 83.6kg Goal Weight: 70kg or below. Starting Date: September 1st 2009. Goal Date: Not set. I don't want to try crash dieting. My Food List:This is mainly based upon what is readily available to me in Seoul. Sadly the selection of 'diet' foods here isn't as wide as that of England, but I'm looking for healthy alternatives within Korean cooking. Any suggestions for things to avoid or embrace would be gratefully accepted. 'Yes' Foods:Vegetables (except potatoes.) Fruits (not to excess.) Soy products: Tofu, soy milk. Plain low fat yogurt. Fruit flavored low fat yogurt. Herbs. Eggs. Tuna. Beans, pulses and grains. Cereals (wholewheat only and not to excess.) Wholemeal noodles (rarely.) Water. Green tea. Small amounts of organic fruit juice. Reduced calories/fat dressings (sparingly.) Salads. Soups. 'No' Foods:Take away. Coffee. Soda. Chocolate/candies. Cakes/pastries. Biscuits. Snack foods (like chips.) Ice cream. Ketchup (giving this up will be hard.) White rice. Noodles. Cheese. (*sobs*) All fried foods. Meat (possibly.) Exercise Routine:I'm a bit limited with this because I have a slightly odd bone structure in my chest (nothing predator-esque or anything!) and certain things push down upon my wind pipe making it hard to run for a long period etc. I've started off with getting off the subway one stop earlier after work which adds about 15 minutes brisk walking time to my journey home. I'm not really sure where to go from there considering my job is liable to get a bit more hectic and time consuming. I'm hoping that I don't have to step it up *too* much and that changing my food intake and reducing my portions by using small bowls will do some of the work. 화이팅! Good luck to everyone else in the TL fitness initiative too.
 
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just cook everything from home, i think that would be the best
try and dodge fast-food shops.
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good luck my friend!
You can do it!
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On August 29 2009 14:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
No noodles?! =(
Yeah - actually they're not going to be too hard to give up. They're loaded with salt and other additives here. Plus they only taste good if you mix them with other things.
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Kind of sad to see no noodles or rice while living in an asian country, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
If by 'Herbs" for Yes foods, you mean marijuana, then that's not really a good thing. It will give you munchies.
+ Show Spoiler +lololol jk of course ;D
Good luck Negg!
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On August 29 2009 14:38 GTR wrote:
just cook everything from home, i think that would be the best
try and dodge fast-food shops.
Yeah - I actually do like cooking at home so I'm going to experiment a lot more in our kitchen. I have found that getting off the subway one stop earlier is a route where I can avoid passing any kinds of food shops so I am sticking to that. I luckily don't live too close to any hamburger places like I did a few months ago. I'm burger free for almost three weeks now 
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My wife recently went Vegan. She has been totally into it for about a month and the effect on her weight (which was about 20lbs over) isn't nearly as much as her personality. Its amazing how much what you eat affects how you feel.
Considering she used to eat nothing but white flour, meat, and cheese, and now is 100% vegan, is really wild. Even moreso, she doesnt even eat whiteflour anymore. The one time she ate a "vegan pizza" about 2 weeks in, she said she wanted to cry. She realized how bad all that shit made her feel.
She read 2 books, "The Omnivores Dilema" and "In Defense of Food", that I had bought about 2 years ago, and she pretty much chagned over night. I'm an omnivore, but lean towards organic, and less that 1 serving of meat a day on average.
I really wish you the best, cause I know total lifestyle changes are possible, not just diets. GL GL
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good luck to you! we will always love you no matter what you look like though!
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I have never been overweight so I don't really know getting out of that situation is, but throughout my life I've always had something physically challenging that I enjoyed doing.. In my opinion working out for the sake of working out is kind of a waste of time and might not benefit you much compared to doing something physically challenging because you enjoy it. For example I love biking and when I lived in Copenhagen DK for three months I biked to work every single day, ~11 miles round trip, plus rode to other places just for fun or to do things.. I rode 42 miles round trip to get to a concert, one of the best experiences of my life. So my advice is to make sure you have something intense you do because you enjoy it, I dunno what opportunities there are in KR but there is always something.. I dunno how bad your cardio is limited by the wind pipe thing you talked about but I'm sure you can still do it.
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Wow that's hardcore. When I want to lose weight I just work out like mad and just cut down a slight bit on junk food.
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meat is important for life!
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You have made no mention of alcohol. Do you completely abstain?
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You also want to do 30 minutes of cardio a day, or have a goal of working up to that. Walking is fine. Obviously it will burn calories, but it will also make you feel better mentally which in turn helps maintain discipline. Also, make sure your self-talk about all this is good. Consciously stay positive when you feel the negative emotions creeping in. Make it fun.
It's cliche stuff, but it really helps because its hard to make big habit changes without failing a little bit at first, but the key is to not get too down and keep up with your schedule and goals no matter how you're feeling. Eventually it will get easier as these things become habits.
Good luck!
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Good luck, I know you can do it.
The beginning imo was the hardest but once you get over like the first week, it becomes a habit.
I myself lost like around 15 pounds in two months just off of cardio + healthier diet, with cheat days included :o.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On August 29 2009 15:04 defenestrate wrote:
You have made no mention of alcohol. Do you completely abstain?
I maybe have two or so beers and a couple of shots of soju per month if I go out to dinner with friends. I'm not tee-total, but I don't like drinking and never get drunk. I prefer to spend my money on other things and I don't like the taste much.
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I feel that Strength Training is the best way to burn fat. If you don't want to gain a lot of muscle mass just do about 15-20 minutes of cardio to get your heart rate up then start lifting small weights with lots of reps
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Holy shiiit ur one tall woman how do u except to find a Korean brother who is taller than u . Average Korean height is 176 cm. Btw if u wanna just lose weight while enjoying urself eat rice with boo chin gae the vegetable pancake that has like 100 different veggies
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8/27/2009 10:36:15 PM BrendeL NeverGG how was your day
8/27/2009 10:36:36 PM NeverGG BrendeL i ate a lot of pizza ^^
8/27/2009 10:37:00 PM BrendeL NeverGG your diet's going well, I see
8/27/2009 10:37:08 PM NeverGG BrendeL lol
8/27/2009 10:37:10 PM NeverGG BrendeL um...
n_n
I am on a diet too, and vegetarian as well :D An advantage of not having meat is also the reduction in trans and saturated fats ~ make sure you have enough tofu or nuts to get protein though because it is necessary.
Your Allowed/Disallowed food lists look good, but are you going to be counting calories or anything? Make sure you are getting enough lest you shoot your metabolism and make losing weight harder and harder. You should definitely do some weights training and try for 20-30mins physical activity a day (this reminds me, I have to do this today, too -.-).
