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My first question is if he now sees or always saw the post in question as trolling.
Imagine some other poster said someone wasn’t being rude, and when presented with quoted evidence, switched his argument to saying the same person was not banned for it. Is that poster trolling? Should people instead say he’s deceitful and purposefully ignores evidence instead of confronting evidence as a personal creed?
I think admitting to trolling is a less impactful deed than showing he operates in a manner of contradicting past claims and not defending his own words. Duplicity in acknowledging the plain meaning of past words is something that sticks.
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I haven't got a clue what you are insinuating Serm. I don't want to play your stupid game of going through a lengthy argument and at the end you pretend you are just joking. Just tell me what you mean straight up. Who are "we" and who aren't being called racist bigots and more?
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Can someone please explain me why ANYONE is still trying to argue with xDaunt? Just imagine the most fierce "kinda" intelligent republican bot and you get him.
What is there to gain? Its pages upon pages upon pages of pure bullshit. There could be a video of every republican IN THE WORLD molesting little children and he would claim that the resolution of the pictures isn't high enough to be convincing.
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Because it is very hard to let his stuff stand unopposed. I, too sometimes fall into that trap, despite having decided for a long time that there is really no point in replying to him. It is the combination of really, really far out there opinions, living in a world of "alternative facts", claims that everyone else is actually ignoring facts, incredibly obvious partisan way of forming said opinions, condescension and utter smugness that worm out a response out of people who really should know better after having the same thing happen a dozen times or more.
And it only takes one person to be annoyed enough to not ignore it for those pages upon pages of bullshit to be generated, because once it starts it becomes harder and harder to ignore.
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On March 12 2019 06:45 Velr wrote:
Can someone please explain me why ANYONE is still trying to argue with xDaunt? Just imagine the most fierce "kinda" intelligent republican bot and you get him.
What is there to gain? Its pages upon pages upon pages of pure bullshit. There could be a video of every republican IN THE WORLD molesting little children and he would claim that the resolution of the pictures isn't high enough to be convincing.
You can gain insight into the views of your political opponent (if you're willing to put in the effort necessary to understand his points). Or an opportunity to call him a troll. It's what politics threads are for!
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I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too.
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On March 12 2019 06:45 Velr wrote:
Can someone please explain me why ANYONE is still trying to argue with xDaunt? Just imagine the most fierce "kinda" intelligent republican bot and you get him.
What is there to gain? Its pages upon pages upon pages of pure bullshit. There could be a video of every republican IN THE WORLD molesting little children and he would claim that the resolution of the pictures isn't high enough to be convincing.
His most vociferous opponents have pages and pages of bullshit at least from the last years of the Obama presidency to today. I guess there’s power in numbers.
I ignore more of it now than I did in the past.
+ Show Spoiler +And Velr, are you really so lost to reason to stoop to videos of MOLESTING LITTLE CHILDREN? I have my dim view of the major thread participants from the left, but I’m not going to talk about women and children getting raped, or whatnot to show how incensed I am about the issue. Ugh. You’re one of those that makes politics downright nasty.
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On March 12 2019 04:15 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I haven't got a clue what you are insinuating Serm. I don't want to play your stupid game of going through a lengthy argument and at the end you pretend you are just joking. Just tell me what you mean straight up. Who are "we" and who aren't being called racist bigots and more?
I don't go through a lengthy argument and pretend to be joking you're the one who refuses to engage with your own posts. I honestly don't believe that you understand basic human communication so I'm just not going to bother with trying to communicate with you anymore.
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If only your assertations could be said to be true...
It's actually really simple to stop talking to someone. You simply stop talking to them. But you can't help but to continue to continue to post and lie in the US pol thread, then you come here to declare that you will ignore me. Just to get the last word in. What a joke you are.
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On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too.
The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct.
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On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct.
Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted.
Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up.
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On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up.
I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem?
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On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem?
LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne.
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On March 15 2019 03:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem? LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne.
Very few people on this forum are anticapitalists, so yeah I'm by definition a dissenting opinion. If the only modes of communication that you perceive are agreement and getting in an argument with everyone, we're probably narrowing down on the actual issue.
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On March 15 2019 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem? LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne. Very few people on this forum are anticapitalists, so yeah I'm by definition a dissenting opinion. If the only modes of communication that you perceive are agreement and getting in an argument with everyone, we're probably narrowing down on the actual issue.
It doesn't work that way. You don't get to keep all of your "controversial" opinions in the closet and claim to be a "dissenting opinion" in the thread. Regardless of whatever you actually believe, you register as a zero on the "dissenting opinion" scale because you aren't brave enough to engage other people with your ideas.
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On March 15 2019 04:06 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem? LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne. Very few people on this forum are anticapitalists, so yeah I'm by definition a dissenting opinion. If the only modes of communication that you perceive are agreement and getting in an argument with everyone, we're probably narrowing down on the actual issue. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to keep all of your "controversial" opinions in the closet and claim to be a "dissenting opinion" in the thread. Regardless of whatever you actually believe, you register as a zero on the "dissenting opinion" scale because you aren't brave enough to engage other people with your ideas.
Here I am, coming out of the closet, unmasking myself as an anticapitalist, I bet everyone on the forum thought I was a liberal before our interaction. They will be shocked to find that out, shocked I tell you.
Be serious please.
