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Lalalaland34490 Posts
On October 24 2012 15:59 KwarK wrote:
Police officer: "Well you could contact the police department or if you are unhappy with the law then I guess you could contact your representative or if you are unhappy with the way that one number can be higher than another then please contact the universe."
As I read this part I expected a reference to myself. I was pleasantly disappointed.
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OP I suggest from now on that you try to put as much effort in your post as you did for the one in this thread. that and stop picking idiotic arguments, and you should be fine.
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On October 24 2012 15:59 KwarK wrote:
There was a fundamental misunderstanding on your part into how this works.
1) You made a homophobic remark.
2) I banned you for it.
3) You attempted to explain to me why it was not ban worthy and asked how to appeal.
4) I did not accept your argument as to why it was not homophobic. My opinion was that it was homophobic and I upheld the ban. I also explained how to appeal should you not be satisfied with the result.
5) You insisted that I explain to you to your satisfaction why you should be banned. This point here is where I think the fundamental misunderstanding is. You see how it works is that you are the forum poster, you make the posts on the forum. Then I am the moderator and my purpose is to moderate them and judge those which don't meet our standards. I don't need to persuade you that your posting is so bad that you should take two weeks off, if I feel that it is so bad that you should take time off then I use a ban. I make the judgement. I considered your PM explaining why you felt you shouldn't be banned and then I dismissed it because you were, in my opinion, wrong.
Imagine you were speeding and a police officer pulled you over and the following exchange happened.
Police officer: "Sir, you were going 20mph over the speed limit so I'm going to give you a ticket for speeding"
Neversummer: "I hardly think that I was doing qualifies as speeding. Who do I contact to complain about you?"
the police officer continues writing his ticket
Police officer: "Well you could contact the police department or if you are unhappy with the law then I guess you could contact your representative or if you are unhappy with the way that one number can be higher than another then please contact the universe."
Neversummer: "Is that a joke? Please address my complaint about how I think going 20mph over the speed limit wasn't speeding."
Police officer: "I'm not sure you understand how this works. I'm not here to convince you you need a ticket or to debate traffic law with you. You were speeding and I'm giving you a ticket."
Neversumer: "But my car has excellent brakes and the visibility is good so I feel that if anything happened then I could easily have stopped in time and anyway the traffic laws in question are bad and what gives you the right? I heard once that a guy who was pulled over for speeding and had his pregnant wife in labour in the back of his car and was on the way to the hospital made a successful appeal against a ticket. The police officer in that case felt that the ticket wouldn't be justified. I would therefore like you to explain to me why my situation is different to that and then, if you can explain to me to my satisfaction why my case isn't the same, I will accept the ticket."
Police officer: "Sir, you were speeding, here is your ticket".
Neversummer: "But we didn't even discuss how the speed limit doesn't vary depending upon the weather even though stopping distances do vary! How can you give me a ticket if you are unwilling to do that?!?!?"
Hopefully that explains why I think your objection was completely retarded. You were homophobic, I judged you as homophobic and banned you for it. It doesn't matter what you think.
Not that I ever lacked respect for you before, but I have even more for you now.
That analogy is fantastic.
At least the OP was organized 
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The TL forums have long since served as a bastion for intellectual, or at the very least educated and civil, discussion
What forums would these be then?
I respect TL and enjoy browsing the forums, and lap up the free content TL Staff and voluntary contributors provide about pro SC2 and BW.
But seriously? How much time did you waste writing that? You DO realize that you are complaining about a forum... on the interwebs?
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This thread is amazing and I'm glad that I didn't miss it. Kwark you so awesome <3
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On October 24 2012 09:26 Myles wrote:
I tend to agree that Kwark is much more inclined to insult and belittle posters he moderates. And while TL has never been built on equality, I don't think it speaks well when a moderator more than occasionally says things to members that would get a normal poster warned/banned.
+1. KwarK is a nice person, but honestly he gets away with posting things in general that would get a regular poster warned/temp banned.
Personally I think the ban was justified, but KwarK should seriously lighten up.
It was bad enough when you went all emotional in the Libya topic after saying "I just spent several hours consoling someone who was killed, so I'm not in the mood to take any crap", and then banning/warning left and right.
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I do not know if you're on a crusade to save the world from an injust Kwark, if you're annoyed that you got banned for expressing an honest opinion or if you are simply just insecure about being called homophobic.
Maybe all 3 of them, your huge essay probally will serve no other purpose other than expanding some peoples vocabulary, Kwark is known to be blunt, and really, if you think that TL mods cant insult users, go back and find some Fakesteve bans for instance, you're being treated with silken gloves in comparison
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On October 24 2012 22:12 Praetorial wrote:
Personally I think the ban was justified, but KwarK should seriously lighten up.
It was bad enough when you went all emotional in the Libya topic after saying "I just spent several hours consoling someone who was killed, so I'm not in the mood to take any crap", and then banning/warning left and right.
As noted quite a lot in this particular forum, sorting through reports and moderating is a pretty thankless job and banlings are forgiven for getting frustrated and going ban-crazy every once in a while.
That's not to say that the ban being discussed in this thread is not justified (it is, full stop), but purges happen because having to constantly deal with internet stupidity really sucks.
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On October 24 2012 22:21 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 22:12 Praetorial wrote:
Personally I think the ban was justified, but KwarK should seriously lighten up.
