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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 11 2018 16:02 GMT
#3141
On July 12 2018 00:49 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 00:36 LegalLord wrote:
On July 12 2018 00:30 Aveng3r wrote:
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.

The 2 events are completely unrelated

Really? I was quite certain that there was an unwritten understanding of, "ok, Danglars is gone, let's talk communism!" among all USPOL regulars.

Too much is held in agreement if xDaunt, Introvert, and Sermokala aren't posting.

So it's always back to GH's views on Chavez/Maduro, Lenin, and socialism.


those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. and thus the thread cycle repeats?
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23456 Posts
July 11 2018 16:03 GMT
#3142
On July 12 2018 00:47 Plansix wrote:
Sometimes it is easier to talk about world history he thread doesn’t have to give a collective history lesson to a few posters.


To be fair, Igne has been doing a good job of that, it's unenviable work.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 11 2018 16:20 GMT
#3143
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.


dont worry danglars, most of the thread agrees that lenin was a demon and that good revolutionaries should make peace with the overthrown aristocracy
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-11 16:28:55
July 11 2018 16:26 GMT
#3144
“Everyone involved was sort of a nightmare person for different reasons” is a completely valid historical perspective. Looking for good guys and bad guys in history isn’t really studying history. Lenin is a compelling figure, but also a nightmarish one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 11 2018 16:38 GMT
#3145
On July 12 2018 01:20 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.


dont worry danglars, most of the thread agrees that lenin was a demon and that good revolutionaries should make peace with the overthrown aristocracy

I don't find discussing Lenin in a debate thread to be interesting. If somebody says he would be preferable to Trump or Hillary, I won't try to argue them out of it. It just isn't an easy progression into relevance today.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 11 2018 16:48 GMT
#3146
On July 12 2018 01:38 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 01:20 IgnE wrote:
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.


dont worry danglars, most of the thread agrees that lenin was a demon and that good revolutionaries should make peace with the overthrown aristocracy

I don't find discussing Lenin in a debate thread to be interesting. If somebody says he would be preferable to Trump or Hillary, I won't try to argue them out of it. It just isn't an easy progression into relevance today.


yeah i mean he was integral to what was only probably the most important event of the 20th century.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 11 2018 16:56 GMT
#3147
On July 12 2018 01:48 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 01:38 Danglars wrote:
On July 12 2018 01:20 IgnE wrote:
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.


dont worry danglars, most of the thread agrees that lenin was a demon and that good revolutionaries should make peace with the overthrown aristocracy

I don't find discussing Lenin in a debate thread to be interesting. If somebody says he would be preferable to Trump or Hillary, I won't try to argue them out of it. It just isn't an easy progression into relevance today.


yeah i mean he was integral to what was only probably the most important event of the 20th century.

I don’t think Danglars disputes that. Only that the progression from Lenin to a current US Presidential candidate is tortured path that isn’t very fruitlful in discussions of current politics.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 11 2018 17:04 GMT
#3148
On July 12 2018 01:48 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 01:38 Danglars wrote:
On July 12 2018 01:20 IgnE wrote:
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.


dont worry danglars, most of the thread agrees that lenin was a demon and that good revolutionaries should make peace with the overthrown aristocracy

I don't find discussing Lenin in a debate thread to be interesting. If somebody says he would be preferable to Trump or Hillary, I won't try to argue them out of it. It just isn't an easy progression into relevance today.


yeah i mean he was integral to what was only probably the most important event of the 20th century.

If we were in an upper division political science class or history class, and the audience was that of college students, then your sarcasm would have a point. In this case, it doesn't. The average attention span of the audience will not suffer answering such questions as "In what ways was Lenin and the Russian Revolution worse than failings of today's liberal democracies in the West?":
Does Lenin have blood on his hands? Obviously. But so does every American President going back to Washington. Does he have a lot of blood on his hands? Yes. But then again, it is hard to even imagine the situation he and his comrades were in.


Related, how much of the socialism of his day is related to socialism's general failings to answer this one:
history cannot be wrapped up in a tidy sentence (fragment) like, "tragedy of the commons." people who suggest as much tend to be pretty bad at analyzing "current events" as well.

