EPTA live report thread is for the people posting in it or who can't watch. Good posting in a LR thread would be so lame ....
Predictions and OMG HAHA ENSARE HOLLYSHIT are the thread. A forum is just belated chatting. Its like turn based MSN.
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AttackZerg
United States7702 Posts
A live report thread is for the people posting in it or who can't watch. Good posting in a LR thread would be so lame .... Predictions and OMG HAHA ENSARE HOLLYSHIT are the thread. A forum is just belated chatting. Its like turn based MSN. | ||
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
 .That chatting I am talking about happens in almost every forum and imho it should be illegal in every forum, tl.net has irc channel go there for "omg haha"-stuff. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On January 08 2009 19:29 AttackZerg wrote: What the hell? A live report thread is for the people posting in it or who can't watch. Good posting in a LR thread would be so lame .... Predictions and OMG HAHA ENSARE HOLLYSHIT are the thread. A forum is just belated chatting. Its like turn based MSN. Yeah, in most LR threads the people who aren't reporting don't post much anyway. I think it only becomes a big problem in threads like "Lecaf vs ACE" that draw a ton more viewers. In those cases there are usually like 5 people LRing anyway.... | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On January 01 2009 13:12 onepost wrote: If you really wanted to get into it you could make a quiz about them and force them to get a perfect score lolol. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7702 Posts
On January 09 2009 02:12 Fontong wrote: Yeah, in most LR threads the people who aren't reporting don't post much anyway. I think it only becomes a big problem in threads like "Lecaf vs ACE" that draw a ton more viewers. In those cases there are usually like 5 people LRing anyway.... Ok maybe I'm the only one but when I spent my years away from broowar, I would randomly find a day with nothing to do and re-read all of the live reports for the big games I had missed. All that hype talk and spamed excitment is what made the thread for me. I would literallly get so hyped from it. I would never had read threw 30 pages of well articulated savior vs bisu posting, it would have been boring. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
About the live report threads: I feel like they're a historical account of what happened in a game, so that good posting isn't necessarily as required. putting together a picture in your head from the pieces can be pretty cool, and sometimes the only way of capturing the excitement of the games (especially if you wern't around to be able to watch the games live) is reading the live report thread. For example, if you have time, go read through the stork/fantasy game thread, or the july/best live report thread. They're both long, full of spam and repetitive remarks, but at the end of game 5 (of the stork/fantasy thread), 3 pages get instantly added by people who were following the game/live report thread. I'm not sure you would really want to trade that historical account of the people for anything. Attackzerg is right on this one I think, that the attention of the crowd and the bad/worse live reporting is what makes the game exciting. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On January 09 2009 12:39 onepost wrote: Another way to ease the work of moderators is to allow users to close their own threads. I often see users asking for mods to close their thread, latest example is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85712. Wouldn't that be a minute change? I don't think this is a good solution, it opens far too many doors for abuse, if the thread doesn't go how the OP feels, I don't think its his right to be able to arbitrarily close it. That and a Mod usually steps in within a short amount of time anyway. | ||
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
On January 10 2009 05:12 Hot_Bid wrote: I don't think this is a good solution, it opens far too many doors for abuse, if the thread doesn't go how the OP feels, I don't think its his right to be able to arbitrarily close it. That and a Mod usually steps in within a short amount of time anyway. I believe you that it could indeed be abused, although judging from the above I don't see how. If the thread doesn't go the OP's way, isn't it a sign that it should be closed? I mean, either the OP gets blasted for saying something stupid, or the thread derails... | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On January 10 2009 08:10 onepost wrote: I believe you that it could indeed be abused, although judging from the above I don't see how. If the thread doesn't go the OP's way, isn't it a sign that it should be closed? I mean, either the OP gets blasted for saying something stupid, or the thread derails... uhhh... do you know who rpf is? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
On January 10 2009 08:10 onepost wrote: I believe you that it could indeed be abused, although judging from the above I don't see how. If the thread doesn't go the OP's way, isn't it a sign that it should be closed? I mean, either the OP gets blasted for saying something stupid, or the thread derails... I don't think the OP should decide where and how the discussion flows. Often the subject and discussion may not go the way the OP wants, or proceed how the OP likes. This does not mean that its automatically worthy of closing. Moderators are better judges of that, and the only negative i see is the amount of time between when the OP could close a useless topic and a Mod, which has a negligible effect, so I don't see why we should allow the possibility for future abuse. | ||
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
I humbly answer by the negative.  | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76842 He is referring to that thread. If rpf had had the option to close that thread, we wouldn't have (arguably) one of our most hilarious threads. | ||
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
=>Youtube-only =>Picture-only =>Link-only There isn't even text! Couldn't there be a simple check upon previewing/posting that blocks those posts? Also, that could possibly be extended to other similar conditions, like if there's less than 300 characters, less than 10 spaces, or all capitals. It should be trivial to code, and would pay for itself very quickly, wouldn't it? | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
