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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
He is doing an amazing thing and raising money for the dieing children in Africa, he is currently at 290k towards his 1 million goal. With 81 days left out of the 100 that he originally started with. I really feel, and so do many, regardless of what you think of Athene, that awareness has to be raised around this project. Mods : if you do delete this without a response i will be seriously disappointed in how this forum is run. | ||
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Pillage
United States804 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
Read the 10 commandments for the forums. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
or to make a thread in the website feedback forum. This isnt really the right forum for this sort of thing. Sick im a reaver :O | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Falling
Canada11535 Posts
Insta-close Athene policy predates me being a banling so I don't really know. But it seems to me he's pariah on TL due to his attention seeking trolling. A charity event doesn't erase that. There's a lot of charities out there and TL doesn't need to suddenly back his. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Pretty terrible excuse to say that it doesnt "erase that" as if this actually has anything to do with athene, all he is doing is SUPPORTING the event by streaming every day and actually going on a hunger strike for 4 weeks. TL doesnt have to "back" anything, in fact, mods do actually LESS work than they are doing currently. This is a public forum, and it should act as such. I'm in no way am i attacking you Falling btw, im attacking TL's policy on this matter. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:22 Josh_rakoons wrote: Guess raising 290k isnt enough for the incredible ~$80,000 that the starcraft 2 community has ever raised put together. Pretty terrible excuse to say that it doesnt "erase that" as if this actually has anything to do with athene, all he is doing is SUPPORTING the event by streaming every day and actually going on a hunger strike for 4 weeks. TL doesnt have to "back" anything, in fact, mods do actually LESS work than they are doing currently. This is a public forum, and it should act as such. It's actually a public forum but under the rules and decisions of Team Liquid. It's a priviledge to post here, a very basic one, but a priviledge nonetheless. The reason Athene topics, of any kind, are typically dismissed is not because it's Athene (though, the two do overlap with previous topics being about him and really nothing much to discuss), but because TL doesn't want to be a space to plaster all forms of projects there. Athene's charity is great, all charities are! But to allow it on the forums would be to allow a non-community member's charities equally on the forums and then it builds from there. It needs to have an actual connection to Team Liquid beyond the umbrella of video-gaming. If Athene was someone active on the forums as well as within StarCraft II majorly, I don't know; maybe staff would be more lenient. That's my personal take on the issue Guess raising 290k in 19 days isnt enough for the incredible ~$80,000 that the starcraft 2 community has ever raised in its 2 year existence, glad to see TL being logical as always. He seems to be doing fine without a topic of it on Team Liquid :3 I'll try and reiterate with examples.
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Oh the irony. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:29 Josh_rakoons wrote: Yet, TL allows destiny to host his charity on TL. Oh the irony. No irony, Destiny comes from Team Liquid, performs interviews for Team Liquid and is personally intertwined with the community and on the forums (on top of that, he did a charity with Liquid Sheth, of course Team Liquid accepts that). The rationale stands. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:29 Josh_rakoons wrote: Yet, TL allows destiny to host his charity on TL. Does destiny post here? Like, ever? The only reason he comes to this website is for news and to stream, he doesnt add anything to the TL forums at all. Similar to athene. Oh the irony. Destiny is a member of this community, not someone that is basically a forbidden subject, kind of like Combat-EX or Deezer. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 It's not a public forum and so you have to view the rules as not entirely objective. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:32 Josh_rakoons wrote: TL is also not just a starcraft forum, as indicated by the "sports and games" subtopic that encompasses all popular games. Team Liquid is a community formed with StarCraft as its direction, but acknowledges subcultures and groups with diversified interests. So the commonality is that most people here enjoy StarCraft or support Team Liquid in one form or another. Sports and Games is acknowledging the variety of interests these members have (and accepting that their life and pastimes are more than just one game, but bridge friendships and relationships overcoming the singularity of it all). The rationale stands. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:32 Josh_rakoons wrote: TL is also not just a starcraft forum, as indicated by the "sports and games" subtopic that encompasses all popular games. Be that as it may but on TL any Athene thread = instant close. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:34 Cokefreak wrote: Be that as it may but on TL any Athene thread = instant close. He wants to know why. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204883 | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:39 Josh_rakoons wrote: I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of gaming charity events which have had threads on TL. Could be wrong, i have no evidence on this currently. Get some evidence, come back and hopefully we can either show you the difference or perhaps rectify the mistake. From my knowledge, there has been one in which it was personally supported by flicky: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173646 edit: and you did! | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:41 Josh_rakoons wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312784 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204883 Twitch.tv is directly involved with Team Liquid (sponsors the team and various other teams/players). They're the pinnacle of StarCraft II's growth and immersing into an established world. I have nothing to say about Mojam  http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=charity&t=t&f=-1&u=&gb=date&d= Choose some more! | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Please, please, keep making my point stronger, its great. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 09:50 Josh_rakoons wrote: That thread was made well before the sponsorship. Please, please, keep making my point stronger, its great. Even before the sponsorship, Twitch.tv is still a major contributor to the scene. Athene is not. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you. - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 It's not a public forum and so you have to view the rules as not entirely objective. I think we now know who's point is the strongest. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Release of twitch.tv : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=230868 (look at date) Keep on with the excuses, im hoping the next one will be as amusing as your last. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS472US472&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=charity forum If you want a forum for charities there you go. In ten seconds I found 146,000,000 options. Most of your comments in this thread just bash TL or complain. Why not try to be constructive if you are very passionate about this issue. Show the TL community that Athene cares, get an interview with him personally. PM a moderator your interview and discuss the possibility of gaining exposure for a great cause. None of these may work, but if so you cannot say you did not try. At this point you're just whining. *edit - Holy shit, you are not trying to help this situation at all are you? Ignorantly following policy? If you really care, be constructive and don't shit on this idea. You're wasting everyone's time. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Here ya go buddy, he's your "interview" - | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
