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On October 25 2019 15:30 Xain0n wrote: Overflowing hypocrisy.
ZvP's imbalance is well known; it's partially a consequence of the ridicolous wave of senseless whine against Protoss earlier this year(you were so happy to see Protoss nerfed back then, weren't you?), and it will be fixed after BlizzCon.
Blaming Serral for 3-0ing Stats while, if Rogue or Dark were the ones who did, I would be reading how godlike and skilled they are... Did you read the LR yesterday?
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On October 25 2019 15:47 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:47 JoeCool wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 dysenterymd wrote: Serral did win there with really good muta ling bane for what it's worth. Doesn't mean zerg isn't OP, just means Serral is more than a patch zerg To be fair it's not like everything is OP about Zerg. It's mostly Nydus and Blord/Infestor that needs to be looked at. However none of these were critical in G1... TvZ is considered pretty balanced is it not?
Relative to ZvP at least. I think infestor broodlord is still really hard to beat, but nydus isn't quite as overwhelming mid game. Would still consider it slightly zerg favoured.
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On October 25 2019 15:47 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:47 JoeCool wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 dysenterymd wrote: Serral did win there with really good muta ling bane for what it's worth. Doesn't mean zerg isn't OP, just means Serral is more than a patch zerg To be fair it's not like everything is OP about Zerg. It's mostly Nydus and Blord/Infestor that needs to be looked at. However none of these were critical in G1... TvZ is considered pretty balanced is it not?
It's not too bad.
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On October 25 2019 15:40 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:37 dysenterymd wrote: Zerg is powerful right now, but balance is far from historically bad. Some stats suggest this is actually worse than broodlord infestor 1.0.
You gave me some bad idea. + Show Spoiler +
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On October 25 2019 15:48 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support Mutalisks are garbage. They are shit at what they are supposed to do and worse at everything else. They need separated upgrades and use the most expensive tech building in the game. Mutalisks are garbage. They should make mutas 75/75 and proceed to destroy infestors, SHs and Nydus.
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On October 25 2019 15:48 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support Mutalisks are garbage. They are shit at what they are supposed to do and worse at everything else. They need separated upgrades and use the most expensive tech building in the game. Mutalisks are garbage.
regardless of whether mutas are garbage or not
i dont know why anyone would compare them to hydras
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What would people think about Nydus requiring infestation pit? I think Nydus versus protoss is very tempo based, and if you gave toss a bit more time to prepare it might make it a lot more manageable mid game
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On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support
Well, usually you have to make a choice between mutas and hydras because of the gas hence my comparaison. I thought you would understand that but whatever.
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On October 25 2019 15:49 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:48 Ej_ wrote:On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support Mutalisks are garbage. They are shit at what they are supposed to do and worse at everything else. They need separated upgrades and use the most expensive tech building in the game. Mutalisks are garbage. regardless of whether mutas are garbage or not i dont know why anyone would compare them to hydras Because hydras are the alternative lair tech option in ZvT that has surfaced after their multiple buffs in LotV and seems to consistently outperform mutas, except on very big and choky maps (eg Eastwatch)
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On October 25 2019 15:49 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:48 Ej_ wrote:On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support Mutalisks are garbage. They are shit at what they are supposed to do and worse at everything else. They need separated upgrades and use the most expensive tech building in the game. Mutalisks are garbage. They should make mutas 75/75 and proceed to destroy infestors, SHs and Nydus.
They'd still die to a spore in 2.5 seconds, so maybe that would be more reasonable (in ZvZ) than it sounds.
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The last 2 korean blizzcon winners have lost their initial match to a foreigner
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On October 25 2019 15:51 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:49 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:48 Ej_ wrote:On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support Mutalisks are garbage. They are shit at what they are supposed to do and worse at everything else. They need separated upgrades and use the most expensive tech building in the game. Mutalisks are garbage. regardless of whether mutas are garbage or not i dont know why anyone would compare them to hydras Because hydras are the alternative lair tech option in ZvT that has surfaced after their multiple buffs in LotV and seems to consistently outperform mutas, except on very big and choky maps (eg Eastwatch)
Not completely sure, but Disco might be one of those maps. Hard to say with ravagers being so much more popular than hydras as is.
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Tastosis playing a game of "who can say time the most times"
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Yikes, this isn't looking good for Time. Serral has been pretty vocal that being down 20 supply is fine as long as you have decent creep spread against Terran, and he's up about 20 supply with great creep spread...
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I got a question.What's the shorthand of armor or attack upgrade?For example,how do you call "Infantry Armor Level 3"?
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On October 25 2019 15:55 FBTsingLoong wrote: I got a question.What's the shorthand of armor or attack upgrade?For example,how do you call "Infantry Armor Level 3"? +3 armor
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On October 25 2019 15:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2019 15:49 Morbidius wrote:On October 25 2019 15:48 Ej_ wrote:On October 25 2019 15:46 BerserkSword wrote:On October 25 2019 15:43 stilt wrote: Mutas needs to be in mass, cost 50 gas more than hydras, have a low range, only long-ass air upgrads, they just demonstrated their potential but in the current meta, hydras seem way more stable and reasonnable to use. is this a real post? they perform completely different roles mutas dont have to worry about tanks, hellbats, marauders, chargelots, adepts, immortals, colossi, etc... mutas have unmatched mobility hydras are a backbone ground unit. mutas are for harass/support Mutalisks are garbage. They are shit at what they are supposed to do and worse at everything else. They need separated upgrades and use the most expensive tech building in the game. Mutalisks are garbage. They should make mutas 75/75 and proceed to destroy infestors, SHs and Nydus. They'd still die to a spore in 2.5 seconds, so maybe that would be more reasonable (in ZvZ) than it sounds.
Mutas flock would became insanely strong. I trade an heavy nerf of hydras and bl for a buff on the spire time building and air upgrads tho.
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the way Serral play in the 2nd game with the bane drops is extremely taxing for the terran to handle.
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"theres no way in" - nydus pops immediately actual comedic genius
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On October 25 2019 15:53 Charoisaur wrote: The last 2 korean blizzcon winners have lost their initial match to a foreigner Did they then go against one of the best players in the world and one of their nemesis? (Maru is equal in games against Stats and losing in mthe map score)
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