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On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter?
Yes.
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On December 08 2008 05:57 Kalynn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 05:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
kalynn, trying to fight misogyny on the internet is seriously impossible. im not even going to try. your energy is far better spent just ignoring it than attempting to create serious topics like this, because everyone guilty of doing what you hate is going to ignore you, and its far too ingrained in the whole male internet culture/community for us to try to moderate it. it's just going to have to eventually slowly fade away through real girls becoming a more significant and vocal part of internet/gaming culture/communties. To me, it doesnt matter that it's an uphill battle. Letting people away with it means that they still get away with it and nothing is accomplished. It's a big problem that isn't just going to go away. I'm obviously not being taken seriously by a lot of people, and I half expected that. I posted not to get revenge or have people get their comeuppance, but to voice my opinion. It's too bad that some people are proving me right, here.
Anyone who says that fighting misogyny is impossible is incredibly misogynist. Why exactly are we supposed to ignore the material consequences of your speech, which is the reinforcement of the patriarchal hegemony manifest on this site? A thread is started asking people to behave halfway compassionately and your response is to ask womyn to slow down during an ever present emergency? Obviously she's not getting ignored because at least 90% of the subsequent posts served to reinforce the oppression she's feeling. I wonder why womyn don't want to become more vocal in this community? (And what could you possibly mean by "'real' girls"?
Anyway, kalynn... just don't get overwhelmed by all this.
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On December 08 2008 06:19 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter? Yes.
why?
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On December 08 2008 06:20 Kalynn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:19 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter? Yes. why?
Answer pls, no dodge.
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On December 08 2008 06:21 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:20 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:19 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter? Yes. why? Answer pls, no dodge.
Answer pls, no dodge.
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Kalynn makes a valid point, its just for efficiency reasons we can't enforce such a policy.
arb you're an idiot stop trolling him.
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The culture of this site is pretty much males 16-25 I'd say. Obviously there is going to be talk about women, and not all in a positive fashion. If this was a bunch of friends out for a night on the town it wouldn't be a problem. But because it's on the internet a bunch of pussys like to speak up and rain on the parade.
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CLAIMS OF ILLEGITIMACY OF AD HOMINEM ARGUMENTS ENSUING
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On December 08 2008 06:22 Hot_Bid wrote:
Kalynn makes a valid point, its just for efficiency reasons we can't enforce such a policy.
arb you're an idiot stop trolling him.
Heh could you expound on "efficiency reasons"? It's true that racism isn't tolerated, I've seen threads get shut down and stuff. Is it that sexism is too prevalent and would require too much banning and policing?
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On December 08 2008 06:21 Kalynn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:21 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:20 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:19 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter? Yes. why? Answer pls, no dodge. Answer pls, no dodge.
Because i am curious as to what your gender is.
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On December 08 2008 06:14 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:02 ThaddeusK wrote:On December 08 2008 05:37 d_so wrote:
why? because even on the internets, there are a few things which are taboo and you shouldn't fuck with: racism, sexism, socialism, nazism. wat? when did this happen, cause last i checked all of those things are rather common on the internet >.< Also, how did an economic theory based around collective ownership get on the same list as racism, sexism, and nazism. i never said they don't exist on the internet. i'm saying that if anything is punishable on the internet, it's abusing or claiming some sort of affinity towards these precepts. and do you feel smarter using six words to express something i expressed in one? Also, don't describe something as an economic theory when it's not. perhaps i should have said communism, not socialism, but either way neither of them are economic theories, although they derive much of their justification from the economic theory of welfare economics. nub
allow me to rephrase,
wat? when did this happen, cause last checked none of those things are taboo on the internet, anyone who has been on the internet for me than 5 minutes should have realized that not only are they common but on many sites, no one cares >.< Also, how did an economic theory based around collective ownership get on the same list as racism, sexism, and nazism. You see, i used 6 words there instead of one to show how it doesn't belong on that list, cause its completely different from the other three things. Also, i do not see how "a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general" fits on the same list as racism, sexism, and nazism.
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On December 08 2008 06:22 Dutch wrote:
The culture of this site is pretty much males 16-25 I'd say. Obviously there is going to be talk about women, and not all in a positive fashion. If this was a bunch of friends out for a night on the town it wouldn't be a problem. But because it's on the internet a bunch of pussys like to speak up and rain on the parade.
Equality should exist in all places, not some.
