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uglymoose89
United States671 Posts
On August 26 2009 04:01 InToTheWannaB wrote: We need to start a black book like Los Vegas has for cheaters. This is just another example of how people who have hacked once will most likely hack again. | ||
RaGe
Belgium9950 Posts
On September 01 2009 04:03 Foucault wrote: Yeah. Like Manifesto7 said, TL is full of inconsistancies. Testie, TreK and others have hacked in the past but like where to draw the line? I don't have a problem with either of them being here at all, then again they hacked so long ago it hardly even matters anymore. With this kid, all I see is a vague accusation because of a suspicious move in a replay. C'mon, that has to be the easiest way to fuck up someones reputation, considering how many suspicious moves non-hacking people are making every day in Starcraft. There are suspicious moves that somehow make sense. This one doesn't.why the fuck would you move out with all your goons, and then send back 5 directly to your mineral line, leaving the others exposed.. especially when you're expoing. If the other protoss did anything else but shuttleharass WetDream would've died right there. This kid hasn't ever played a game without hacks in the past 5 years. He never stopped. Why would he have stopped now? Oh and he suddenly became better too? The reason every Belgian thinks he's a hacker is not because we have a grudge (eventhough we do, that's not the reason). It's because we know this kid, and we've never seen a game of him where he didn't hack except those few days where the anti- antihack wasn't released yet. | ||
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WetDreaM
Belgium27 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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WetDreaM
Belgium27 Posts
On September 02 2009 20:27 Rekrul wrote: u hack bro just admit it from someone who has achieved so much i can hardly take that serious because i know if you had just watched the reppack you wouldn't say such a thing or maybe your just doing that because your friends with ragenerd | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
On September 01 2009 22:23 RaGe wrote: There are suspicious moves that somehow make sense. This one doesn't.why the fuck would you move out with all your goons, and then send back 5 directly to your mineral line, leaving the others exposed.. especially when you're expoing. If the other protoss did anything else but shuttleharass WetDream would've died right there. This kid hasn't ever played a game without hacks in the past 5 years. He never stopped. Why would he have stopped now? Oh and he suddenly became better too? The reason every Belgian thinks he's a hacker is not because we have a grudge (eventhough we do, that's not the reason). It's because we know this kid, and we've never seen a game of him where he didn't hack except those few days where the anti- antihack wasn't released yet. 3 paragraphs and 3 contradictions haha On September 01 2009 22:23 RaGe wrote: There are suspicious moves that somehow make sense. This one doesn't.why the fuck would you move out with all your goons, and then send back 5 directly to your mineral line, leaving the others exposed.. especially when you're expoing. If the other protoss did anything else but shuttleharass WetDream would've died right there. This kid hasn't ever played a game without hacks in the past 5 years. He never stopped. Why would he have stopped now? Oh and he suddenly became better too? this makes perfect sense. you go for an expand. you remember that you did not protect your workers against reavers. you send 4-5 goons there, what's the problem. in case the opponent attacks you bring the goons back and position them on higher ground, not a very big deal. On September 01 2009 22:23 RaGe wrote: The reason every Belgian thinks he's a hacker is not because we have a grudge (eventhough we do, that's not the reason). haha, good reasoning - "you think we do it based on a grudge??.", "we have grudge.", "it's not because of that.", "believe me" On September 01 2009 22:23 RaGe wrote: It's because we know this kid, and we've never seen a game of him where he didn't hack except those few days where the anti- antihack wasn't released yet. wow how lucky he must be - hack all the time and when it's least expected to be caught turns out he did not hack my point is that it seems very possible this kid was not hacking at all, unless you can prove he was hacking, no point to jump on him here. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
On August 26 2009 17:35 WetDreaM wrote: grow up... this is me http://img139.imageshack.us/i/timenkim.jpg/ ![[image loading]](http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7562/timngrin.jpg) | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
lol | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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WetDreaM
Belgium27 Posts
On September 02 2009 21:54 Foucault wrote: Yeah i don't think wetdream was hacking here at all. This thread is BS pretty much all because rage ( trusted admin ) just decides he has a grudge against someone and can't stand that a player of his country is better than him. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On September 02 2009 22:00 WetDreaM wrote: all because rage ( trusted admin ) just decides he has a grudge against someone and can't stand that a player of his country is better than him. I think they just wanted to have fun otherwise they would have banned you. + you lost the game and i doubt you are better than him. Anyway Aldaren #1 Belgian and it doesn't mean a lot. | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