I find the diet part easy, as I never really enjoyed eating all that much anyway - going to the gym is such a hastle though -.- Sooo boring working out and even though you feel good after it I still don't get how people can motivate themselves enough to enjoy going.
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A couple of years ago I felt the same, rock bottom self confidence, severely obese and hated my life, I started to make a very slow changes, I won't go in depth but more info in my two fitness blogs. As I started to lose a bit of weight, started feeling healthy and started feeling better and happier due to the healthier foods I was eating my self confidence started to grow, and it turned into a very amazing cycle. As my confidence went up so did my motivation and as my motivation went up so did my fitness levels. Rinse and repeat.
On August 29 2009 14:35 NeverGG wrote:I'm not delusional enough to think that I'm capable of having a body like the Asian girls I'm around every day.
At one point of time, I would have been your kindred spirit in this remark, but having gone through it. Sweetheart, you are dead wrong, you can have that body and better.
When I started losing weight, I was 5'6" 98kg.. I am unfortunately still the same height  . But now weigh 70kg, with a nice deal of muscle mass. When I started I also had no delusions of becoming a mens health cover model, the concept wasn't even in my reality, it just wasn't possible, I just wanted to lose the weight. I am now at a point where I am fitter and healthier than the average citizen and I'm only a couple months away from something I once thought was impossible, by the time summer comes around, I will be walking around the beach with a set of sick-pack abs I could be proud of. So don't threat .
Onto some quick tips, I wouldn't by any means cut out meat. Nothing better than lean chicken! But things like Tuna, Salmon, even some shellfish have a ton of protein and are very healthy for you, you also need red meat in moderation to help maintain your levels of zinc, iron and you also do need some low levels of saturated fats to keep your heart healthy.
Drink tons of water and green tea, and coffee isn't even that bad, a couple of cups a day is ok, it's a great stimulant and arguable the best legal fat burner available.
Your yes foods list is great, just consume out of that list 5-6 times a day, small portions with a massive breakfast.
Exercise is important but not vital for initial fat loss, I lost about 8-12kg without too much exercise, all I was doing was the same as you, stopping one station earlier on the train and walking home, about 2km, and once maybe twice a week I'd attempt a 2-3km run/walk. First time I ever tried to run, I ran for about 40 seconds and nearly passed out. I can now comfortably go for 40 minutes. So any health issues you think you may have now, a great possibility that the problems will solve themselves as you get healthier.
I would incorporate body weight exercises, things like pushups, or knee pushups if you can't do full ones, body weight squats, find a bench or something and do dips, because even though you can lose the weight without too much exercise, it's the exercise that releases those hormones into your body making you feel relaxed, happier and eventually filled with confidence.
Bah! I started rambling on again..
Good luck!
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If anything, Energies is a true inspiration. For real. <3
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well my friend uses a diet when he has a "protien-day" than "fruit-day" than "vegetable-day", "meat-day" and so on, he's even allowed to eat icecream-cackes in one of the days. He lost like 15kg and he's at the half of the diet. (he was sg like 105)
Though i think diets are quite useless, as far as i saw if the person began to eat as he used to after the diet he quickly regained his fat. And if one eats strictly than jogging will solve the thing.
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Energies is right, all it takes is a little motivation and you can achieve your goal and even more if you keep at it.
5'11 is pretty tall (at least for us asians lol) and since you are a girl, you don't really need to lose a lot of weight to get into the 'average' range.
Just be willing to eat right, as well as work out. Fat will just be fat if it's just sitting there.
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Energies, you are the fucking man.
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NeverGG just so you know you don't have to run a lot to lose weight, it's all about sweating and burning fat. If you just walk fast for an hour every day that's great.
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Id die without coffee 
Also, Girls can (and should) do weights aswell, it can work wonders for you. Somethingawful.com actually has a great section on weight loss/muscle gain/before/after photos for motivation. Start taking photos of yourself too for comparison later since that works as a great motivator, you dont have to show them to anyone or anything, but im sure it will help down the line when someone gives you a birthday chocolate cake!
Still, good luck!
Edit: You mention you have a stressful job, there is nothing better than after a day of stress than just blitzing out in the gym on a cardio machine to your favourite music, or swimming, whatever floats your boat.
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I don't know whether it has been mentioned yet, but by excluding meat from your diet, you might get problems with the content of iron in your blood, especially since you're a woman. Over the past few months, my GF felt tired and feeble all the time. She very seldomly eats red meat and a recent test revealed her level of iron to be around 50 instead of the normal 200. Now that her iron level's gone up, she's doing a lot better. Maybe you should keep this in mind if you're not doing well.
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Yeah definitely look for sources of iron - red kidney beans come instantly to mind - as a female. It's really not a problem for guys.
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i would recommend:
sleep regularly
sleep enough
eat regularly
this really helps losing weight
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pix or it didn't happen. What you look like now?
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might i suggest spinach? spinach is possibly the best vegetable you can eat, it has 0 fat, carbs and sugar and has a host of important vitamins and minerals.
also stuff like beans, mushrooms and broccoli (i know, it tastes shit) is really good for your insides and outsides.
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Don't just avoid meat. It's all about the balance and routine.
And remember that you need to find the right body index.
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I have always wondered why women gain weight so easily >.>
I mean i'm barely make any sports nowadays, i don't pay attention to what i eat and i'm still around 70Kg / 1m80 with almost no fat.
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On August 29 2009 18:43 Boblion wrote:
I have always wondered why women gain weight so easily >.>
I mean i'm barely make any sports nowadays, i don't pay attention to what i eat and i'm still around 70Kg / 1m80 with almost no fat.
It's called metabolism. Some people are blessed (or cursed?) with fast metabolism. They eat a whole pizza and don't gain weigh and other people drink a cup of water and gain excess kilograms.
Anyway, I just wanted to add one thing. Once in a while treat yourself to your favourite food not to discourage yourself from the diet. 1-2 pizzas or a bar of chocolate a month wont hurt you at all and it will keep your morale high for the next workouts.
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wow youre way taller than i expected. cool
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Good luck with your diet. It must really suck actually living in Korea. I got self-conscious as fuck there even just visiting for two and a half weeks. X_X
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diets are stupid, try to eat food with unsaturated fatty acids and do sports.. if you spend more energy than you gain then you lose weight. its as easy as that..
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On August 29 2009 16:27 clazziquai wrote:
If anything, Energies is a true inspiration. For real. <3
Word.
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While I support the old tuck and roll out of a car when someone's pulling you up to a fast food joint, I don't support giving up meat entirely. Granted I have a high metabolism, I eat meat constantly and am still in very athletic shape. Meat is good to keep in your diet, as long as you do it intelligently. Extra lean meats are very healthy, and always avoid fried foods.
Good luck on your quest to lose weight. It's tough, but if you're motivated you can do it. When you feel better about yourself and the way you look, you will become happier in every aspect of your life. Comfort in your body > Everything.
