Seeing that there is not a "simple questions simple answers thread" for this subforum, i had to create a new topic, i would like to ask TL mods why any posts regarding Athene are instantly closed.
He is doing an amazing thing and raising money for the dieing children in Africa, he is currently at 290k towards his 1 million goal. With 81 days left out of the 100 that he originally started with.
I really feel, and so do many, regardless of what you think of Athene, that awareness has to be raised around this project.
Mods : if you do delete this without a response i will be seriously disappointed in how this forum is run.
A better place to ask this sort of question is either in here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86434 or to make a thread in the website feedback forum. This isnt really the right forum for this sort of thing. Sick im a reaver :O
Website feedback would be better. Do not use Ask TL staff anything- that's a get to know staff thread not a moderation complaint thread.
Insta-close Athene policy predates me being a banling so I don't really know. But it seems to me he's pariah on TL due to his attention seeking trolling. A charity event doesn't erase that. There's a lot of charities out there and TL doesn't need to suddenly back his.
Guess raising 290k in 19 days isnt enough for the incredible ~$80,000 that the starcraft 2 community has ever raised in its 2 year existence, glad to see TL being logical as always.
Pretty terrible excuse to say that it doesnt "erase that" as if this actually has anything to do with athene, all he is doing is SUPPORTING the event by streaming every day and actually going on a hunger strike for 4 weeks.
TL doesnt have to "back" anything, in fact, mods do actually LESS work than they are doing currently. This is a public forum, and it should act as such.
I'm in no way am i attacking you Falling btw, im attacking TL's policy on this matter.
On April 15 2012 09:22 Josh_rakoons wrote: Guess raising 290k isnt enough for the incredible ~$80,000 that the starcraft 2 community has ever raised put together.
Pretty terrible excuse to say that it doesnt "erase that" as if this actually has anything to do with athene, all he is doing is SUPPORTING the event by streaming every day and actually going on a hunger strike for 4 weeks.
TL doesnt have to "back" anything, in fact, mods do actually LESS work than they are doing currently. This is a public forum, and it should act as such.
It's actually a public forum but under the rules and decisions of Team Liquid. It's a priviledge to post here, a very basic one, but a priviledge nonetheless.
The reason Athene topics, of any kind, are typically dismissed is not because it's Athene (though, the two do overlap with previous topics being about him and really nothing much to discuss), but because TL doesn't want to be a space to plaster all forms of projects there. Athene's charity is great, all charities are! But to allow it on the forums would be to allow a non-community member's charities equally on the forums and then it builds from there.
It needs to have an actual connection to Team Liquid beyond the umbrella of video-gaming. If Athene was someone active on the forums as well as within StarCraft II majorly, I don't know; maybe staff would be more lenient.
That's my personal take on the issue
Guess raising 290k in 19 days isnt enough for the incredible ~$80,000 that the starcraft 2 community has ever raised in its 2 year existence, glad to see TL being logical as always.
He seems to be doing fine without a topic of it on Team Liquid :3
I'll try and reiterate with examples.
Previous Athene topic about how he was going to go to MLG and beat everyone/youtube video about his amazing endeavors posted by a variety of TL members = Closed 1. It's a YT link and no real discussion, 2. No real relevance, just entertainment and seeking attention.
Charity Athene topics = Closed 1. Yes, Athene is about it and his track record isn't great here, but importantly 2. Another charity event helping XYZ organization or world issue from someone who isn't really personally connected to TL nor has any real connection to even StarCraft in general which leads to the topic just becoming another advertisement about a charity. Doesn't matter how much money was raised and the person who is raising it becomes less relevant in this case.
Yet, TL allows destiny to host his charity on TL. Does destiny post here? Like, ever? The only reason he comes to this website is for news and to stream, he doesnt add anything to the TL forums at all. Similar to athene.
On April 15 2012 09:29 Josh_rakoons wrote: Yet, TL allows destiny to host his charity on TL.
Oh the irony.
No irony, Destiny comes from Team Liquid, performs interviews for Team Liquid and is personally intertwined with the community and on the forums (on top of that, he did a charity with Liquid Sheth, of course Team Liquid accepts that).
On April 15 2012 09:29 Josh_rakoons wrote: Yet, TL allows destiny to host his charity on TL. Does destiny post here? Like, ever? The only reason he comes to this website is for news and to stream, he doesnt add anything to the TL forums at all. Similar to athene.
