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Jealous thx 4 translate, but the meaning does not change. i start conversation with "hey Casper, bookmaker accept bets on you vs kenzy!" and screenshot logs started - "wheres the link to the bets" from Casper
rus_brain ban tresha with dummy reason (Tresha just offered the conditions for his arrival to LAN tournament) Rus_brain make ban report. + Show Spoiler +https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ueDkwFJZv1EMF--ZyAV3DrlsxUZTO_gMvCN-kILcRrQ/edit
Larva also offered the conditionss for his arrival and and not coming = no report (because Larva is a big name in SC-community? not the same with Tresha?)
I am not investigating this, ZZZero and Rus_Brain can request FULL LOGS from blizzard, but mishin get ban without this procedure and with no proofs to sc-community.
To ban Casper i should hire detective? rofl
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On February 05 2021 00:32 die_hard wrote:
To ban Casper i should hire detective? rofl
Rus_Brain: Yes
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Casper aka BSL-GRIMEBOSS ACCEPT offer and probably BET against himself.
PROBABLY is a high value word in this sentence. We don't have any other prove beside your battle.net screen shot of a conversation from 2019.
ZZZero notifed about this 5 days ago, but still no restrictions, GRIMEBOSS still play BSL11 Ladder.
Fair? not sure
I'm in the middle of investigation in this matter, I've sent a few messages and e-mails and waiting for information, however I have much more important things to do (like running BSL Season and prepare for casts) than handling things which arebased on word probably.
you can make request to full LOG list from blizzard, to proof my screenshot is legit. next casper get 1xbet url and probably bet!
I know what I can do and it's impossible for me to get this kind of information from Blizzard. You can do it and send me the result if you can.
ZZZero and Casper also meet IRL (corrupted cup in Moscow) and also justify GRIMEBOSS, still no restrict but noname mishin instantly banned
Muhahahaha :D Case solved, Casper paid me enough. (for the bet he made before we meet) :D:D
On the other hand: You kept it for so long, and released it after two years, because you got into a fight with Casper. Isn't it making you a hypocrite? To be honest, it would be easy to make this decision for me, Casper has been playing in BSL for a long time, he is definitely the worst person in the entire BSL history to cooperate with, a serious nightmare, but still does not deserve to be banned without proof. That's why in this topic I will implement the rule "stop making stupid people famous" and allow myself not to comment on this case before I will got some more informations and make a decision.
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On February 05 2021 00:32 die_hard wrote: Jealous thx 4 translate, but the meaning does not change. Actually, the meaning changes quite significantly. Compare your translation:
Casper: "I bet right now" You: "did you bet against urself?"
With the ACTUAL, correct translation:
Casper: "I will place them right now" You: "You will bet against yourself?"
Please note that I am making my original translation less colloquial by changing "going to" into "will", which has no difference in meaning, for purposes of clarification
In the original text, it is clearly future tense, whereas your translation implies present and past tense. It is an incredibly important distinction. Your translation infers that the bet was already placed and Casper admitted to it, while the CORRECT translation is as I said: a hypothetical. To make it clearer, how do you know he didn't just tell you that he would do it in hopes of you fucking off and leaving him alone?
Or, to give an example illustrating the difference: if my father asks me "Did you take out the trash?" and I say "Yes" then that trash better be outside RIGHT NOW or there will be problems. If he asks "Will you take out the trash?" and I say "Yes," that means I still have time to forget and get in trouble.
I am not really sure why I am explaining this to you to be honest, I assume you speak Russian and know what he said... "Postavlu" is not "Postavil." Simple as that.
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On February 04 2021 20:44 die_hard wrote:
Fair? not sure
Maybe try to buy fairness in form of a donation to the RCG2021 prizepool or something. If you don't have the money bet against yourself in the qualifiers, like if you can't beat them join them kind-of-thing. Just brainstorming.
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It's just hard to find 100% evidence against a lot of the accusations against him.