It was bad enough when you went all emotional in the Libya topic after saying "I just spent several hours consoling someone who was killed, so I'm not in the mood to take any crap", and then banning/warning left and right. As noted quite a lot in this particular forum, sorting through reports and moderating is a pretty thankless job and banlings are forgiven for getting frustrated and going ban-crazy every once in a while. That's not to say that the ban being discussed in this thread is not justified (it is, full stop), but purges happen because having to constantly deal with internet stupidity really sucks.
Who knows, maybe banning is awesome for relieving stress? 
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Wow, when I first read the ban and banned post, I didn't know if your post was homophobic or not. It could be that you had some kind of pragmatic/politico-organizational reasons in mind (which is why some people that don't mind gay people don't want their favourite party to support gay marriage, etc). But then you add a derogatory comment about prancing (google images for "prancing" is pretty hilarious, btw) and spend what must have been hours on making comment after comment that reinforces the judgement that you're homophobic. *slow-clap*
I personally think Kwark is a bit of an asshole + Show Spoiler +he probably thinks worse about me, if he remembers me at all
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Lalalaland34490 Posts
On October 24 2012 22:40 Ghanburighan wrote:I personally think Kwark is a bit of an asshole + Show Spoiler +he probably thinks worse about me, if he remembers me at all , but GJ on banning this guy!
Kwark's girlfriend says he's the sweetest guy on Earth.
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On October 24 2012 22:46 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 22:40 Ghanburighan wrote:I personally think Kwark is a bit of an asshole + Show Spoiler +he probably thinks worse about me, if he remembers me at all , but GJ on banning this guy! Kwark's girlfriend says he's the sweetest guy on Earth.
How do you know this? O.o
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United States42557 Posts
On October 24 2012 22:53 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 22:46 Firebolt145 wrote:On October 24 2012 22:40 Ghanburighan wrote:I personally think Kwark is a bit of an asshole + Show Spoiler +he probably thinks worse about me, if he remembers me at all , but GJ on banning this guy! Kwark's girlfriend says he's the sweetest guy on Earth. How do you know this? O.o
Firebolt and I are friends. They're facebook buddies. I am the sweetest guy.
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On October 24 2012 23:29 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 22:53 Ghanburighan wrote:On October 24 2012 22:46 Firebolt145 wrote:On October 24 2012 22:40 Ghanburighan wrote:I personally think Kwark is a bit of an asshole + Show Spoiler +he probably thinks worse about me, if he remembers me at all , but GJ on banning this guy! Kwark's girlfriend says he's the sweetest guy on Earth. How do you know this? O.o Firebolt and I are friends. They're facebook buddies. I am the sweetest guy.
On the other hand, some people have described kwark as a "cheating grid tofu"
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Hyrule19031 Posts
I believe the technical term is "tofu grid faggy"
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On October 24 2012 21:12 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:59 KwarK wrote:
Police officer: "Well you could contact the police department or if you are unhappy with the law then I guess you could contact your representative or if you are unhappy with the way that one number can be higher than another then please contact the universe." As I read this part I expected a reference to myself. I was pleasantly disappointed.
While many people (other than yourself) would appreciate the reference you were expecting, it would neither fit into the story properly, and the humor would be missed by the vast majority of people who read that reply.
Also, lol. Kwark can be a bit of an asshole at times, but this was not one of them. But if you'd like, you can keep trying, it'll just be more entertaining for everyone else here.
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In case it hasn't been made sufficiently clear yet, OP, this is where your I-might-have-a-legitimate-reason-to-be-offended-by-KwarK's-attitude train went off the rails:
Homophobia? I said gay men should not lead boy scout troops. That qualifies as homophobia? Are you an omnipresent being who is capable of deciphering the motives, rationale and reasoning for the thoughts and opinions of others? How can you possibly determine, with absolute certainty, that I am homophobic merely for that opinion?
Secondly, you ASSUME I am implying something? Is that a fucking joke? You're banning people for what they're implying, even when they're not implying anything at all? Holy shit dude, get some fucking perspective. If you are a gay man, that's fine, but don't abuse your privilege as a mod on these forums to pursue your own pro-gay agenda.
My so-called "mod-history" is two temp bans from GMarshal for similar reasons; people abusing mod privileges to ban people whose opinions are not congruent with their own. Unbelievable man. Who do I contact for personal complaints?
I mean personally I'm all about fighting the power and sticking it to the man and protesting against TL groupthink all over this Website Feedback forum, but disrespecting a mod in the first PM you send him or her doesn't seem like the behavior of a level-headed and unfairly-maligned poster who received an unwarranted ban. Like Hot_Bid says, it just seems like further bannable behavior. Who knows? You might have had a leg to stand on if KwarK had been dismissive toward you out of the blue, rather than in response to your personal attacks on him. But you never gave him that option. You were shooting to kill from the jump.
Also I think the word you were looking for is "omniscient."
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Kwark definitely not the sweetest guy on earth. Also he is pretty bad at math. However, he is a good moderator, and this ban was definitely justified.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37021 Posts
On October 24 2012 13:07 Hot_Bid wrote:
After reviewing the ban and all your arguments I've decided to elevate Kwark to banling level 2.
Congrats Kwark on your promotion.
LOL! KwarK special icon gogo?
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On October 25 2012 05:37 SeeKeR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 13:07 Hot_Bid wrote:
After reviewing the ban and all your arguments I've decided to elevate Kwark to banling level 2.
Congrats Kwark on your promotion. LOL! KwarK special icon gogo?
He should get a glowing hammer. I nominate pink in honor of this topic.
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