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WetDreaM
Belgium27 Posts
On September 02 2009 22:32 araav wrote: Wasn't Christian from Belgium too? that guy who took wcg 3rd place xellos/midas year. he was bulgarian | ||
vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
Serious Post: To be honest, I do not care one bit whether this piece of shit is hacking right now or not. I'm down with leniency and everything, I believe that hackers can be welcomed back into the community, provided they have served their time in exile (say, at least a year or so) and have shown remorse. Nobody's perfect, everybody fucks up once in a while - I don't think it's absolutely necessary to hold it against them forever. However, there's a limit to this leniency. There's stealing a bag of candy from a Walmart, and then there's stealing five million dollars from a bank. There's kicking a guy in the shin, and then there's disemboweling a guy with a bowie knife. There's war criminals, and then there's Adolf fuckin' Hitler. This guy, gentlemen, is Adolf fuckin' Hitler. To you, he probably just looks like an angry little man with a funny moustache. To the players in the Belgian community, he looks like Satan himself. We know this guy and we have dealt with him for years. He has always been the cancer that was plaguing our beloved channel. Every time we thought the chemo therapy finally got rid of him, he'd just pop right back up and crush our new found hopes. RaGe's OP was not exaggerated - this guy has been caught at least six times, spread over several years. Six times, getting caught every time, making excuses for himself, constantly running his mouth against his opponents, knowing that he could only beat them by cheating at a casual game. Every time, he came back, acted as if he were a legit player this time around, only to be caught yet again. Not to sound overly dramatic, but this worm is pretty much the archetype of the incorrigible criminal. If this sounds like the sort of person to you that should be forgiven and be let into the community, you're either Mother Theresa or a complete lunatic, and you don't look like a dead nun to me. I've had my fun with him and I'm banning him right now - this loser shouldn't be allowed to participate in the beautiful community that is TL. | ||
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
If you want to ban him because he hacked during the period where iccup killer was active, I think that there isn't enough evidence at the moment to back such an accusation up. That being said, I think that vGl-CoW was far less professional in this thread than I've come to expect TL staff to be, and I hope that he's not letting personal feelings get in the way of his moderating decisions. | ||
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vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
seeing him banned from iccup would warm my cruel and bitter heart, but i doubt this going to be the case edit in response to your edit: i know this comes across as me simply wanting to ban the guy out of personal spite. while it is true that i take immense joy in fucking with him, my years of contact with him have allowed me to discern the fact that he is of extremely poor moral fiber and definitely unable to live up to the standards we expect from our users any other mods can overturn my ban if they feel i went overboard here, but given this guy's resume, i'd say it's doubtful they will | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
Banning him for these accusations would be BS. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On September 02 2009 23:45 scwizard wrote: If you want to ban him for his past misdeeds (as well as his present rudeness), then I think that's fine. If you want to ban him because he hacked during the period where iccup killer was active, I think that there isn't enough evidence at the moment to back such an accusation up. That being said, I think that vGl-CoW was far less professional in this thread than I've come to expect TL staff to be, and I hope that he's not letting personal feelings get in the way of his moderating decisions. Moderating on TL is largely based on personal decisions by our staff. We make people we trust Moderators. In this situation I trust Cow and Rage's judgment far more than some random guy who got caught hacking 6 times. If you think flaming a hacker is "too unprofessional" for our staff, you are being far too lenient toward them. We have a harsh view when it comes to hacking. Sure there are exceptions, but there are good reasons why certain hackers are forgiven (they've taken punishment, shown themselves to be remorseful, and worked very hard to get a reputation back). Hacking is the cardinal sin in a BW community. It's like skipping out on debts or cheating at cards, or taking steroids in baseball. There's nothing worse you can do. Cheaters ruin this game we love so much and I'm not going to cry over this kid getting flamed or banned. You souldn't either. If that makes us unprofessional in your eyes, deal with it. We aren't changing how we act toward hacking idiots. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
no ones making money here LOL tl.net can do w/e the fuk it wants | ||
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