Maybe it's an excellent summary at that stage of generalization, and maybe it's not. The determination between the two will be far longer than the average post. It'll be supported by conclusions from facts that are perhaps both in dispute. And you basically answered your own question
IgnE proposition: Lenin was integral to the most important event of the 20th century, so why not discuss?
IgnE answer: I know it's fruitless, but I'm reveling in taking this thread to topics beyond the latest bullshit from trump's mouth.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-11 17:22:19
July 11 2018 17:21 GMT
#3149
well you are right that the thread is not a place for a lecture. it is a large conversation. and there is a middle ground for an evolving discussion in response to pointed questions about context-embedded particulars. i didnt bring up lenin, but if the people want to discuss him then i will respond in an active way that seeks truth rather than in a hebetudinous submission to the 'wisdom' of sentence fragments

all notwithstanding the occasional place for soliloquy in conversation
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 11 2018 21:22 GMT
#3150
I also don't see the thread as solely for debate. Debate finds its home in politics, naturally, but there's also plenty of shit that's very complex in politics, or has its roots in a deep historical context. Sometimes you only need discussion. Not everything needs to be a battle.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-11 22:06:07
July 11 2018 22:04 GMT
#3151
What I got from this is that Danglars subscribe much to his own importance as a topic setter, other than making a shitfest out of everything Trump.

Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 11 2018 22:16 GMT
#3152
You can’t even remark about a direction the thread has taken without the usual trolls popping up with the insult play.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 11 2018 22:22 GMT
#3153
On July 12 2018 07:16 Danglars wrote:
You can’t even remark about a direction the thread has taken without the usual trolls popping up with the insult play.

Maybe your knee-jerk response that everyone is trolling you has something to do with why you got banned again.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
July 11 2018 23:12 GMT
#3154
WTF even is an insult play? Is that sexual slang for something. If it is, I want no part in your fantasy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-11 23:48:08
July 11 2018 23:46 GMT
#3155
I think he means talking shit. We just call it roasting someone. As sick burn if you will. Talking a bunch of yang. Spitting game. Laying into someone. Dropping bombs. Straight up mercing the fool.

You’re right that Insult play sounds like some sort of kink. No judgment of course. Just not something we do in the thread.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 12 2018 00:56 GMT
#3156
On July 12 2018 00:24 Danglars wrote:
I get the boot and then there's literally hundreds of posts on leninism and the soviet union. Ok, US Politics, you do you rofl.


I mean, is this really a discussion you're interested in being part of?
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23456 Posts
July 12 2018 02:21 GMT
#3157
On July 12 2018 08:46 Plansix wrote:
I think he means talking shit. We just call it roasting someone. As sick burn if you will. Talking a bunch of yang. Spitting game. Laying into someone. Dropping bombs. Straight up mercing the fool.

You’re right that Insult play sounds like some sort of kink. No judgment of course. Just not something we do in the thread.


lol I think your urban dictionary needs an update
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 12 2018 02:41 GMT
#3158
On July 12 2018 11:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 08:46 Plansix wrote:
I think he means talking shit. We just call it roasting someone. As sick burn if you will. Talking a bunch of yang. Spitting game. Laying into someone. Dropping bombs. Straight up mercing the fool.

You’re right that Insult play sounds like some sort of kink. No judgment of course. Just not something we do in the thread.


lol I think your urban dictionary needs an update

Ok Portland.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23456 Posts
July 12 2018 02:51 GMT
#3159
On July 12 2018 11:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2018 11:21 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 12 2018 08:46 Plansix wrote:
I think he means talking shit. We just call it roasting someone. As sick burn if you will. Talking a bunch of yang. Spitting game. Laying into someone. Dropping bombs. Straight up mercing the fool.

You’re right that Insult play sounds like some sort of kink. No judgment of course. Just not something we do in the thread.


lol I think your urban dictionary needs an update

Ok Portland.


I feel like I'm missing the reference here?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
July 12 2018 02:59 GMT
#3160
The list is filling up! 8 temp bannees right now.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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