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On August 29 2009 20:07 Starparty wrote:wow youre way taller than i expected. cool
This is exactly what I thought when I saw that. You must be an absolute giant in korea. Not a bad thing!
I am going to stereotype for a second and mention that my girlfriend is English as well, and the English seem to have a fear of exercise.
I've finally gotten her into running (just a few times a week) and it's really, really helped her keep the weight down and feel good about herself. Despite the fact that her friends look at her like she's deranged when she leaves the house to run, she keeps at it.
I wouldn't expect anyone to just pick up exercise overnight. It took her nearly a year of constant pushing to get into it. Find someone that runs, and let them goad you into coming with them (as all women seem to be capable of doing, provided the runner is male).
I promise you that it will be the best decision you will ever make.
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Jogging in the morning. Helps alot but takes A LOT of determination. I'm putting it off as we speak. Good luck to you
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Energies: Online life coach and motivation trainer. Listen to this guy, he rocks!
Once I actually decided to change my diet it was surprisingly easy to go through with it, although incredibly expensive (damn healthy food prices). Healthy food is just sooo much better, I won't change back for sure.
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No cakes or pastries?
That is not life.
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The best way to lose weight -- the BEST -- is the tried-and-true tradition of increasing your exercise and eating a normal diet, with enough carbs, proteins, and not much fatty foods. Heck, you can even eat some cake if your calorie count for that day is really low.
Don't cut carbs, don't cut proteins, don't starve yourself. Eat a healthy combination of carbs, proteins, and fats, and add 30 minutes of VIGOROUS exercise (I mean maximum heart beat) every day.
Trust me. I've done it, my friends have done it, and it's really the only way to lose weight safely.
The problem with cut-something-out-diet? The after-effects.
Cutting carbs and whatnot can help you lose weight fast. But what after? Once you stop dieting -- and this is the biggest problem with diets -- you start binging on the foods you missed out on, and the body, seeing so much of it all of a sudden, starts hoarding it all, thinking you're going to starve again.
Exercise = higher metabolism, so less sugar is converted into fat = you have more energy when you're awake = you burn fat just by sitting around.
Good luck and tell us how you do!
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Don't lay off the coffee, it doesn't hurt. When I lost 30 pounds I drank coffee each time before working out as a fat burner and also quite a bit for the rest.
And like many before me have said, the secret is moderation, but not starvation, and exercise. It 's the only way to get in shape and most importantly stay in shape.
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Well your eating habits will probably be the best/hardest thing for you to manage. Someone mentioned earlier that 30 minutes of cardio a day is a pretty solid base for you to work out on. Maybe some very brisk brisk walking around your house. Another thing I like to do is when I workout and what I do pretty much everyday I do stretches. Now there are many stretches you could do and im confident you can search of.
The only problem that I see that you will have, is you mentioned you have no confidence. Well hell you have all of TL that will support you. I know we don't talk that much but if you're trying to better your life. Im on board lol. Keep it up and stay strong Ill have to read more of what everyone else is saying and then ill edit
[edit]ill get back to this..i just seen that you're taller then me..wtf i hate you..lol
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You seem to be mildly over-reacting, Never, as so many women do. Now, I can understand wanting to lose weight, because your current weight to height ratio is a bit high, although I would have never guessed from the 1-2 pictures I've seen you in.
It's unfortunate that every one here has put in their own advice, and some of it is good, while some of it is bad, so you get this convoluted mess of information mixed with support mixed with misinformation. Everyone has the best of intentions but enough people have some really bad advice along with it, which all the "you can do it!"s and "good luck"s won't fix.
My advice is to learn about food. Just from looking at your list of Yes/No foods I can see you have secondhand information that you don't truly understand. You took out soda but left in low fat yogurt (an unhealthy product taken out, while an unhealthy product left in). You took out cheese, but left in Soy products (both relatively high in fat). Why? You'll lose weight on that diet, but it's a toss up as to whether you'll be healthy or not. So my other question would be: why not do both?
Here are the basics to having a good diet, simply from knowing how and what to eat and why:
- The overwhelming majority of products described as "low fat" are unhealthy, because without whatever chemicals they throw in as an alternative to sugar/fat/salt would taste like dog food.
- High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) is poison. Plain and simple. Your body produces more insulin to compensate for how highly refined the sugar is, causing your pancreas to go out sooner (Diabetes). Scientists are up in the air as to how it effects leptin going to the brain, but they're all sure is that it does effect it. Leptin is the protein that regulates how hungry you are, and if you have too little or too much, you're going to get fat. Having too much leptin (one theory is that HFCS causes an overproduction of leptin) is also a sign of early on-set diabetes, as well. Finally, HFCS is empty carbs, which means your body will spend less energy to use it and store it than what you took in from consuming it, causing your fat cells to grow.
- Fat isn't bad for you. You want to lose weight, I know. But fat still isn't bad for you. Saturated fat still isn't terrible, but should be consumed in much lower quantities. You want to avoid unsaturated fat. Do not eat anything with the weird unsaturated fats such as polyunsaturated and monounsaturated.
- Partial Hydrogenation. It's almost as bad as high fructose corn syrup. HFCS will cause diabetes, block leptin, and cause obesity, but partially hydrogenated soybean oil and the like is a more focused chemical. It adds a great flavor to food, but it -will- make you fat. Avoid anything with partial hydrogenation.
- Fruits are good for you, in almost any quantity. The sugars contained in them are less complex than the stuff you'll find in vegetables, but it's a far cry from HFCS. Anti-oxidants, vitamin C, real sugar -- all good for you. Eat fruit like it's the only food left in the world.
- Learn to cook. You didn't mention if you do or not, so I'm just going to toss it in here if you don't. Whether you buy a cookbook, watch shows, look online for recipes, take a class, or whatever -- cooking at home ensures you know what goes in your food (provided you read). I watch Good Eats (from the food network) because it's informative, kind of funny, and available on YouTube.
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good luck, neggy
i know you can do that :D just do it like how you work for your great shots <3
I've looked at your food list and there is something i wanna share
+ Chocolate doesn't make you fat. I'm sure
+ Meat WILL NOT make you fat if you choose the low fat portion (i mean lean meat).
anyway, i think i should also lose some weight T__T
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Thinking about it...I believe your diet is way too strict. More than likely it will result in days of overindulging and binging. If I were you, I would take way smaller steps. Unless you have done this diet before and know you can do it for sure, it's going to be really rough. I have experimented with diets and have some idea of how they work.
I would start off by just cutting the "unnecessary foods". This includes soda/pop, candy, chips, things like that. Food you only eat because they taste good, not because they fill you up. I would start off slow with just that + a light exercise routine. When you can do that successfully for @ least 2-3 weeks, then you can start cutting more things out of your diet and making your exercise routine more vigorous.
Start off slow!