So, it's not a question of ignorance, it's a question of choice. This isn't a democracy either, they decide the rules and if you don't like it; you can leave. I hope you don't, but that's really the bottom-line in my opinion. That's an opinion of course. | ||
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Falling
Canada11535 Posts
Hell's Angels donates teddies to hospitals, but we also don't care because they're Hell's Angels. Athene is neither of those, but who/what Athene is, TL does not care for. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
You did not read nor care about any of the replies. Good luck, maybe you'll force a policy change! | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On April 15 2012 10:05 Josh_rakoons wrote: The policy is inconsistent, is that not enough for it to be changed? Given the age, the rise and fall of trends and what people seek out of the community, I say its only natural and expected that the rules are inconsistent, especially given that they are on a subjective base. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
If its never going to be changed, its never going to be changed, but i lose a ton of respect to the people that even legitimately believe that this is "fair". | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On April 15 2012 10:13 Josh_rakoons wrote: I did listen to the points that were given, in my opinion, they were all incorrect, and were based on "its just TL policy". If its never going to be changed, its never going to be changed, but i lose a ton of respect to the people that even legitimately believe that this is "fair". Not everything in life is fair and this is the internet. Athene seems to be doing just fine without TL's help. Until we get someone who can actually tell where the no Athene policy comes from it's pointless to argue about this imo. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
The money he has raised so far is largely through 3 main sponsors, they all have given upwards of 10k each. And in athene's words "they have kept this event going", eventually, these people wont be able to give the kind of money that they have been giving. So athene is trying to reach out to online communities, especially gaming ones, to try and spread the support, but other forums have had the exact same response as TL's : "any thread involving athene = instant closed". I wanted to find out, specifically why TL decided to have this policy, and seeing that i'm quite involved in TL, i wanted to reach out and try to make a change, if i could. That basically summarises why i made this thread, if anyone was wondering. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
Well, now the post before your last post  | ||
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Athenewins
Belgium9 Posts
Just wanted to say thanks for the people that have brought this up and for the thread not being closed. The charity event is not about me, I couldn't care less wether I'm associated with it myself. That is why I have tried from the start to have sharecraft be a gaming event where I participate instead of an Athene event. But the lack of the response in the youtube / gaming world and the lack of seeing through my persona has been the main reasons that when sharecraft is mentioned, the threads end up being an Athene discussion. I hope that people will take there time to look into the charity and perhaps be inspired to help out wether it's through sharing or whatever. The hunger crisis is the worst in 60 years in the region and achieving such a big goal would raise the awarenes required to help kids out. We live at a time where no innocent childs should starve from hunger. | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On April 15 2012 11:10 Athenewins wrote: Hi everyone, Just wanted to say thanks for the people that have brought this up and for the thread not being closed. The charity event is not about me, I couldn't care less wether I'm associated with it myself. That is why I have tried from the start to have sharecraft be a gaming event where I participate instead of an Athene event. But the lack of the response in the youtube / gaming world and the lack of seeing through my persona has been the main reasons that when sharecraft is mentioned, the threads end up being an Athene discussion. I hope that people will take there time to look into the charity and perhaps be inspired to help out wether it's through sharing or whatever. The hunger crisis is the worst in 60 years in the region and achieving such a big goal would raise the awarenes required to help kids out. We live at a time where no innocent childs should starve from hunger. Hello Athene. So what's your opinion on the closing of the thread? | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
- and was extremely impressed. edit: emphasis on extremely. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
Also his fans are kinda ignorant on the fact that hes not even a pro gamer.. most of his fans actually believed he was the best sc2 pro gamer.. rofl. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On April 18 2012 03:01 TheToast wrote: Ummm.... who's Athene? User was warned for this post | ||
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Mastermyth
Netherlands207 Posts
On April 18 2012 01:54 SuperFanBoy wrote: Honestly, I don't trust his OPShareCraft fundraiser.. I thought the same at first but it goes through too many public channels, and is too big, to be a scam. The donations go through a website he doesn't own and then on to the charity organisation. He's had the owners of the charity live on his stream to talk about it, and the amount of money is so large now that he'd be risking his life if it turned out a troll/scam. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331129¤tpage=3#51 On April 21 2012 23:17 Plexa wrote: We've discussed this internally and we're going to allow this thread. Best of luck to Athene. | ||
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BoarsRbad
7 Posts
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BoarsRbad
7 Posts
User was banned for this post. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9646 Posts
On May 02 2012 00:52 BoarsRbad wrote: Because tl has become a business. A failing one at that, sad for such a great start when sc2 was released. I guess greedy and massive ego admins are quite the turn off for the gaming community. What are you talking about?????????????????? | ||
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