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KwarK
United States41364 Posts
Having no ideology doesn’t mean he’ll do nothing, it means he could do anything. Anyone with physical access to him can shape US policy in any area undoing decades of work. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States42980 Posts
On October 05 2024 06:51 Liquid`Drone wrote: yeah trump isn't trustworthy on anything and doesn't give a shit about the socially conservative /religious stuff he's just pandering and thus he's liable to pander if that's politically expedient. But tbh when you guys are talking about 'federal abortion ban' I imagine something that bans abortion, not something that bans abortion after 20 weeks unless the life of the mother is threatened or whatnot. I mean I still don't support that and I think women should be allowed to choose because it is my experience that virtually nobody frivolously has a late term abortion and punishing 97%+ of women who end up being forced to have one through making them jump through a bunch of hoops and making it all the more traumatizing because of some tiny fraction is imo kinda abhorrent - but even Norway - a pretty progressive country by most counts - only allows for abortions during the first 12 weeks entirely at the woman's discretion. If someone in Norway wants to have an abortion after 13 weeks they need to argue their case in front of a medical board. * Now in 2022 97.3% of those cases were approved, and more than 96% of abortions happen before 12 weeks. Also we're likely to increase 12 weeks to 18 weeks in the coming years, for the reasons stated. But I still don't think 'trump would sign a federal abortion ban' is the same as 'trump would sign a federal abortion ban on 20 week old fetuses'. Just to clarify: A federal abortion ban doesn't mean that zero abortions can occur. It means that the federal government is dictating what is and isn't permissible for all pregnant Americans, and the federal government could decide to ban all abortions after X weeks (and they could also put in exceptions, if they want, such as in the cases of rape, incest, and protection of the mother's life). That's what I'm talking about, that's what Trump is talking about, and that's pretty much what all Democratic and Republican lawmakers are talking about with the conversation of "federal abortion ban", as that means that not even the blue states (which protect abortion rights) are safe from a federal abortion ban that makes the final rules. The right to have an abortion - or the removal of that right in any capacity - can be decided at the federal level, or it could be left up to the states to individually decide if and when abortions are banned. Obviously, there is a stark difference between a federal abortion ban in the third trimester that still permits the exception of preserving the life of the mother (since only a fraction of 1% of abortions occur that late in pregnancy) and most Republican proposals that want a federal abortion ban within the first few months of pregnancy (which might even kick in before a woman knows she's pregnant and could even make a decision about her body, and would definitely affect most pregnancies). | ||
BlackJack
United States9751 Posts
On October 05 2024 06:51 Liquid`Drone wrote: - but even Norway - a pretty progressive country by most counts - only allows for abortions during the first 12 weeks entirely at the woman's discretion. If someone in Norway wants to have an abortion after 13 weeks they need to argue their case in front of a medical board. Pretty archaic by the American left's standards | ||
NewSunshine
United States5817 Posts
On October 05 2024 09:25 BlackJack wrote: Pretty archaic by the American left's standards Did you just ignore the context that followed that snippet so you could throw another barb at "the left"? If it's archaic, then Norway is likely to agree with that. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland22228 Posts
On October 05 2024 11:14 NewSunshine wrote: Did you just ignore the context that followed that snippet so you could throw another barb at "the left"? If it's archaic, then Norway is likely to agree with that. It strikes me as a reasonable observation, I found it surprising myself | ||
BlackJack
United States9751 Posts
On October 05 2024 11:14 NewSunshine wrote: Did you just ignore the context that followed that snippet so you could throw another barb at "the left"? If it's archaic, then Norway is likely to agree with that. Huh? Norway agrees their stance on abortion is archaic? | ||
Billyboy
68 Posts
On October 05 2024 11:26 BlackJack wrote: Huh? Norway agrees their stance on abortion is archaic? Yeah kind of, that is why Drone said they are likely changing it to be less archaic. | ||
BlackJack
United States9751 Posts
Still, an 18-week ban is still pretty archaic by the American left's standards. I think the default position now is that there should be no restrictions on abortions. | ||
Billyboy
68 Posts
On October 05 2024 11:39 BlackJack wrote: Oh, I actually didn't see that. Still, an 18-week ban is still pretty archaic by the American left's standards. I think the default position now is that there should be no restrictions on abortions. Meh, I think they would likely be very supportive the Norway system if they got the Norway board and healthcare system ran by a government they trusted. But we won't ever know for sure since neither of us are the American left. | ||
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