EPTTL's attitude toward women - Page 6
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fgsvsd
Switzerland348 Posts
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
On December 08 2008 06:57 sith wrote: It would be a big deal (to me and most people), but it wouldn't get brought up because unless you felt strongly enough that it was wrong, there would be no incentive to go against it, as you yourself isn't being offended. Okay so if the whole forum tolerated racism, and someone of another race liked starcraft and decided to join, is their well being incentive enough to speak up? | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On December 08 2008 07:00 fgsvsd wrote: WHAT. Are you kidding me? KALYNN is obviously the troll here, refusing to answer a simple fucking question. no honestly, why does it matter all I see you doing is hurr hurr gurls on the internet hurr hurr back the kitchen herp derp I dont care if a lot of shitty posters agree with you, its still stupid to try and troll this topic I mean I'm not even that hardcore about it, if you want to troll fine, just dont do stupid trolls people | ||
Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
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SpiralArchitect
United States2116 Posts
On December 08 2008 05:48 FrozenArbiter wrote: I'm not sure I've seen a forum where the word girl can be mentioned without people starting to act like cavemen. It's like the South Park episode "Bebe's boos destroy society" except the people doing it aren't 8 so it's not funny. OMG That episodes was fucking hilarious. In other news: this thread fails. | ||
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gymni
United States32 Posts
On December 08 2008 07:00 fgsvsd wrote: WHAT. Are you kidding me? KALYNN is obviously the troll here, refusing to answer a simple fucking question. You realize that the only reason he's asking is to label the OP, right? If OP is a woman, he's going to accuse her of being irrational typical woman, if he's a guy he's going to label him White Knight defending a cause that he otherwise personally feels should be perpetuated. It also defeats the purpose of equality, when you tell people what you are, subliminally demanding special treatment. | ||
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Dutch
Canada110 Posts
On December 08 2008 06:46 Kalynn wrote: Because a woman is not a pussy. she is a woman. You can't define a woman like she is an object, that is fundamental to being sexist. She is not a cunt or a whore or a bitch. The origin of the words isn't my point. If you think that you aren't causing any pain when using this language then you are mistaken. When I'm out with the guys it's called pussy. Why? Because we understand that we are using the word pussy to mean women that we have picked up or are going to pick up. It's an ease of use thing. If you want to give it some sort of malicious meaning that's your problem. Keep it to yourself though and don't preach. | ||
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Dutch
Canada110 Posts
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Kalynn
Canada47 Posts
On December 08 2008 07:04 fgsvsd wrote: Kalynn isn't a woman. But he's a pussy. You're obviously not understanding my point. The word pussy is a derogatory word used to describe both men and women. Calling someone a pussy is basically saying - 'you are equal to female genetalia, which is a bad thing to be.' I AM a woman, and I am sick of being called names, here. | ||
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MrBabyHands
United States72 Posts
On December 08 2008 07:10 Kalynn wrote: I AM a woman, and I am sick of being called names, here. are you hot? | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On December 08 2008 06:47 pachi wrote: Unfair comparison though, for the same reason that gosugamers > tl spam is a bad example. These problems are both unpreventable largely because of the continuous influx of new members who aren't aware of and don't care about the rules, showing up specifically to do that which isn't desired from them. Whereas sexism as defined in the op is prevalent among long-time posters and people who come here for many reasons other than to say those things, and whatever their post-count would usually learn and do whatever they have to to stay, within reason.Have you seen the blog / strategy forum / sc2 clean-up attempts? The main thing that would lead anyone to be so unwilling to follow the rules that they would just leave the forum, and go stay at 4chan or some shitty place, is that they're that adamant about being vocally disrespectful to women. I don't expect that there are that many such posters, and whoever this is a description of is probably a douchebag anyway. | ||
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clazziquai
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
In relationships, I treat her like a best friend and we simply try to help each other out, share personal matters and have fun/enjoy ourselves being together..pretty straightforward. Unless your so fucking full of shit, primal, and insecure about your own masculinity..then yeah..I guess I could get it. | ||
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Toxic
Canada233 Posts
On December 08 2008 06:09 o3.power91 wrote: You think this is bad? See what TL says about Protoss Win right there. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11305 Posts