Acting this way in secrecy is not an excuse, it only perpetuates sexism in all places.
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On December 08 2008 06:26 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:21 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:21 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:20 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:19 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter? Yes. why? Answer pls, no dodge. Answer pls, no dodge. Because i am curious as to what your gender is.
Would it make a difference in matter of your opinion? .. and why should it matter?
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On December 08 2008 06:22 Hot_Bid wrote:
Kalynn makes a valid point, its just for efficiency reasons we can't enforce such a policy.
arb you're an idiot stop trolling him.
There wouldn't be as much to have to stop if you tried to stop some. I'm sure if this site was this full of "gosugamers > tl" spam threads you would clean it up quick. On this planet it is likely you will always have a thousand excuses to reinforce patriarchy, many of them based on "efficiency" (a.k.a. "it doesn't really bother me so I'll never get motivated enough to do something about it"), but I've yet to see a valid one.
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I think it's more of the fact that women are scapegoats
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why even ask? she said "I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive", males wouldn't get offended by that
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On December 08 2008 06:26 ThaddeusK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:14 d_so wrote:On December 08 2008 06:02 ThaddeusK wrote:On December 08 2008 05:37 d_so wrote:
why? because even on the internets, there are a few things which are taboo and you shouldn't fuck with: racism, sexism, socialism, nazism. wat? when did this happen, cause last i checked all of those things are rather common on the internet >.< Also, how did an economic theory based around collective ownership get on the same list as racism, sexism, and nazism. i never said they don't exist on the internet. i'm saying that if anything is punishable on the internet, it's abusing or claiming some sort of affinity towards these precepts. and do you feel smarter using six words to express something i expressed in one? Also, don't describe something as an economic theory when it's not. perhaps i should have said communism, not socialism, but either way neither of them are economic theories, although they derive much of their justification from the economic theory of welfare economics. nub allow me to rephrase, wat? when did this happen, cause last checked none of those things are taboo on the internet, anyone who has been on the internet for me than 5 minutes should have realized that not only are they common but on many sites, no one cares >.< Also, how did an economic theory based around collective ownership get on the same list as racism, sexism, and nazism. You see, i used 6 words there instead of one to show how it doesn't belong on that list, cause its completely different from the other three things. Also, i do not see how "a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless society based on common ownership of the means of production and property in general" fits on the same list as racism, sexism, and nazism.
-_- are you saying that these precepts i listed are not bannable offenses on many boards? even if that ban is not enforced, is it not part of the rules, just like it is here on tl? so can you understand why i said that "if anything is punishable, it is for abusing or expressing affinity for any of these precepts"?
socialism is probably the only one that doesn't fit the list on a global context, but in America, yeah, there's tons of hatred for both socialism and communism. nevertheless, it's probably not a bannable offense, so yeah, it doesn't belong on the list... but not for the reasons you said. you need to go take some econ classes and actually understand what an economic theory is before you try to assert your intelligence with a verbose string of multisyllabic words you don't even understand you little as;kldfj;as.
edit: in the spirit of this thread i removed my female-derogatory word goddamit
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On December 08 2008 06:28 Kalynn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2008 06:26 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:21 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:21 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:20 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:19 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:15 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:13 arb wrote:On December 08 2008 06:12 Kalynn wrote:On December 08 2008 06:07 yoshtodd wrote:
At least its not as bad as 4chan... There is definitely a macho atmosphere here. Perhaps just make use of the Starcraft resources and avoid the General Forum and Blogs. I'd probably be a lot happier if I ignored everything offensive. Unfortunately you can't ignore something that smacks you in the face everyday and is hurtful to you as a person. ..and I'm not just talking about TL here. Are you male or female? does it matter? Yes. why? Answer pls, no dodge. Answer pls, no dodge. Because i am curious as to what your gender is. Would it make a difference in matter of your opinion? .. and why should it matter?
It would help to explain the basis behind your OP a bit, but I think that's all...
yoshtodd, I think Hot_Bid's point is that while the TL Commandments basically support Kalynn, the general consensus of the community seems to be neutral or disregarding the policy, and so changing the method by which the policy is enforced would require a shift the TL staff don't want to take, or a great fluctuation within the community (like a sudden loss of members). I.e. the time isn't right...Or something like that?
That said, I think Pyrrhuloxia also has a point. I wouldn't say that the act of not fighting the specified actions is misogynistic itself, but I do think it displays a bit of defeatism.
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