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On August 29 2009 20:07 Starparty wrote:wow youre way taller than i expected. cool
Is it 5"11' or 5'11"?
I find bicycling around is between walking and running, and it's reasonable for commutes of a few miles or less, and it leads to a very active lifestyle.
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Slimming up for ForGG, I see  omg you're so tall! Give me a few of those inches to add to my height T__T Good luck, though!
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On August 29 2009 16:23 Energies wrote:A couple of years ago I felt the same, rock bottom self confidence, severely obese and hated my life, I started to make a very slow changes, I won't go in depth but more info in my two fitness blogs. As I started to lose a bit of weight, started feeling healthy and started feeling better and happier due to the healthier foods I was eating my self confidence started to grow, and it turned into a very amazing cycle. As my confidence went up so did my motivation and as my motivation went up so did my fitness levels. Rinse and repeat. Show nested quote +On August 29 2009 14:35 NeverGG wrote:I'm not delusional enough to think that I'm capable of having a body like the Asian girls I'm around every day. At one point of time, I would have been your kindred spirit in this remark, but having gone through it. Sweetheart, you are dead wrong, you can have that body and better. When I started losing weight, I was 5'6" 98kg.. I am unfortunately still the same height . But now weigh 70kg, with a nice deal of muscle mass. When I started I also had no delusions of becoming a mens health cover model, the concept wasn't even in my reality, it just wasn't possible, I just wanted to lose the weight. I am now at a point where I am fitter and healthier than the average citizen and I'm only a couple months away from something I once thought was impossible, by the time summer comes around, I will be walking around the beach with a set of sick-pack abs I could be proud of. So don't threat . Onto some quick tips, I wouldn't by any means cut out meat. Nothing better than lean chicken! But things like Tuna, Salmon, even some shellfish have a ton of protein and are very healthy for you, you also need red meat in moderation to help maintain your levels of zinc, iron and you also do need some low levels of saturated fats to keep your heart healthy. Drink tons of water and green tea, and coffee isn't even that bad, a couple of cups a day is ok, it's a great stimulant and arguable the best legal fat burner available. Your yes foods list is great, just consume out of that list 5-6 times a day, small portions with a massive breakfast. Exercise is important but not vital for initial fat loss, I lost about 8-12kg without too much exercise, all I was doing was the same as you, stopping one station earlier on the train and walking home, about 2km, and once maybe twice a week I'd attempt a 2-3km run/walk. First time I ever tried to run, I ran for about 40 seconds and nearly passed out. I can now comfortably go for 40 minutes. So any health issues you think you may have now, a great possibility that the problems will solve themselves as you get healthier. I would incorporate body weight exercises, things like pushups, or knee pushups if you can't do full ones, body weight squats, find a bench or something and do dips, because even though you can lose the weight without too much exercise, it's the exercise that releases those hormones into your body making you feel relaxed, happier and eventually filled with confidence. Bah! I started rambling on again.. Good luck!
Sorry it took me so long to get back to writing replies for this. Thank you for all the advice. I'm going to build up gradually because i'm pretty self conscious about working out (even when I have the roof to myself most evenings.) I have gotten myself into the habit of getting off the subway one stop earlier already and it's not a problem at all. I will try to graduate to two stops early within the next couple of weeks (this brings the walk home up to about 20-25 minutes.)
I've found a decent work out video online for beginners which seems simple enough to me so I'm going to try the exercises there a couple of times a week to begin with.
As for the meat issue - it's mainly pork that sets my alarm bells ringing so I'm going to use more chicken and some beef where possible. I need to go and check out how to cook it in interesting and healthy ways and also the prices at E-Mart.
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On August 30 2009 03:29 VorcePA wrote:
You seem to be mildly over-reacting, Never, as so many women do. Now, I can understand wanting to lose weight, because your current weight to height ratio is a bit high, although I would have never guessed from the 1-2 pictures I've seen you in.
It's unfortunate that every one here has put in their own advice, and some of it is good, while some of it is bad, so you get this convoluted mess of information mixed with support mixed with misinformation. Everyone has the best of intentions but enough people have some really bad advice along with it, which all the "you can do it!"s and "good luck"s won't fix.
My advice is to learn about food. Just from looking at your list of Yes/No foods I can see you have secondhand information that you don't truly understand. You took out soda but left in low fat yogurt (an unhealthy product taken out, while an unhealthy product left in). You took out cheese, but left in Soy products (both relatively high in fat). Why? You'll lose weight on that diet, but it's a toss up as to whether you'll be healthy or not. So my other question would be: why not do both?
Here are the basics to having a good diet, simply from knowing how and what to eat and why:
- The overwhelming majority of products described as "low fat" are unhealthy, because without whatever chemicals they throw in as an alternative to sugar/fat/salt would taste like dog food.
- High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) is poison. Plain and simple. Your body produces more insulin to compensate for how highly refined the sugar is, causing your pancreas to go out sooner (Diabetes). Scientists are up in the air as to how it effects leptin going to the brain, but they're all sure is that it does effect it. Leptin is the protein that regulates how hungry you are, and if you have too little or too much, you're going to get fat. Having too much leptin (one theory is that HFCS causes an overproduction of leptin) is also a sign of early on-set diabetes, as well. Finally, HFCS is empty carbs, which means your body will spend less energy to use it and store it than what you took in from consuming it, causing your fat cells to grow.
- Fat isn't bad for you. You want to lose weight, I know. But fat still isn't bad for you. Saturated fat still isn't terrible, but should be consumed in much lower quantities. You want to avoid unsaturated fat. Do not eat anything with the weird unsaturated fats such as polyunsaturated and monounsaturated.
- Partial Hydrogenation. It's almost as bad as high fructose corn syrup. HFCS will cause diabetes, block leptin, and cause obesity, but partially hydrogenated soybean oil and the like is a more focused chemical. It adds a great flavor to food, but it -will- make you fat. Avoid anything with partial hydrogenation.
- Fruits are good for you, in almost any quantity. The sugars contained in them are less complex than the stuff you'll find in vegetables, but it's a far cry from HFCS. Anti-oxidants, vitamin C, real sugar -- all good for you. Eat fruit like it's the only food left in the world.
- Learn to cook. You didn't mention if you do or not, so I'm just going to toss it in here if you don't. Whether you buy a cookbook, watch shows, look online for recipes, take a class, or whatever -- cooking at home ensures you know what goes in your food (provided you read). I watch Good Eats (from the food network) because it's informative, kind of funny, and available on YouTube.
Thank you - I'm going to try and research foods more comprehensively in the future. I am not that knowledgeable so it would be good to know which ones are beneficial to me at this stage in my life.
I can cook, but I'm not that good. I'm going to ask my Mum to send me some of the spices and herbs we cannot get here (if possible.) so I can make my dishes a bit more interesting without having to resort to drowning them in ketchup like I usually do.
