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ero
Profile Joined April 2009
United States66 Posts
August 27 2009 13:15 GMT
#21
On August 27 2009 11:46 EtherealDeath wrote:
Within this bounded interval are some set number of other bounded intervals, which may or may not intersect with other bounded intervals. For example, one possible set of intervals is {[1,100],[2,36],[45,798]}.


If I understand this problem correctly, then in this example the choice of points would be {100, 2, 798}, where the third number (798) could really be anything from 192 to 798.

Is this right?
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
August 27 2009 13:33 GMT
#22
On August 27 2009 21:52 ninjafetus wrote:
Restating the problem more clearly for anyone still confused.

You are given an closed interval [a,b], and some number of closed subintervals S_i = [a_i, b_i].
For each S_i, choose a c_i contained in [a_i, b_i] such that min_{i,j} (c_i, c_j) is maximized.

Wait, that might not be any more clear at all, save for math people who already get it...

In other words, each subinterval gets a point. Choose the points so that the distance between the two closest points is maximized over all possible choices of points.


That was sooooo much clearer, thanks
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
August 27 2009 21:38 GMT
#23
On August 27 2009 18:56 Muirhead wrote:
My argument definitely works. I know a lot of people on this site spurt nonsense solutions to these kinds of questions, but I do actually have a math/IMO background . It's a little complicated, but if you think about it you'll understand it. I am well aware that changing a_1 can change every other a_i.

Alternatively, note that my argument proves that the coordinates of the solution points are rational linear combinations of the coordinates of the endpoints. Furthermore, the argument provides natural bounds on the denominators of the coefficients. Thus, we only need to check a finite number of d as in severedevil's argument.



Hm.. I am sort of seeing how it would be piecewise, but not totally confident on it yet. Will have to think about it some more when I can I suppose.
moriya
Profile Joined March 2009
United States54 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-28 05:34:55
August 28 2009 05:28 GMT
#24
Well, I am not sure if I totally get it but basically that's a smart idea.

One problem could be from the sorting. Have you assumed that the smallest point in the optimum solution must be picked from [a1,b1] so that you can run P for [a2,b2] to [an,bn]? Think about this testing data:[1,10] [1,15] [3,20] [4,5]. The smallest point in the solution is 4 which is picked from [4,5] set. So actually we need do P for n-1 times.

Correct me muirhead if I didnot get you
On August 27 2009 13:49 Muirhead wrote:
I do not know (or believe) that there is a terribly simple formula for the answer.

If I just had to write a computer program to find an exact answer, I would proceed inductively. Suppose that there are n intervals, and that I have a computer program that can find the answer given n-1 intervals.

The computer program (call it P) that solves for n-1 intervals would receive input of the form [a_1,b_1],[a_2,b_2],...,[a_{n-1},b_{n-1}] where the a_i are inputted in nondecreasing order.

Furthermore, suppose the computer program P would give me my answer as a function of a_1, assuming a_1 <= a_2 and that the other a_i and b_i are fixed. The function would be piecewise linear and therefore easy to express.

I claim that, given P, it is easy to construct a similar program which works with an input of n intervals. The new program Q would insert a test value of a_1. Then it would run P on [a_2,b_2],...,[a_n,b_n], spitting out a function of a_2. It would compute the value of a_2 such that the maximum minimum distance spit out by that function is as close to |a_1-a_2| as possible, thus solving the problem for the test value of a_1. Through judicious choices of test values of a_1, the full function of a_1 could be discovered. This is because Q knows the answer it should spit out is a piecewise linear function of a_1 with the number of distinct linear components a bounded function of n.

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