US Politics Feedback Thread - Page 273

On January 19 2020 04:27 LegalLord wrote:

Sure, why not, since this group generally seems interested in that:
1. GH posts as he usually does - in my eyes, generally outspoken but also quite a frequent poster, who occasionally gets into those less-than-cordial debates with others. Not always a perfect poster, but no one else is, either. Not bad overall.
2. Neb is... kinda sorta in the same boat? I hear him talk about others being generally hostile to him for his outspoken opinions, but I do have a hard time actually seeing it play out that way.
3. "Good person" JimmiC isn't that much different from either of the two above, but clearly has an addiction to baiting GH. He's not bad outside of that, and generally a pretty constructive poster, but it's a pretty annoying habit.
4. Seeker is acting in a way that isn't really very becoming of a moderator. Choosing obvious a priori favorites and consistently making rather petty remarks, such as the one above about GH being childish. It feels like that approach to moderation does breed the same childish attitude in the thread itself, because the way the moderators moderate does define the mood of the rest of the posters.
5. He didn't come in here, but DMCD does do a lot of really questionable characterizations of the positions of others, so I'm mildly confused why those characterizations are taking center stage in this little meta-discussion.

On January 19 2020 00:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
I appreciate Neb speaking up and just hope others express their observations.

On January 19 2020 11:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Yeah, I wrote a dumb post once in november and immediately admitted that it was dumb. Sorry!

On January 19 2020 11:17 Aquanim wrote:

You admitted it was dumb when I intervened, at which point you switched into trying to get me to say JimmiC had made dumb posts as well. You were transparently trying to stir shit. And let's not pretend this was the only time you've done that.

On January 19 2020 11:21 Nebuchad wrote:


Had Jimmi made dumb posts as well?

Did I get you to say it?

On January 19 2020 11:24 Aquanim wrote:

Anybody who wants the answers to those questions can read the thread around the linked post themselves. I have no interest in entertaining your attempts to distract from your own blatantly and unambigously shit behaviour.

On January 19 2020 11:24 Aquanim wrote:

Anybody who wants the answers to those questions can read the thread around the linked post themselves. I have no interest in entertaining your attempts to distract from your own blatantly and unambigously shit behaviour.

On January 19 2020 11:34 GreenHorizons wrote:


That seems a bit of a harsh description unless you'd use it describe a lot of posters behavior.

On January 19 2020 11:35 Nebuchad wrote:


Nah it was a shitpost, no question. I was getting tired of Jimmi doing his shit and I posted something I shouldn't have.

On January 19 2020 11:32 Nebuchad wrote:


How am I distracting? You are right, that was shitty of me. It's fair that you kept the receipts so that you could get me today, no question. I just wish you'd keep them for other people as well. I tried to find some of this stuff for one of the posts in here today but it's hard to find it again.

On January 19 2020 11:41 GreenHorizons wrote:

This ^ was more my point anyway I suppose

On January 19 2020 11:54 Aquanim wrote:

Precisely which point are you referring to?

edit: If you're referring to Nebuchad's comment as to whose posts I can or choose to produce, well... I'm sure it would be nice for y'all if I contributed to your efforts to bait, taunt and ostracise DMCD, JimmiC, etc., but that's not really my kind of game tyvm.

On January 19 2020 12:50 GreenHorizons wrote:


You not think there are several posts similar or worse than that example you gave of Neb from them?

On January 19 2020 12:54 Aquanim wrote:
Fundamentally, though, I think they are on this website with (broadly speaking) good intentions, and you're not.

On January 19 2020 13:00 Nebuchad wrote:


What about me?

On January 19 2020 12:54 Aquanim wrote:

I'm sure most all of us have made worse posts (especially a few years ago when the moderators didn't give a shit about the politics threads). Fundamentally, though, I think they are on this website with (broadly speaking) good intentions, and you're not.

On January 19 2020 13:50 Jealous wrote:

As a person who only reads and doesn't contribute because I don't know/care enough about politics but enjoy learning through reading others' discourse, I have to mostly agree with this purely from a conversational point of view. While I don't think that any of the headline actors in the thread are innocent of any of the things levied against GH, I find the manner in which he develops conversation to be the most stifling on the long term, and it necessarily draws people like JimmiC and their frustration into the equation through the manner more so than the content itself. To provide a slightly more precise example, a common theme that led me to stop reading GH-involved posts past a certain point would go as follows:

Anyone: News story that bodes doom and gloom.
GH: The only appropriate answer is revolution.
Anyone else: I'm okay with a revolution, but how would it go?
GH: It's not my place to tell you how a revolution should go, but we need one, and it needs to be a violent upheaval.
Anyone at all: Can you at least tell me how a violent revolution would accomplish these things, then?
GH: You don't know anything because you haven't read enough literature to discuss this topic, good bye.

And this structure repeats over multiple topics and conversations ad nauseam.

Again, I will repeat that GH is not the only one who contributes to the overall degradation of conversation in the thread. I will acknowledge that he does make informed and intelligent posts. However, he is the first to come to mind when I think of people who simply stifle conversation by making it impossible to participate - and this is from an outsider's perspective. So, I may not be as involved so in that sense I acknowledge that my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.