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NeverGG
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On August 30 2009 11:34 Saracen wrote:Slimming up for ForGG, I see omg you're so tall! Give me a few of those inches to add to my height T__T Good luck, though!
Hahaha yeah all for him ^_~
I guess I am pretty tall, but there are plenty of men *coughKalcough* who are taller than me here. Also a lot of the girls wear epic heels so some of them are even bigger than me.
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From another thread like two days ago
"Insert generic LOL JULY IS FAT HERE joke, while ignoring the fact that he was a promising baseball player in highschool and is still a promising athlete"
Just because he's moderately overweight doesn't mean he isn't in better shape than you.
Considering you've probably met him i don't see why you would get in on the jokes, although its not like you've ever played baseball with him (he's very good)
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NeverGG
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On August 31 2009 11:29 ghermination wrote:
From another thread like two days ago
"Insert generic LOL JULY IS FAT HERE joke, while ignoring the fact that he was a promising baseball player in highschool and is still a promising athlete"
Just because he's moderately overweight doesn't mean he isn't in better shape than you.
Considering you've probably met him i don't see why you would get in on the jokes, although its not like you've ever played baseball with him (he's very good)
Read the disclaimer - I'm not ripping into Seungjoon - that would be hypocritical of me. I would have used a photo of myself, but I don't have any (and yes I have met the man on several occasions as well as done a photo shoot with him.) I am citing his (according to rumors.) former diet which was similar to mine (aka. noodles and junk food.) and that I am almost equivalent in size to him which is not what I want to look like.
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On August 31 2009 11:22 NeverGG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2009 03:29 VorcePA wrote:
You seem to be mildly over-reacting, Never, as so many women do. Now, I can understand wanting to lose weight, because your current weight to height ratio is a bit high, although I would have never guessed from the 1-2 pictures I've seen you in.
It's unfortunate that every one here has put in their own advice, and some of it is good, while some of it is bad, so you get this convoluted mess of information mixed with support mixed with misinformation. Everyone has the best of intentions but enough people have some really bad advice along with it, which all the "you can do it!"s and "good luck"s won't fix.
My advice is to learn about food. Just from looking at your list of Yes/No foods I can see you have secondhand information that you don't truly understand. You took out soda but left in low fat yogurt (an unhealthy product taken out, while an unhealthy product left in). You took out cheese, but left in Soy products (both relatively high in fat). Why? You'll lose weight on that diet, but it's a toss up as to whether you'll be healthy or not. So my other question would be: why not do both?
Here are the basics to having a good diet, simply from knowing how and what to eat and why:
- The overwhelming majority of products described as "low fat" are unhealthy, because without whatever chemicals they throw in as an alternative to sugar/fat/salt would taste like dog food.
- High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS) is poison. Plain and simple. Your body produces more insulin to compensate for how highly refined the sugar is, causing your pancreas to go out sooner (Diabetes). Scientists are up in the air as to how it effects leptin going to the brain, but they're all sure is that it does effect it. Leptin is the protein that regulates how hungry you are, and if you have too little or too much, you're going to get fat. Having too much leptin (one theory is that HFCS causes an overproduction of leptin) is also a sign of early on-set diabetes, as well. Finally, HFCS is empty carbs, which means your body will spend less energy to use it and store it than what you took in from consuming it, causing your fat cells to grow.
- Fat isn't bad for you. You want to lose weight, I know. But fat still isn't bad for you. Saturated fat still isn't terrible, but should be consumed in much lower quantities. You want to avoid unsaturated fat. Do not eat anything with the weird unsaturated fats such as polyunsaturated and monounsaturated.
- Partial Hydrogenation. It's almost as bad as high fructose corn syrup. HFCS will cause diabetes, block leptin, and cause obesity, but partially hydrogenated soybean oil and the like is a more focused chemical. It adds a great flavor to food, but it -will- make you fat. Avoid anything with partial hydrogenation.
- Fruits are good for you, in almost any quantity. The sugars contained in them are less complex than the stuff you'll find in vegetables, but it's a far cry from HFCS. Anti-oxidants, vitamin C, real sugar -- all good for you. Eat fruit like it's the only food left in the world.
- Learn to cook. You didn't mention if you do or not, so I'm just going to toss it in here if you don't. Whether you buy a cookbook, watch shows, look online for recipes, take a class, or whatever -- cooking at home ensures you know what goes in your food (provided you read). I watch Good Eats (from the food network) because it's informative, kind of funny, and available on YouTube. Thank you - I'm going to try and research foods more comprehensively in the future. I am not that knowledgeable so it would be good to know which ones are beneficial to me at this stage in my life. I can cook, but I'm not that good. I'm going to ask my Mum to send me some of the spices and herbs we cannot get here (if possible.) so I can make my dishes a bit more interesting without having to resort to drowning them in ketchup like I usually do.
O_o I thought spices were to Asia as Hamburgers were to USA.
Garlic is easily the best spice for just about anything. It's also stupidly healthy for you. You're going to have to keep up on your hygiene during the summer months, though, as what you eat == what your sweat smells like. Everything you eat ends up in your bodily fluids. + Show Spoiler [NSFW] +I picked up eating pineapple because it's shown to be the best at improving the flavor of your, well... I'll let you figure it out
You can also make your own chili powder if Korean markets sell dried peppers. <--- One reason why I recommend watching Good Eats if YouTube is available in S.Korea
Don't forget salt! I don't know how fast food is over there, but you should know some things:
1) Salt won't make you fat.
2) It isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I would take monosodium glutamate (MSG) over HFCS any day.
3) You won't put as much salt in your food cooking at home as what goes in a fast food joint. You will not. Those levels are unhealthy, but your food will taste terrible if you try to do what they do. Fast food restaurants use salt as an extremely cheap preservative. You use salt as a flavor additive.
4) Salt is great at absorbing moisture. The more salt you eat, the more water you'll retain, giving you an artificial impression that you're fatter than you should be. Salt is an important part of your diet, but too much and you'll be a walking water balloon.
You can also apply the spice logic to drinks. Cutting out soda, Ocean Spray products, and sweet mixed alcoholic drinks (Pina coladas, Smirnoff Ice, Madori Sours, etc) gets rid of most HFCS. Cutting out candy and you've pretty much eliminated the stuff from your system. That doesn't mean you have to drink tea, milk, and water for the rest your days. Aspartame is one artificial sweetener I will recommend, only because it's shown to have no adverse health effects, provided you don't shoot 500 mg intravenously. This is the typical sweetening ingredient of alternative powdered drinks (Not Hi-C or Kool-Aid). I like them, some people don't, but if you do like them (or if they're available at all), stock up on them. It's seriously about 10,000 parts water to 1 part powder mix, meaning it'll be sweet, and it'll keep you hydrated.