About the 'report this post' feature. There is the risk of a shitload of reports that are a mess to work through. However I see this feature improved with the following setup: - Every user has a reporting quality meter (a number). This is default 0 for everyone. - Everyone can report any post - The moderator will get a list of reported posts, sorted by the reporting priority value. - Every time a reported post is regarded as no-TL-material, all reporters of the post are rewarded by an increase of their reporting quality meter. - Every time a reported post is regarded as ok-TL-material, then all reporters of the post get a decrease of their reporting quality meter - The reporting priority value is: sum_all_reports( minimum(0, user_reporting_quality)) - People with a negative reporting quality value can get back in the postive by reporting posts that others report as well, and having that post be acted upon. - Reports can be automatically purged after some time to save moderators from having to purge the reported posts list automatically. Automatically purged posts of course do not affect related reporters. This way, people who abuse reporting will have their reporting be in vain, really soon. People who report properly will gain in reporting influence, but will never have something like a moderator status. Fair for everyone, and helpful for the moderators. Of course, this system would need to be implemented still. I would offer myself as programmer, if it were not for me throwing away all my spare time reading LR threads X-) (not that much spare time anyway.) About LR threads. I love how they are now. 'Shitty posts', close to h-scroll breaking, are fine by me. They are exciting! Like AttackZerg mentions. However, there are posts that can ruin the experience in them, where a poster says GG minutes away from any actual GG, or is just misleading. It can cause confusion, it breaks the excitement and is distracting. I wish moderators would be more strict on them. I know this is not a light request, having been a moderator myself, and I welcome any-and-all improvement. On the global level, by the way, I am still blown away by all the effort that TL is, and am not complaining about bad quality this or that. | ||
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
On January 17 2009 01:47 Badjas wrote: About the 'report this post' feature. There is the risk of a shitload of reports that are a mess to work through. However I see this feature improved with the following setup: - Every user has a reporting quality meter (a number). This is default 0 for everyone. - Everyone can report any post - The moderator will get a list of reported posts, sorted by the reporting priority value. - Every time a reported post is regarded as no-TL-material, all reporters of the post are rewarded by an increase of their reporting quality meter. - Every time a reported post is regarded as ok-TL-material, then all reporters of the post get a decrease of their reporting quality meter - The reporting priority value is: sum_all_reports( minimum(0, user_reporting_quality)) - People with a negative reporting quality value can get back in the postive by reporting posts that others report as well, and having that post be acted upon. - Reports can be automatically purged after some time to save moderators from having to purge the reported posts list automatically. Automatically purged posts of course do not affect related reporters. This way, people who abuse reporting will have their reporting be in vain, really soon. People who report properly will gain in reporting influence, but will never have something like a moderator status. Fair for everyone, and helpful for the moderators. Of course, this system would need to be implemented still. I would offer myself as programmer, if it were not for me throwing away all my spare time reading LR threads X-) (not that much spare time anyway.) I find your solution not only unnecessarily complex but also daunting to implement (I'm a software developer). I've already suggested that moderators look not at a list reported posts (although they could), but at a list of users with most comments having been reported (there should be very few blinking red on top of the list; the rest could be ignored). Instead of inspecting 100 reported comments looking for a pattern, you would immediately see that the 5 top users have had a combined 90 comments reported in the past few days. And it's a lot easier to implement... | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On January 17 2009 01:47 Badjas wrote: However, there are posts that can ruin the experience in them, where a poster says GG minutes away from any actual GG, or is just misleading. It can cause confusion, it breaks the excitement and is distracting. I wish moderators would be more strict on them. Sometimes my stream is minutes ahead of everyone else's. I post the future. | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On January 17 2009 02:41 onepost wrote: I find your solution not only unnecessarily complex but also daunting to implement (I'm a software developer). I've already suggested that moderators look not at a list reported posts (although they could), but at a list of users with most comments having been reported (there should be very few blinking red on top of the list; the rest could be ignored). Instead of inspecting 100 reported comments looking for a pattern, you would immediately see that the 5 top users have had a combined 90 comments reported in the past few days. And it's a lot easier to implement... Hello fellow software developer. It is absurd to call my idea daunting to implement. It takes one extra entity, the report, and one extra field in the user table. Then it takes some pages: report page, report confirm page, list reports page (for moderators), report details page (with action buttons, delete post / ban user / cancel reports...). That's about it. Then the functions: reporting is simply adding an entry to a table. OK-ing reports is the action on the user/post, already existing, then there is, for each reporter, give bonus (+ 1 on entity field), and delete report, or mark historic. canceling reports, for each reporter -1 on user, mark report historic. If posts get deleted through other means, and have reports attached to it, then logically the writers of those reports get a bonus automatically. I think that covers it. This is two days of work. And for your solution: Do you report users directly? If you do report posts, you got the same extra entity. And the presentation of posts is reduced to an aggregation of their writers. If you report users directly, then moderators will have to look for offending posts by themselves, not a good solution. I agree that there is merit to aggregating by writer though, still sorted on scoring, then with a drill-down to the reported posts by that writer. However, my proposal adds a self-balancing maintenance-free score to reports, at very little cost of implementation. And then there's some perks, like one could sort users on their (negative) reporting habits, and warn them for trolling with reports. Perhaps take away reporting options for those with a score of -20 or lower (they won't have a means to get it back without moderator intervention, if the user admin page will include this new score field.) | ||
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