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On June 05 2021 11:46 buzz_bender wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2021 02:16 QOGQOG wrote: Korea has players like Armani and Zoun making surprise deep runs and other inconsistently great players like Bunny, Parting, and Dream (probably others I'm not thinking of) who could put something together and become top players. And with the exception of Trap, the current top players are pretty inconsistent.
While EU and NA aren't as bad as Latam or China, they are still pretty straightforward. While I think MaxPax is overhyped, it's not surprising that he is because people want someone new (especially a rare good EU Protoss) to enter the fight. The rise of Clem has at least made EU watchable rather than the "Serral vs Reynor is the only match that matters" setup it was before, but region locking a relatively small esport will inevitably result in these sorts of forgone conclusion tournaments. I think part of the issue is that the EU brackets are double elimination, compared to GSL and GSL ST whereby it's all single elimination. Since it's single-elimination, many KR have prepped strategies in certain maps against their opponents, it's much easier for upsets to happen. In EU, they don't have the chance to do that. That is also why we see more lop-sided series in Korea. I think Maru's lost to Rogue was also due to Rogue's strats and mind-games. You don't see the level of mindgames and strats and prep in the EU brackets, partially because it's also double-elimination. I think if you get rid of double elimination, you'll see more diversity at the top.
In theory, but even in the upper bracket matches where there is time to prep. you don't see any upsets. It's not really a matter of tournament format when Clem, Reynor, Serral simply don't ever lose playoff matches to any of the other non-Korean players in these DH Masters events (though they sometimes do in other events which is a bit strange since the pros seem to focus more prep. on Dreamhack). For that matter apart from a singular loss to Drogo, Heromarine also doesn't lose to any of the other non-Koreans.
Also the WCS events had single elim. brackets and they were just as stratified.
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On June 05 2021 02:16 QOGQOG wrote:
You're predicting consistency from Rogue? Good luck with that.
Korea has players like Armani and Zoun making surprise deep runs and other inconsistently great players like Bunny, Parting, and Dream (probably others I'm not thinking of) who could put something together and become top players. And with the exception of Trap, the current top players are pretty inconsistent.
While EU and NA aren't as bad as Latam or China, they are still pretty straightforward. While I think MaxPax is overhyped, it's not surprising that he is because people want someone new (especially a rare good EU Protoss) to enter the fight. The rise of Clem has at least made EU watchable rather than the "Serral vs Reynor is the only match that matters" setup it was before, but region locking a relatively small esport will inevitably result in these sorts of forgone conclusion tournaments.
Yeah, I though Rogue was "turning into a new leaf" after seeing how well he played even after the GSL code S Finals, beating Cure-Byun-Solar in convincing fashion. But then recently hes turning back to the old Rogue again, doing Roach Ravager in pretty much every single matches. So....whoopsie.
Maru and Trap have been the most consistent imo, making Top 4 and Finals in most of tournaments that they took part. The rest are looking amazing in some tournament, but not in the other. Like Cure, Parting and Byun who cant really get far in the GSL despite doing very well otherwise.
MaxPax limitation is his "gamesense", going for Glaive Adept in consecutive games were not effective, but the rest of his skill are very impressive. HM is also looking very solid, but he just need some big win that showcase his top-tier status in EU, his overall games isnt that bad comparing to Clem in the match last night, but HM was too agressive and losing units by dropping endlessly into Clem defensive position.
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holy bigness from HeroMarine
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Now Lambo beating Serral would be another thing entirely. When was the last time one of the greats lost at WCS/DH to anyone but eachother.
Would be amazing for Lambo too to finally beat the player he admires so much.
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Damn - poor Serral
He's definitely grown on me recently. I used to find him a bit too aloof for my personal taste (e.g., like an Innovation or Taeja), but it's nice to see him become more comfortable showing how he really feels recently (though unfortunately it comes out most often during losses)
Hope he can put up a fight this series
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Finally seeing some good old prepped strats in EU bracket! Lambo has some amazing mind-games against Serral!
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On June 06 2021 00:23 Bagration wrote: Damn - poor Serral
He's definitely grown on me recently. I used to find him a bit too aloof for my personal taste (e.g., like an Innovation or Taeja), but it's nice to see him become more comfortable showing how he really feels recently (though unfortunately it comes out most often during losses)
Hope he can put up a fight this series
Foreign players success generally evolve inversely proportionally to their social skills.
Also Lambo may be doing it!
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Lambo had this game if he killed Serral's morphing baneling cocoons with his own banelings.
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WOOOOOOOOOOO LAMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Someone give DeMuslim a hug, he needs it
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Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy for Lambo.
Poor Serral. ZvZ is such a bitch!
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Well look at that, Serral outside the top 4 of an EU event, who could have imagined.
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Historical result! Seems like this one is big enough as an upset to singlehandedly stop the discussion on EU's predictability.
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How long has it been since Serral won an EU event?
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Serral out of DH finals, can't believe it
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