Finally, a non-food tip to making sure your weight stays in check: get your sleep. 7 hours minimum, preferrably 8-8.5 every night. Studies have shown that anything under 6 hours has caused a moderate amount of weight gain. 4 hours or less has been linked to severe obesity as well as other severe problems, including the heart.
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have you tried throwing in fasting? I've done it a couple times for wrestling and thats when my acne disappeared. Here is a site with a more historical explanation of it. I've done this completely correctly with my church before, and according to my experience everything they say here is correct.
Also, I've tried out a lot of weight loss things and this routine has actually worked for me. Theres some eye candy for you, too
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I think you shouldn't worry about the low-fat things they are super gross AND they are just as fattening as the normal good stuff anyway, eat normal yogurt and have normal milk etc! a great breakfast imo is some muesli full of nuts and a chopped up banana with nice warm milk (cold food is disturbing to eat ._.; ), yogurt mixed with muesli makes a nice snack alternative to chips ;p and fruit is really good to snack with. Bananas are full of good things and you should have one everyday. Good idea to find nice healthy recipes is go to the library and borrow some recipe books and scan or type the ones you like ^^: put them in a diary or some other blank book : )
If you cut meat out, you do have to watch your iron levels a bit.. lack of iron can make you feel depressed and down! I think even without eating huge quantities of beans and spinach you should be fine with the iron for the most part (what i eat isn't really perfect, I'm trying to be more healthy too ;p) but taking multivitamin/iron tablets during that time of the month is something you might need to do if you don't eat meat. I always get super depressed and listless from lack of iron at that time anyway... but even just 1 iron tablet fixes that up straight away, so just some advice if you do cut out meat.
I think really good exercise to do, especially if you can't really run or do something that makes you all puffed out, is yoga and pilates they really are actually very hard workouts, and don't make you all puffed out or anything, really improve your strength and flexibility, and work out every part of your body, the first time i went to yoga EVERYTHING hurt even the front of my neck ;; TT
After a couple of lessons you really do feel so much stronger and more alive in your body.
I was super scared of going to them at first because i am shy too, and about as flexible as a brick ~_~; , but it really isn't as intimidating as you expect and not everyone is super gosu at it, nobody makes you feel out of place or hopeless... just tell the instructor it is your first time if they don't ask so they understand the level you are at, sometimes they will need to say "ok neverGG only go up to this section of this stage, and work on getting the strength here" so it is important they know you haven't been before.
doing the extra walking is a good idea too, i dunno if there is a place where you have allot of stairs but i try and walk up and down this super massive steep hill 3x a day all in one go, and that is quite a work out, without puffing me out, especially for my legs, the view at the top is my reward : ) and helps motivate me to do it. Archery is also a good non-competitive solo sport, that improves your arm strength and can be a real endurance thing too. Use a recurve though not a poxy compound.
I try to go at times when i think there won't be people, i used to try and go for the exercise at 1am even ;; but really it isn't as scary as you think it is going to be, nobody pays any attention to you, if they do its just a friendly smile. I am super pale so i can wear pale clothes and kinda become invisible since the clothes make me all washed out and fade into the background :D which helped me get over the nervousness of going when people are around.
But really trust me once you start you don't focus on the people around you, not in a class like yoga or pilates and not dragging yourself up a giant hill, and your self confidence becomes higher and things become easier. Really i think your brain likes to use "but there are going to be people" as an excuse so it can be lazy and not have to do anything ;p
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Wait, what is wrong with ketchup?
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It contains a great deal of high fructose corn syrup mate.
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you mean the 20 calorie fraction of an ounce serving size has a lot of high fructose corn syrup in it? How does ketchup make the list but not mayonaise?
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It just depends on your consumption, I've seen some people drown their food in ketchup before.
Mayonnaise is equally as bad, if you had to dumb it down you could say that ketchup is sugar while mayo is fat. And just purely because it's made of fat means it has about 6 times more calories in the exact same serving size.
While the fat from the mayo means extra calories, high fructose corn syrup really spikes your insulin causing your body to store a lot more fat.
It's a toss up with no benefits from either product, I personally avoid both.
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thedeadhaji
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I definitely concur with the not needing much exercize part. I only have 50 minutes of cycling (aka nothing) in my daily routine as well as like 4-5 sets of body weight exercizes, but by controlling my diet and adjusting it based on my physical activity, it's very feasible to continue to make progress.
Probably goign to increase breakfast size and cut carbs through the daytime as my most recent adjustment.
My snacking consists 100% of vegetables (cucumber/carrots/tomatoes) and nuts.
I have switched canola oil to olive oil when preparing cooked meals, etc. I never ever ever buy something without checking the nutrition facts, etc.
Although I think I'm defecient in some ions b/c for the first time in a whhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiile I cramped while sleeping lol
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post some before pics and progression pics will help your motivation!
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On August 31 2009 21:30 Energies wrote:
It just depends on your consumption, I've seen some people drown their food in ketchup before.
Mayonnaise is equally as bad, if you had to dumb it down you could say that ketchup is sugar while mayo is fat. And just purely because it's made of fat means it has about 6 times more calories in the exact same serving size.
While the fat from the mayo means extra calories, high fructose corn syrup really spikes your insulin causing your body to store a lot more fat.
It's a toss up with no benefits from either product, I personally avoid both.
Actually, mayonnaise is worse. All it is is fat and salt. Not much "good" kinds of fats, either.
Some Ketchup you can find does not contain HFCS, however, as BlackJack correctly stated, there's such a little amount in Ketchup that it's almost negligible. It's not like soda or candy, where soda's ingredient list is carbonated water, HFCS, [rest of ingredients], and candy is HFCS, [rest of ingredients]. It's more like 4th on the list for Ketchup.
What you want to avoid is purchasing too many products like that. You could buy, say, honey mustard at the store, which often times is the fake kind and has HFCS in it, along with some of the cheaper BBQ sauces, teriyaki sauce, jelly, kids cold cereal -- all contain the stuff. With ketchup, that's 6 items in your house that will have HFCS in it. It adds up.
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NeverGG
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On August 31 2009 23:39 VorcePA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 21:30 Energies wrote:
It just depends on your consumption, I've seen some people drown their food in ketchup before.
Mayonnaise is equally as bad, if you had to dumb it down you could say that ketchup is sugar while mayo is fat. And just purely because it's made of fat means it has about 6 times more calories in the exact same serving size.
While the fat from the mayo means extra calories, high fructose corn syrup really spikes your insulin causing your body to store a lot more fat.
