DHM Summer 2021/22 - Regionals - Page 5
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DBooN
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Charoisaur
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On June 05 2021 01:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's the non-Korean scene in general. Only there do you get tournaments (e.g. 2019 WCS Fall) where almost the entire tournament could have been predicted from the start by WCS points alone (some bracket randomness did mean that Heromarine as number 6 did prevent Showtime as number 8 to make the top 8). This level of stratification is pretty boring. I think it has something to do with the european approach of (almost) always going for straight up macro games instead of the more aggressive korean style. Hard to upset someone when you just play standard every game | ||
ZigguratOfUr
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On June 05 2021 02:02 tigera6 wrote: Well, its improving continuously though. Remember how Serral dominate everything in 2018 and early 2019? Then Reynor jump out and challenge Serral in 2019, and then Clem stepped up to fight both of them in 2020 and now we have MaxPax raising quickly through the rank. I think its pretty exciting comparing to before. And to be honest, I dont think the KR scence will be that much more exciting where Rogue/Trap/Maru will probably always be in the top 4 minus any major upset. Then we get the rest of the players fighting to that Ro4 spot like Inno/Cure/Zest... KR just has a lot more runs from weaker players. Like you see sOs or Dream or Zoun make a top 4. Meanwhile in the non-Korean scene that happens a lot less--players perform at the level you expect them to, and rarely are able to beat players that are better than them on paper. edit: Marinelord made one last year, but apart from that it's Heromarine that gets fourth and (Clem, Serral, Reynor) that get top three every time. | ||
dbRic1203
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Would be even better, if Max survived into the Top 6, but this is still a remarkable result for him. Can t wait for Next and TSL | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15615 Posts
On June 05 2021 02:02 tigera6 wrote: And to be honest, I dont think the KR scence will be that much more exciting where Rogue/Trap/Maru will probably always be in the top 4 minus any major upset. Then we get the rest of the players fighting to that Ro4 spot like Inno/Cure/Zest... Replace Rogue with Dark. Rogue doesn't get to the ro4 that often, it's only when he does, he ends up winning | ||
QOGQOG
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On June 05 2021 02:02 tigera6 wrote: Well, its improving continuously though. Remember how Serral dominate everything in 2018 and early 2019? Then Reynor jump out and challenge Serral in 2019, and then Clem stepped up to fight both of them in 2020 and now we have MaxPax raising quickly through the rank. I think its pretty exciting comparing to before. And to be honest, I dont think the KR scence will be that much more exciting where Rogue/Trap/Maru will probably always be in the top 4 minus any major upset. Then we get the rest of the players fighting to that Ro4 spot like Inno/Cure/Zest... You're predicting consistency from Rogue? Good luck with that. Korea has players like Armani and Zoun making surprise deep runs and other inconsistently great players like Bunny, Parting, and Dream (probably others I'm not thinking of) who could put something together and become top players. And with the exception of Trap, the current top players are pretty inconsistent. While EU and NA aren't as bad as Latam or China, they are still pretty straightforward. While I think MaxPax is overhyped, it's not surprising that he is because people want someone new (especially a rare good EU Protoss) to enter the fight. The rise of Clem has at least made EU watchable rather than the "Serral vs Reynor is the only match that matters" setup it was before, but region locking a relatively small esport will inevitably result in these sorts of forgone conclusion tournaments. | ||
dysenterymd
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Xamo
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On June 05 2021 02:29 dysenterymd wrote: EU scene has been extremely stable, I actually think the person most likely to break the Serral/Reynor/Clem triumvirate right now is Heromarine. Heromarine has stopped being boringly consistent lately, he's had a few above average performances (mainly making it out of his group in Katowice) and has been destroying other players in the second tier of EU players this tournament. I still think Serral/Reynor/Clem are going to win all of the EU events this year though. Getting an upset against Serral/Reynor is going to be a lot harder than beating Clem in TvT of course. HeRoMaRinE thrives in online play. I feel that he needs to win right now... when matches are offline again he may struggle. | ||
ZigguratOfUr
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On June 05 2021 02:29 dysenterymd wrote: EU scene has been extremely stable, I actually think the person most likely to break the Serral/Reynor/Clem triumvirate right now is Heromarine. Heromarine has stopped being boringly consistent lately, he's had a few above average performances (mainly making it out of his group in Katowice) and has been destroying other players in the second tier of EU players this tournament. I still think Serral/Reynor/Clem are going to win all of the EU events this year though. Getting an upset against Serral/Reynor is going to be a lot harder than beating Clem in TvT of course. He is quite clearly been the fourth best player in Europe for a while now, so it's pretty logical that he'd be the most likely to break into the top 3, but I'm having a hard time believing in his chances. Crushing every other player in Europe seems to mean very little given his (probably undeserved) reputation of always beating players worse than him while losing to those better than him. edit: He does have a golden opportunity in the upcoming TvT against Clem though. | ||
AzAlexZ
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ZigguratOfUr
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On June 05 2021 03:17 AzAlexZ wrote: Is Reynor just better than Serral now in terms of H2H? Can't remember the last time Serral won vs him As mentioned by the casters Serral won their last encounter in the TSL qualifiers. But apart from that Reynor has really had his number. | ||
Xamo
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AzAlexZ
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? They weren't in the same group? Edit: lol Edit 2: This kid Reynor is just too good | ||
Starcloud
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ZigguratOfUr
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Argonauta
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Argonauta
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buzz_bender
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On June 05 2021 02:16 QOGQOG wrote: Korea has players like Armani and Zoun making surprise deep runs and other inconsistently great players like Bunny, Parting, and Dream (probably others I'm not thinking of) who could put something together and become top players. And with the exception of Trap, the current top players are pretty inconsistent. While EU and NA aren't as bad as Latam or China, they are still pretty straightforward. While I think MaxPax is overhyped, it's not surprising that he is because people want someone new (especially a rare good EU Protoss) to enter the fight. The rise of Clem has at least made EU watchable rather than the "Serral vs Reynor is the only match that matters" setup it was before, but region locking a relatively small esport will inevitably result in these sorts of forgone conclusion tournaments. I think part of the issue is that the EU brackets are double elimination, compared to GSL and GSL ST whereby it's all single elimination. Since it's single-elimination, many KR have prepped strategies in certain maps against their opponents, it's much easier for upsets to happen. In EU, they don't have the chance to do that. That is also why we see more lop-sided series in Korea. I think Maru's lost to Rogue was also due to Rogue's strats and mind-games. You don't see the level of mindgames and strats and prep in the EU brackets, partially because it's also double-elimination. I think if you get rid of double elimination, you'll see more diversity at the top. | ||
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