Even though it might be hard to enforce the policy in general in an efficient way, maybe this thread would be a good testing field of the banhammer? | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On December 08 2008 05:06 Kalynn wrote: + Show Spoiler + Admittedly, I haven't been a TL member for a long time, but today (not for the first time) I was extremely disgusted by behaviour that I saw, language being used and the complete lack of respect for women. words used to describe/refer to women in ONE day: -things -slut -bitch -bitches -idiot -hotties -whore ..and i do believe I saw a high five for a particulary offensive post Joke posts are expected here, but sometimes you can go too far. Seeing as it is in the Second Commandment of Team Liquid I felt the need to draw attention to extremely offensive, male chauvanist, sexist behaviour. "Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members - and we sure as hell would like to keep them!" + Show Spoiler + 2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE Common sense, people, common sense. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. (And if you happen to be into masochism, then you're at the wrong site, anyway.) + Show Spoiler + This doesn't mean you can't get verbally medieval on someone's ass every once in a while. We don't run the place like a septic tank. But, flames are generally discouraged and we expect people to have a damn good reason for resorting to harsh language in the forums. This means gratuitous swearing is a no-no. Trolls will be burned, decapitated and banned. If you must flame, be smart about it. Creative flames will even get you respect - if the flame was warranted to begin with. Generally, you'll almost never go wrong by being nice, polite and mature. All just common sense, people. There are also a number of Rules of Posting in our forums. Take the time to observe and learn them. There are way too many to recite here, but the following are a few important examples: - Racist remarks will be shot down and you will be lynched. - Homophobic comments will get shoved way up your ass. - Sexist remarks of any kind whatsoever will be dealt with especially harshly. Yeah, we have female members - and we sure as hell would like to keep them! - DO NOT POST ANYTHING IN ALL CAPS IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE SCREAMING LIKE A RAVING LUNATIC AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO TREAT YOU LIKE ONE AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! - Post your topics in the appropriate forum. We have separate forums for a reason. Use your head and post under the forum that's most relevant. - Don't be an attention whore and give away the results of games, sporting events, movie endings, etc. in the title of the thread/post. Also, if you're going to reveal stuff in the body of your post, then be decent enough to put a "spoiler" warning in advance. - Be very careful about resuscitating old threads. Sometimes it's ok, but sometimes it's not. - Don't know? Use the search function. It's better than Google and it works because whatever questions you may have, chances are we've already discussed it before ad nauseum. Did a search already and you still don't know? Ask politely! I know that forums are always filled with immature people or people who just try to get a rise out of others, but that doesnt excuse posts that are negative, violent, demeaning, and threatening towards women. No, your problems with women can't be solved by giving them a good "f***" or mushroom slap. I don't understand how someone can be banned for a racist post but something like this can go on without punishment or some sort of deterrence. I'm obviously not the only person here who feels this way and I think more than a few members should be ashamed of themselves. EDIT: citations: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=83554 , http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83520 among others Agreed. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
I am not sure, if it reflects the general mentality of 20-year-old males, 20-year-old gamers though. Could also be neither I guess, but seriously who the "#¤ finds it humorous to speak like that?. And OP just fell in a rather stupid trap. There is only disadvantage to be had in stating sex in a situation like this. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On December 08 2008 05:42 fusionsdf wrote: honestly we just have a ton of stupid users right now made a long post about this just the other day. the quality (yes, I used the word quality) of active members/posters lately has decreased fucking dramatically the past few months. I really, really miss HonestTea. | ||
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Kalynn
Canada47 Posts
On December 08 2008 07:18 KlaCkoN wrote: I agree completely with OP, "women are whores, no exception" posts are rather disgusting. I am not sure, if it reflects the general mentality of 20-year-old males, 20-year-old gamers though. Could also be neither I guess, but seriously who the "#¤ finds it humorous to speak like that?. And OP just fell in a rather stupid trap. There is only disadvantage to be had in stating sex in a situation like this. I understood completely what would come of it, however I don't want to hide behind gender ambiguity when being personally attacked. I want to stand up for what I am | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On December 08 2008 07:13 QuietIdiot wrote: I have plenty of friends that are girls, non-sexual relations such as in study groups or work places, I don't understand how people make such a big deal out of how they treat the opposite sex, I mean I think its pretty obvious, nobody likes to be treated inferior or a "bitch". Stereotyping an entire sex is equally as retarded as doing the same on an entire race. In relationships, I treat her like a best friend and we simply try to help each other out, share personal matters and have fun/enjoy ourselves being together..pretty straightforward. Unless your so fucking full of shit, primal, and insecure about your own masculinity..then yeah..I guess I could get it. QFT. Seriously couldn't agree more. | ||
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