It's a toss up with no benefits from either product, I personally avoid both. Actually, mayonnaise is worse. All it is is fat and salt. Not much "good" kinds of fats, either. Some Ketchup you can find does not contain HFCS, however, as BlackJack correctly stated, there's such a little amount in Ketchup that it's almost negligible. It's not like soda or candy, where soda's ingredient list is carbonated water, HFCS, [rest of ingredients], and candy is HFCS, [rest of ingredients]. It's more like 4th on the list for Ketchup. What you want to avoid is purchasing too many products like that. You could buy, say, honey mustard at the store, which often times is the fake kind and has HFCS in it, along with some of the cheaper BBQ sauces, teriyaki sauce, jelly, kids cold cereal -- all contain the stuff. With ketchup, that's 6 items in your house that will have HFCS in it. It adds up.
Yeah I put my mayo bottle into the communal cupboard so hopefully someone will pilfer it asap along with the ketchup. I'm looking into finding healthier alternatives to those condiments using my konglish skills. I also need to find a source of celery for snacking on.
Any ideas of condiments or DIY sauces I can use on salad or tofu etc?
[EDIT]
I'm on day one today - so far consumed a banana and green tea plus a small carton of drinking milk. I feel like poop, but lunch is soon which means chicken salad ^_____^ I am going to buy some little plastic boxes after work to take veggie and fruit snacks to work in. I'm also going to try and stick to a midnight curfew (meaning 7 hours sleep instead of 5-6.) and get up at 7am so I have time to have a decent breakfast of eggs and fruit and possibly cereals etc.
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you put your mayo bottle in a cupboard? Is it unopened or does your fridge have cupboards?
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Just a couple dieting things i've learned over the many times i've done it. Try not to eat close to when you sleep.
One of the hardest things for me is getting rid of the cravings. Your body needs fat. You just have to make it healthy fat. Nuts like pistachios or cashews can really help get rid of cravings i've noticed. Even if you only eat a few and let some time pass. Also chewing sugar free gum helps me some times.
Drink lots of water. Avoid Pop/soda at all costs.
Consuming protein and getting your daily amounts of fiber are also really important because it keeps you fuller, longer.
Also pasta/rice can be pretty bad from a few places i've read. (For losing weight, that is) I don't know how legit that info is. Either way I try to stay away from them.
Also portioning is a big thing. After a while of dieting my body has gotten used to less amounts of food.
I've currently been working out/dieting for about 5 days now. I've lost about 6 pounds which some may say isn't healthy, but i've been running and working out a lot. So I think it's fine.
One last thing is inspiration. For me. I plan on going on a month long trip and I really want to get in good shape. I have about two years to do so. Will take about that long to save up enough money. ):
But good luck to you. I hope you can reach and maintain your goals.
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On September 01 2009 11:10 NeverGG wrote:
Any ideas of condiments or DIY sauces I can use on salad or tofu etc?
You can buy fat free French or Italian salad dressing, it has almost no calories, a bit of salt though, otherwise balsamic vinegar or salsa.
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On September 01 2009 17:24 Energies wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2009 11:10 NeverGG wrote:
Any ideas of condiments or DIY sauces I can use on salad or tofu etc?
You can buy fat free French or Italian salad dressing, it has almost no calories, a bit of salt though, otherwise balsamic vinegar or salsa.
Vinaigrette is also supposed to be a lot healthier for you than say ranch or caesar kinds of dressings.
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On August 31 2009 20:56 BlackJack wrote:
you mean the 20 calorie fraction of an ounce serving size has a lot of high fructose corn syrup in it? How does ketchup make the list but not mayonaise?
Mayo is just egg, oil, vinegar mixed together basically with minor things added for flavour.
Also NeverGG, Feel free to pm me for ideas on what to make if you can make a generalized inventory of what you have in your kitchen.
Also, chicken and fish should be the primary meats you eat on your diet, pork and beef although tasty and delcious (you did mention you are wary of pork however) are much worse for you, and will make the process longer.
I will sit down and do a longer post, but I need abit to gather my thoughts, and figure out some decent recipes to give you
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thedeadhaji
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I take my salads commando.
no dressing.
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On September 01 2009 20:05 thedeadhaji wrote:
I take my salads commando.
no dressing.
That's hardcore man, I respect that. It's a sacrifice akin to Gandhi.
I don't do the salad thing anymore, I just buy a stalk of celery and a bag of carrots and be eating those whenever I am not consuming a real meal.
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NeverGG
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On September 01 2009 17:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 20:56 BlackJack wrote:
you mean the 20 calorie fraction of an ounce serving size has a lot of high fructose corn syrup in it? How does ketchup make the list but not mayonaise? Mayo is just egg, oil, vinegar mixed together basically with minor things added for flavour. Also NeverGG, Feel free to pm me for ideas on what to make if you can make a generalized inventory of what you have in your kitchen. Also, chicken and fish should be the primary meats you eat on your diet, pork and beef although tasty and delcious (you did mention you are wary of pork however) are much worse for you, and will make the process longer. I will sit down and do a longer post, but I need abit to gather my thoughts, and figure out some decent recipes to give you
Thank you - I'll PM you this week My cupboard was just restocked (heathily I hope!)
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On September 01 2009 11:10 NeverGG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2009 23:39 VorcePA wrote:On August 31 2009 21:30 Energies wrote:
It just depends on your consumption, I've seen some people drown their food in ketchup before.
Mayonnaise is equally as bad, if you had to dumb it down you could say that ketchup is sugar while mayo is fat. And just purely because it's made of fat means it has about 6 times more calories in the exact same serving size.
While the fat from the mayo means extra calories, high fructose corn syrup really spikes your insulin causing your body to store a lot more fat.
It's a toss up with no benefits from either product, I personally avoid both. Actually, mayonnaise is worse. All it is is fat and salt. Not much "good" kinds of fats, either. Some Ketchup you can find does not contain HFCS, however, as BlackJack correctly stated, there's such a little amount in Ketchup that it's almost negligible. It's not like soda or candy, where soda's ingredient list is carbonated water, HFCS, [rest of ingredients], and candy is HFCS, [rest of ingredients]. It's more like 4th on the list for Ketchup. What you want to avoid is purchasing too many products like that. You could buy, say, honey mustard at the store, which often times is the fake kind and has HFCS in it, along with some of the cheaper BBQ sauces, teriyaki sauce, jelly, kids cold cereal -- all contain the stuff. With ketchup, that's 6 items in your house that will have HFCS in it. It adds up. Yeah I put my mayo bottle into the communal cupboard so hopefully someone will pilfer it asap along with the ketchup. I'm looking into finding healthier alternatives to those condiments using my konglish skills. I also need to find a source of celery for snacking on. Any ideas of condiments or DIY sauces I can use on salad or tofu etc?
My current favorites for salad dressing are Honey Mustard and Apple Cider vinaigrette. Honey mustard is stupidly easy. It's just 1 part mustard per 1 part honey.