Oh the irony.
Destiny is a member of this community, not someone that is basically a forbidden subject, kind of like Combat-EX or Deezer.
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you.
On April 15 2012 09:32 Josh_rakoons wrote: TL is also not just a starcraft forum, as indicated by the "sports and games" subtopic that encompasses all popular games.
Team Liquid is a community formed with StarCraft as its direction, but acknowledges subcultures and groups with diversified interests.
So the commonality is that most people here enjoy StarCraft or support Team Liquid in one form or another. Sports and Games is acknowledging the variety of interests these members have (and accepting that their life and pastimes are more than just one game, but bridge friendships and relationships overcoming the singularity of it all).
On April 15 2012 09:32 Josh_rakoons wrote: TL is also not just a starcraft forum, as indicated by the "sports and games" subtopic that encompasses all popular games.
Be that as it may but on TL any Athene thread = instant close.
On April 15 2012 09:32 Josh_rakoons wrote: TL is also not just a starcraft forum, as indicated by the "sports and games" subtopic that encompasses all popular games.
Be that as it may but on TL any Athene thread = instant close.
On April 15 2012 09:39 Josh_rakoons wrote: I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of gaming charity events which have had threads on TL. Could be wrong, i have no evidence on this currently.
Get some evidence, come back and hopefully we can either show you the difference or perhaps rectify the mistake. From my knowledge, there has been one in which it was personally supported by flicky: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=173646
Twitch.tv is directly involved with Team Liquid (sponsors the team and various other teams/players). They're the pinnacle of StarCraft II's growth and immersing into an established world.
You are our guests. We will make all attempts to treat everyone with due respect and to accommodate everyone's wishes as far as reasonably possible. But, this is a private site. We are not a "for profit" enterprise. We are not funded by any governments. This means we run the site the way we see fit. We are not obligated to observe anyone's notions of "free speech" or even "fairness." We try of course, and that's why we're consistently considered one of the best gaming sites on the web, and you are always free to give us suggestions (Website Feedback Forum). But, we have our limits. If we don't like you, we simply ban you.
WELL, this was fun and all, but is anything actually going to be done about this, or are just going to ignorantly follow by the TL policy without questioning and iterating upon it?
If you want a forum for charities there you go. In ten seconds I found 146,000,000 options. Most of your comments in this thread just bash TL or complain. Why not try to be constructive if you are very passionate about this issue.
Show the TL community that Athene cares, get an interview with him personally. PM a moderator your interview and discuss the possibility of gaining exposure for a great cause. None of these may work, but if so you cannot say you did not try.
At this point you're just whining.
*edit - Holy shit, you are not trying to help this situation at all are you? Ignorantly following policy? If you really care, be constructive and don't shit on this idea. You're wasting everyone's time.
Yeah I am because most laws and bills that are passed, it does affect me in a negative way, so I have no personal interest in fighting such decisions or policies.
So, it's not a question of ignorance, it's a question of choice. This isn't a democracy either, they decide the rules and if you don't like it; you can leave.
I hope you don't, but that's really the bottom-line in my opinion. That's an opinion of course.
Generally people asking for money from outside the community is frowned upon. 1 post wonders for instance. But character matters and past actions matter. If Combat ex suddenly had charity event, would that be great? Yes. Would TL care? No.
Hell's Angels donates teddies to hospitals, but we also don't care because they're Hell's Angels. Athene is neither of those, but who/what Athene is, TL does not care for.
On April 15 2012 10:05 Josh_rakoons wrote: The policy is inconsistent, is that not enough for it to be changed?
Given the age, the rise and fall of trends and what people seek out of the community, I say its only natural and expected that the rules are inconsistent, especially given that they are on a subjective base.
I did listen to the points that were given, in my opinion, they were all incorrect, and were based on "its just TL policy".
If its never going to be changed, its never going to be changed, but i lose a ton of respect to the people that even legitimately believe that this is "fair".
On April 15 2012 10:13 Josh_rakoons wrote: I did listen to the points that were given, in my opinion, they were all incorrect, and were based on "its just TL policy".
If its never going to be changed, its never going to be changed, but i lose a ton of respect to the people that even legitimately believe that this is "fair".
