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TLnet Poll - Is it time to phase out Fighting Spirit?

Is it time to phase out Fighting Spirit? :

No (352)54%
Yes (300)46%

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net139 Posts
October 02 2019 00:25 GMT
#1
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51499 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-02 02:46:51
October 02 2019 02:03 GMT
#2
Yes

It should no longer be used in premiere tournaments at the very least, as much as I hate to use the phrase the map is very "stale" and doesn't do much to improve the current meta at the top level.

people are not ready to let go of it on ladder though and they probably never will, it serves its purpose there for being a safe map to learn to play the game.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12056 Posts
October 02 2019 06:22 GMT
#3
Yeah, it has no place in tournaments anymore. It was replaced by Circuit Breakers in 2010 just how Fighting Spirit replaced Python in 2008. We need a new standard map.
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Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
October 02 2019 08:47 GMT
#4
It should be kept as a ladder map at most, but definitely not in tournaments anymore.
Mine gas, build tanks.
meorcmespam
Profile Joined March 2019
8 Posts
October 02 2019 13:21 GMT
#5
ladder map yes, tourney no
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28896 Posts
October 02 2019 15:08 GMT
#6
kept as a ladder map is good (as long as I can keep vetoing it ) but yeah shouldn't be played in tourneys anymore.
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crbox
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1181 Posts
October 02 2019 21:21 GMT
#7
I agree with the consensus : ladder yes, tourney no
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
October 03 2019 17:54 GMT
#8
Agreed, I'm in favour of removing it from tournies, but keeping some very standard maps like it in the ladder pool is good.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 03 2019 20:21 GMT
#9
Yep. Let's do it!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1794 Posts
October 03 2019 20:51 GMT
#10
the bad thing about FS and CB in the ladder pool is that two of my vetoes are immediately ate up right there
LML
mishimaBeef
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2259 Posts
October 04 2019 14:15 GMT
#11
imba!!

https://tl.net/forum/bw-strategy/551478-efficient-gas-mining
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des
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States507 Posts
October 04 2019 16:17 GMT
#12
Given that everyone vetoes it (ok not everyone but everyone who cares enough to comment) why bother keeping it at all. Hard axe.
my larvae bring all the zerg to the yard
Bakuryu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany1065 Posts
October 05 2019 16:02 GMT
#13
no
i never veto it
i would like to keep it
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10387 Posts
October 05 2019 19:47 GMT
#14
I think it's important to keep (along with FS) as a relatively "vanilla" map, the competitive standard so to speak. It is precisely because the approaches to the map are so well-known and established that I believe it is one of the best maps to measure at least certain aspects of "skill."

I'm honestly more curious what the pros think about it. I imagine most are in favor of keeping it because of its longevity and stability, but that's just a guess.

164/164 btw
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-06 10:59:25
October 06 2019 10:56 GMT
#15
pro tour no need to keep it, but on ladder definitely yes.
It is pretty balanced and less boring than CB. Everyone knows the map well.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2042 Posts
October 07 2019 07:31 GMT
#16
I think it makes sense to keep it, what I love about SC most is that you have a variety of maps: some new, meta changing and challening maps, and some old, well analyzed and practiced maps. These two types allow players to battle on different grounds: creativity & flexibility vs preparation & execution. Having 2-3 standard and 2-3 non standard maps makes exactly that. Keep FS!
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
October 09 2019 13:57 GMT
#17
Time to phase out Fighting Spirit and bring in Neo Fighting Spirit
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
October 09 2019 19:44 GMT
#18
YES: for ladder.
NO: for ASL/KSL or whatever online tournaments.
sunbeams are never made like me...
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9331 Posts
October 11 2019 09:57 GMT
#19
same as outscar :
no for tournaments !
yes for ladder !!!
It's my favorite map !
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