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On March 15 2019 04:22 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 04:06 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem? LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne. Very few people on this forum are anticapitalists, so yeah I'm by definition a dissenting opinion. If the only modes of communication that you perceive are agreement and getting in an argument with everyone, we're probably narrowing down on the actual issue. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to keep all of your "controversial" opinions in the closet and claim to be a "dissenting opinion" in the thread. Regardless of whatever you actually believe, you register as a zero on the "dissenting opinion" scale because you aren't brave enough to engage other people with your ideas. Here I am, coming out of the closet, unmasking myself as an anticapitalist, I bet everyone on the forum thought I was a liberal before our interaction. They will be shocked to find that out, shocked I tell you. Be serious please.
You're missing the point. The issue isn't how you classify yourself or even how other people classify you (I had you pegged as far left socialist, but whatever -- it's all semantics). The issue is whether you actually argue your point of view and draw substantial dissent from other posters in the forum. You clearly do not.
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On March 15 2019 04:25 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 04:22 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 04:06 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem? LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne. Very few people on this forum are anticapitalists, so yeah I'm by definition a dissenting opinion. If the only modes of communication that you perceive are agreement and getting in an argument with everyone, we're probably narrowing down on the actual issue. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to keep all of your "controversial" opinions in the closet and claim to be a "dissenting opinion" in the thread. Regardless of whatever you actually believe, you register as a zero on the "dissenting opinion" scale because you aren't brave enough to engage other people with your ideas. Here I am, coming out of the closet, unmasking myself as an anticapitalist, I bet everyone on the forum thought I was a liberal before our interaction. They will be shocked to find that out, shocked I tell you. Be serious please. You're missing the point. The issue isn't how you classify yourself or even how other people classify you (I had you pegged as far left socialist, but whatever -- it's all semantics). The issue is whether you actually argue your point of view and draw substantial dissent from other posters in the forum. You clearly do not.
Then you're making a circular argument. This forum doesn't tolerate dissenting opinions. But if the dissenting opinion you have is tolerated, then it doesn't count as dissent. Therefore making it impossible by default that this forum tolerates dissenting opinions.
On March 15 2019 04:30 JimmiC wrote:
I've had substantial dissent on issues with Nebuchad. However he does a great job of never making personal and slowing down the posting when it starts to get heated. He is the type of poster where after the disagreement you feel like you were to harsh and not the other way around.
But to Daunt's point what he dissents on is usually far less "hot button" or emotional because it tends to be more economic issues and less things like abortion and so on.
I would agree with xDaunt that this forum isn't very tolerant of some specific opinions. He frames it as "dissenting opinions" because he's good at rhetorics. I don't want to let him get away with that because 1) he doesn't get to get away with that in general, and 2) I believe not being tolerant of a bunch of specific opinions is a good thing (and so does everyone btw).
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On March 15 2019 04:33 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2019 04:25 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 04:22 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 04:06 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:58 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:48 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:42 Nebuchad wrote:On March 15 2019 03:30 xDaunt wrote:On March 15 2019 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:On March 12 2019 07:25 xDaunt wrote:
I hope everyone who agrees with Velr and Simberto does me and everyone else in the thread a favor and simply ignores my posts. It will certainly make the mods' lives easier, too. The issue with letting things stand in a forum setting is that to someone who doesn't know we're ignoring you, it looks like your position is accepted. Or worse, correct. Who cares? I ignore ridiculous shit all of the time knowing that there are people who will think I am "conceding the point" or will otherwise believe the nonsense that the poster in question has posted. Let's just cut right to the heart of the matter: there is a large class of posters on the left on this forum who cannot tolerate dissenting opinions and would rather shut those people up. I am a dissenting opinion, they tolerate me fine most of the time. Maybe you are the problem? LOL. You a dissenting opinion? You dissent on hardly anything. When was the last time that you were in an argument with half a dozen posters at the same time? The only left posters who fall into that category and who immediately come to mind are GH and Igne. Very few people on this forum are anticapitalists, so yeah I'm by definition a dissenting opinion. If the only modes of communication that you perceive are agreement and getting in an argument with everyone, we're probably narrowing down on the actual issue. It doesn't work that way. You don't get to keep all of your "controversial" opinions in the closet and claim to be a "dissenting opinion" in the thread. Regardless of whatever you actually believe, you register as a zero on the "dissenting opinion" scale because you aren't brave enough to engage other people with your ideas. Here I am, coming out of the closet, unmasking myself as an anticapitalist, I bet everyone on the forum thought I was a liberal before our interaction. They will be shocked to find that out, shocked I tell you. Be serious please. You're missing the point. The issue isn't how you classify yourself or even how other people classify you (I had you pegged as far left socialist, but whatever -- it's all semantics). The issue is whether you actually argue your point of view and draw substantial dissent from other posters in the forum. You clearly do not. Then you're making a circular argument. This forum doesn't tolerate dissenting opinions. But if the dissenting opinion you have is tolerated, then it doesn't count as dissent. Therefore making it impossible by default that this forum tolerates dissenting opinions.
There's nothing circular about my argument at all. My argument isn't that there is something wrong with lots of people arguing with someone who has a dissenting opinion (that's the whole point of the thread, right?) My argument is that there is a substantial class of posters that does not want those see those dissenting opinions at all, as is evidenced by the repeated calls for baseless moderation of the people with those dissenting opinion.
I've given the mods a lot of crap in this thread over the years, but I will say this in their defense. I appreciate the challenge that is inherent in fairly moderating a poster that draws substantial negative attention. It's not easy, particularly given the volume of shit that they have to wade through from all of the complaints of the hyenas out there. All of the baselessly reported posts. All of the crap in here. All of the PMs. And I have no doubt that these frustrations are amplified if the mods disagree with the opinions of the controversial poster in question.
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