Not everything in life is fair and this is the internet. Athene seems to be doing just fine without TL's help. Until we get someone who can actually tell where the no Athene policy comes from it's pointless to argue about this imo.
I wont ask you to watch the video. But you can, because Athene explains it much better than i will.
The money he has raised so far is largely through 3 main sponsors, they all have given upwards of 10k each. And in athene's words "they have kept this event going", eventually, these people wont be able to give the kind of money that they have been giving. So athene is trying to reach out to online communities, especially gaming ones, to try and spread the support, but other forums have had the exact same response as TL's : "any thread involving athene = instant closed". I wanted to find out, specifically why TL decided to have this policy, and seeing that i'm quite involved in TL, i wanted to reach out and try to make a change, if i could.
That basically summarises why i made this thread, if anyone was wondering.
You are really fighting windmills here but I'm interested in finding out myself why Athene is a banned subject on TL, I do remember hearing all kinds of Athene related things back in my WoW days (yes I played it T_T).
You know what? This last post of you sound really ok and I hope you get a good answer. After your poor first posts where you were just agressive and martyring I really had a bad picture from you.
Just wanted to say thanks for the people that have brought this up and for the thread not being closed. The charity event is not about me, I couldn't care less wether I'm associated with it myself. That is why I have tried from the start to have sharecraft be a gaming event where I participate instead of an Athene event. But the lack of the response in the youtube / gaming world and the lack of seeing through my persona has been the main reasons that when sharecraft is mentioned, the threads end up being an Athene discussion. I hope that people will take there time to look into the charity and perhaps be inspired to help out wether it's through sharing or whatever. The hunger crisis is the worst in 60 years in the region and achieving such a big goal would raise the awarenes required to help kids out. We live at a time where no innocent childs should starve from hunger.
On April 15 2012 11:10 Athenewins wrote: Hi everyone,
Just wanted to say thanks for the people that have brought this up and for the thread not being closed. The charity event is not about me, I couldn't care less wether I'm associated with it myself. That is why I have tried from the start to have sharecraft be a gaming event where I participate instead of an Athene event. But the lack of the response in the youtube / gaming world and the lack of seeing through my persona has been the main reasons that when sharecraft is mentioned, the threads end up being an Athene discussion. I hope that people will take there time to look into the charity and perhaps be inspired to help out wether it's through sharing or whatever. The hunger crisis is the worst in 60 years in the region and achieving such a big goal would raise the awarenes required to help kids out. We live at a time where no innocent childs should starve from hunger.
Hello Athene.
So what's your opinion on the closing of the thread?
I'm pretty sure the policy stems from the fact that TL.net hates attention whores. I think Athene is funny sometimes, but that doesn't take away from the fact that he is an attention whore. Sure, this time it is for a great charity (and I think a thread on just the charity should be allowed), but usually, threads on Athene are just about some obnoxious statement or video he makes. It is the same with CombatEX. He was a really annoying and obnoxious attention whore, so he and all threads on him were banned. Then he started making SC2 video guides (they were actually pretty good), but because of his past, he and all threads on him are still banned.
Honestly, I don't trust his OPShareCraft fundraiser.. simply because back in the day he setup a website for university of gaming which he charged $1000 euro's for people to register.. at no point did he hint at it being a troll or anything, they had a fully created website for it and everything.. so if it wasn't a troll it was a scam.
Also his fans are kinda ignorant on the fact that hes not even a pro gamer.. most of his fans actually believed he was the best sc2 pro gamer.. rofl.
On April 18 2012 01:54 SuperFanBoy wrote: Honestly, I don't trust his OPShareCraft fundraiser..
I thought the same at first but it goes through too many public channels, and is too big, to be a scam. The donations go through a website he doesn't own and then on to the charity organisation. He's had the owners of the charity live on his stream to talk about it, and the amount of money is so large now that he'd be risking his life if it turned out a troll/scam.
Because tl has become a business. A failing one at that, sad for such a great start when sc2 was released. I guess greedy and massive ego admins are quite the turn off for the gaming community.
On May 02 2012 00:52 BoarsRbad wrote: Because tl has become a business. A failing one at that, sad for such a great start when sc2 was released. I guess greedy and massive ego admins are quite the turn off for the gaming community.