Little known fact: you can't be expected to know this, but honey (at least in America) has to be 100% from the bee, with nothing -- not even water -- added. That said, manufacturers still try to circumvent it. They get away with it by feeding the bees with a HFCS diet. It's cheaper than having them get nectar from plants. This diet changes the consistency of honey from a paste (nectar-fed bees) to a syrup (HFCS fed bees). The result is a less healthy honey, as you may have guessed. Original honey that has bees that aren't fed anything weird like that will have the same consistency as butter. Just the consistency, though. It should have a more dull-greyish color, but it should not be translucent like the syrup-like honey of HFCS-fed bees.
Now, I like sweet things. Fruit, candy, juice, whatever. I prefer sweet over salty stuff. That's why I specifically said apple cider vinaigrette. If you're more in to salty, go for a regular vinaigrette. It's going to still be homemade, and therefor better than anything you could have bought. There's thousands of simple vinaigrette recipes online. Just google it.
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Wow 5'11....
edit: And no ketchup? Its not like a person consumes liters of that stuff everyday anyway, but I guess its more of an extreme.
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NeverGG
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On September 02 2009 11:18 Disregard wrote:Wow 5'11.... edit: And no ketchup? Its not like a person consumes liters of that stuff everyday anyway, but I guess its more of an extreme.
Yeah I'm a giant compared to some people here *coughbackhocough* Actually sometimes my meals looked more like a murder scene. I am okay with cutting it out though because I've resisted the urge to buy a new bottle by running away from the condiments aisle at the market.
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NeverGG
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Just a little update ~ I made a laminated shopping list to take with me when I go shopping so I don't give in to temptation and buy unhealthy foods. The 'yes' list is much bigger than the 'no' list and reminds me that I do have choices despite the somewhat limited selection here.
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Just remember to persevere with whatever plan (I'm sure you'll end up with a good plan no matter what) you come up with and if you're ever feeling down, just sign on to TL or the irc or w/e and you'll recieve all the support and motivation you can get.
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NeverGG
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Just a little bump to say I've so far lost 6kg on changing my diet alone. Plus a bit of added walking (speed walking, because I normally walk at a crazy pace due to long legs.) I also started working out lightly using my weights, but I need to force myself into doing it more often.
I have really sore throat today and I want to try and avoid using sugary cough sweets -_- *looks round for alternative cough cures.*
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Maybe you might find these useful.
http://www.stumptuous.com/
http://stronglifts.com/
I was going to post a few things, but I'm probably not qualified to say anything, since I'm eating as much as I can to gain weight. And it is not working/only working slowly.
GL DD HF
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NeverGG
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On October 19 2009 13:48 Thesecretaznman wrote:Maybe you might find these useful. http://www.stumptuous.com/http://stronglifts.com/I was going to post a few things, but I'm probably not qualified to say anything, since I'm eating as much as I can to gain weight. And it is not working/only working slowly. GL DD HF
Thank you for the links I'm trying to read up as much as possible on portion sizes and foods recently.
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oh man...184 lb? Korean food is generally less fattening than Western food but there are a lot of Korean dishes with meat(beef/pork) too...
Not to mention those irresistable bakeries and sweets =/
But good job so far, I'm trying to shed a few pounds here too
But I don't think understand why you put white rice in the no list...I didn't think it was really fattening?
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No meat?
You need meat to help out with the testosterone levels.
No nuts?
And I'd say you're doing the right thing with the rest. Don't have more than 50g of carbs a day if you're cutting. And get 1g of protein/lb of lean body mass. That way you won't lose any muscle.
Avoid dairy, salty foods, sweets, etc.
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NeverGG
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On October 19 2009 14:54 AzureEye wrote:
oh man...184 lb? Korean food is generally less fattening than Western food but there are a lot of Korean dishes with meat(beef/pork) too...
Not to mention those irresistable bakeries and sweets =/
But good job so far, I'm trying to shed a few pounds here too
But I don't think understand why you put white rice in the no list...I didn't think it was really fattening?
The problem was I wasn't eating Korean food, but in my first year when I lived in a tiny town and food options were limited/it was a pretty depressing time I binged on take away burgers and other stuff. I put white rice on the list because it makes me feel really bloated, it's boring without flavoring and it has become to much of a 'regular' food for me. I want to try more interesting alternatives.
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On October 19 2009 10:06 NeverGG wrote:
I also started working out lightly using my weights, but I need to force myself into doing it more often.
Weights are awesome and really make a difference if done regularly. Try intergrating your weights session with a specific routine you do in a day, I always do mine 1hr after eating my dinner (also means I stop playing poker after that hour!) and ive not missed a session for a while
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On October 19 2009 14:54 AzureEye wrote:
oh man...184 lb? Korean food is generally less fattening than Western food but there are a lot of Korean dishes with meat(beef/pork) too...
Not to mention those irresistable bakeries and sweets =/
But good job so far, I'm trying to shed a few pounds here too
But I don't think understand why you put white rice in the no list...I didn't think it was really fattening?
White rice has a lot of carbs, no? That's what I heard.
If you are going to eat rice though, make rice with HYUN-MI or 콩 (beans)
Good job on the progress though!
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Grats on the weight loss. That plus walking more is enough by itself to get you down to the weight you'd like to be. Exercise the upper body and you'll be able to beat nerdy korean starcraft kids at arm-wrestling. :p
Are we going to get to see pics of you and your improvements? :D
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On October 19 2009 16:43 VorcePA wrote:
Grats on the weight loss. That plus walking more is enough by itself to get you down to the weight you'd like to be. Exercise the upper body and you'll be able to beat nerdy korean starcraft kids at arm-wrestling. :p
Are we going to get to see pics of you and your improvements? :D
Happy birthday.
Also don't try and coax pictures out of neggie, they say if you see her whole face, you turn to stone, she's a modern day Medusa
That's why she became a photographer, its both a power trip and covers one of her eyes at all times.
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On October 19 2009 16:39 Amnesia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2009 14:54 AzureEye wrote:
oh man...184 lb? Korean food is generally less fattening than Western food but there are a lot of Korean dishes with meat(beef/pork) too...
Not to mention those irresistable bakeries and sweets =/
But good job so far, I'm trying to shed a few pounds here too
But I don't think understand why you put white rice in the no list...I didn't think it was really fattening? White rice has a lot of carbs, no? That's what I heard. If you are going to eat rice though, make rice with HYUN-MI or 콩 (beans) Good job on the progress though!
We eat white rice because of the carbs. Depending on your goals/approach, brown rice or even something else entirely (quinoa? haven't gotten a chance to try this stuff yet) might be better. If you want to add muscle mass/gain some lean weight, eating A LOOTTT frequently (white rice with meat and veggies six times a day) might be a good approach. Keep in mind that lean muscle mass will burn fat at rest. Beneficial in the long term, but I'm not sure how effective the total caloric burn from weightlifting+increased muscle mass is compared to cardio only, or any other program.
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