Do I believe him to be stream sniping or cheating in some way? Yes, I do. I've seen multiple replays of him doing things that make absolutely no sense with what he's scouted but make 100% sense vs what's actually happening.
Do I think he should be banned? No, unless there's more evidence that pops up.
There is something VERY easy that he can do though to dispel these rumors. He should stream on his BSL account. He streams here and there on a 2200~ barcode, but will not stream on the actual account he needs to ladder on to qualify. If he streams on that account, holds 2400~ rating, it proves that he's actually that level and dispels any doubt.
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thx for answer mr.ZZZero, idk why you stop answer me in discord. mishin got banned after showing logs, right? logs from player who get offer from mishin? show us all messages from mishin, based on which you banned him
not enough to ban.ok. because its is CASPER GRIMEBOSS WE MEET IRL 2400mmr TERRAN
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Jealous I did not claim that he made a bet
next casper get 1xbet url and probably bet!
your translation implies present and past tense. right, but you should made bet before the games
Upd: I don’t understand why you stuck at the time of the bet. the log shows that he found out about it now he can bet immediatly, or 15 min before start the games
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Russian Federation344 Posts
looks like one of the precogs seeing minority report again
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Incredible thread: banter, miss-use of English, some accusations, some bad blood, sketchy pixalted screen-shots...
Very entertaining stuff.
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On February 05 2021 00:55 die_hard wrote:JealousI did not claim that he made a bet right, but you should made bet before the games Upd: I don’t understand why you stuck at the time of the bet. the log shows that he found out about it now he can bet immediatly, or 15 min before start the games Because if he said that he already made the bet, that means that he is admitting to having done so. If he says he will make the bet, that doesn't mean anything, because he could just be saying that to get you to leave him alone, and he never actually places it. He never tells you that he did place the bet. That's why tense is important, not timing. Again, if you ask me "Did you finish clearing your driveway?" I will say "No" because I didn't finish yet. If you ask me "Will you finish clearing your driveway?" I will say "Yes" because it has yet to be done and I plan on doing it, but whether or not I do it is not determined.
Like I said, it feels sketchy regardless, but there is no admission of guilt.
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Jealous ask ZZZero 4 proofs to instantly permaban mishin (he just offer to bet?)
not enough
grimeboss give us ur bank or bet history from 2019!
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I WAS HERE.
User was warned for this post
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Russian Federation1888 Posts
Die_hard, could you please witness you are not connected to this "mishin" guy?
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Am I understanding this correctly that the poster of the screenshots (die_hard) actually is the one having the discussion with Casper enticing/informing him that he could place this bet??
Why is something from BSL6 coming up now? Do not really get it tbh..
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On February 05 2021 01:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Am I understanding this correctly that the poster of the screenshots (die_hard) actually is the one having the discussion with Casper enticing/informing him that he could place this bet??
That's my understanding too LOL
On February 05 2021 01:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote: Why is something from BSL6 coming up now? Do not really get it tbh..
Because they probably had a fight
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On February 05 2021 01:26 Rus_Brain wrote: Die_hard, could you please witness you are not connected to this "mishin" guy? The only reason I was interested in "mishin" was because I thought we were talking about the ICCup grinding legend who is like D level skills, I was wondering "why would mishin be banned" LOL
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Rus_Brain can you explain difference between Tresha and Larva situation. You already buy air-tickets for Larva, but he didnt come. Why no ban-report, but Tresha does?
Same situation from ZZZero with Casper and Mishin noname Mishin get ban instantly with only chat logs as proof, but Casper case need additional investigation. Ok whatever. this Log 100% legit i swear. case closed due to statute of limitations. Grimeboss manner with clear reputation guy. GL & HF
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TLADT24918 Posts
We take matchfixing allegations seriously on TL. However, we also require actual proof rather than speculation, as jealous pointed out above with his explanation of the different tenses used, therefore this thread is closed until solid proof can be provided.
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