NBA Playoffs + Finals 2019 - Page 21
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Jerubaal
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cLutZ
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On May 17 2019 11:42 xDaunt wrote: The Warriors are more fun without Durant. Duh. They are also a worse team. Unfortunately this Blazers team doesn't have a single physical wing on the team. They'd be better off trading Lillard for Delladadova in this series, that is how embarrassing their defense is. | ||
ZenithM
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And of course in these playoffs they have no good defensive big. | ||
JimmiC
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On May 17 2019 10:21 cLutZ wrote: The sixers "tank" was just avoiding overpaying for mediocre veterans. Its just smart roster building. What the Lakers/Pelicans did was intentionally reduce the number of games they would end up winning, given the roster they had. The kings and the hawks? The kings core is Bagley and Fox, two lotto picks. They were hopeless for years. Plus, more likely than not in a few years people are going to be making fun of them for having overpaid Stein and Bogdonovich and stalling out at 47 wins and a first round exit. The hawks? They won 29 games they aren't good. They might make the playoffs one day with that core. But you could make the playoffs with the Bulls shitty core, or the Suns, or any of these crappy teams. All you have to do is overpay for a few 29 year old guys in free agency. The difficulty is getting a core that can win playoff series. Neither of your "good examples" has that. They didn't just not overpay pay veterans they traded away good young players, like Jrue Holiday, so they could be as horrible as possible and on top of that they announced to the NBA and fans that this was the plan. Talk to me when the Hawks trade away Collins and Trae young. If you like that and think it is good for basketball I disagree, so does the NBA, this is why they changed the rules. The reality is no matter what there are going to be bad teams, they can't all be good that is just how sports work, it is like grading on the curve you can't all be A's or F's. But you want as many competitive games as possible both regular season and playoffs so people actually want to watch. The championship or last theory is just wrong. Hell the Sixer who you think is so good added a top 10 and top 20 player and still were worse then the Deronzen lead Rpas who was one of the examples of what you think teams shouldn't do. But the Raps were great to watch for the last decade, sold out arenas build basketball in Canada, so on and so on. | ||
cLutZ
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/fatigue-setting-raptors-core-rotation-expansion-unlikely/ But it’s instructive when Lowry was asked about what a tired team looks the symptoms were there: “You see it everywhere,” Lowry said. “You see it mentally. You see it on the court. Shots are short, shots are long. You make some small mental mistakes. Give up a backdoor. You do this, you do that. There are a bunch of different ways you can find the mistakes. But those are excuses that we don’t make.” in just 1 year the Raptors have gone from the deepest bench in the NBA to a team with a head coach that has almost zero trust for his bench players. When a coach//authority-figure does not trust a player it can really chip away at that player's confidence. | ||
Jerubaal
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Maybe take about 20% off there, eh Bud? | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On May 18 2019 10:35 Jerubaal wrote: Raptors really shitting the bed. meh, Milwaukee is just flat out better. | ||
Jerubaal
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JimmyJRaynor
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On May 18 2019 10:43 Jerubaal wrote: Did Shaq just make a racial joke? the Raptors are getting slaughtered so badly...on the Canadian half time show they are talking about "The Fonze" , "Happy Days" and "Laverne & Shirley". | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
On May 18 2019 10:43 Jerubaal wrote: Did Shaq just make a racial joke? Watch the canadian feed so no clue, but sounds very likely. Charles was telling his bar fight story the last game. | ||
Jerubaal
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JimmyJRaynor
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i'm luvin' this full court press by the Bucks. its a mistake by Nick Nurse to give Kawhi Leonard and the other starters more than 36 minutes of playing time in this game. Get the starters off the floor and give them some rest. | ||
andrewlt
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On May 17 2019 19:57 JimmiC wrote: They didn't just not overpay pay veterans they traded away good young players, like Jrue Holiday, so they could be as horrible as possible and on top of that they announced to the NBA and fans that this was the plan. Talk to me when the Hawks trade away Collins and Trae young. If you like that and think it is good for basketball I disagree, so does the NBA, this is why they changed the rules. The reality is no matter what there are going to be bad teams, they can't all be good that is just how sports work, it is like grading on the curve you can't all be A's or F's. But you want as many competitive games as possible both regular season and playoffs so people actually want to watch. The championship or last theory is just wrong. Hell the Sixer who you think is so good added a top 10 and top 20 player and still were worse then the Deronzen lead Rpas who was one of the examples of what you think teams shouldn't do. But the Raps were great to watch for the last decade, sold out arenas build basketball in Canada, so on and so on. Remember when the Hawks had 4 All-stars? They got rid of them all like dominoes. What is that if not tanking? The difference is the Sixers had a plan to create a core of good players of roughly the same age. And even with their multi-year tanking plan, they got back to the playoffs faster than teams such as the Knicks, Kings and T-wolves. Trying and failing to make the playoffs for 15 years is not healthy. The Ranadive Kings are a complete disaster. They started showing promise because they've been in the lottery for twice as long as the Sixers' tank plan. And even with the Sixers' tank plan, they don't even have the worst record this decade. I believe that's the Knicks. The new lottery rules incentivizes teams to start tanking mid-season once they fail to reach their targets. Unless you think Lebron's groin injury is a highly contagious disease, the Lakers definitely tanked. So did the Pelicans and the Grizzlies. Those games they had from February onward were definitely not competitive. Not every team needs to be championship or bust, I agree. But there's a huge difference between teams that continually get to the 2nd-3rd rounds like the Raptors and teams that top out in the 1st round if they're lucky. If 1st round is your ceiling in a good year, you might as well rebuild. And let's face it, "rebuilding" is what people call tanking with enough of a smokescreen that they find it acceptable. | ||
Jerubaal
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JimmyJRaynor
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On May 18 2019 12:07 andrewlt wrote: Unless you think Lebron's groin injury is a highly contagious disease, the Lakers definitely tanked. i think Ingram's blood clot is legit. i don't think they made it up in order to "tank". Had it been some kind of strain or sprain they could exaggerate its severity... but faking a blood clot? nah. On May 18 2019 12:07 andrewlt wrote: Remember when the Hawks had 4 All-stars? They got rid of them all like dominoes. What is that if not tanking? they got rid of Carroll? or did they wisely choose not to match Toronto's offer because they knew how fucked his knees were? not matching Toronto's offer for Carroll is not "tanking". "tank" is an informal word and you can just play with its definition in whatever way you want to label every move a team makes as a "tank" | ||
cLutZ
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1. Not paying mid teir veterans in free agency. 2. Sitting your best players in season. #1. Is actually a saavy move in most cases, but its the one JJ hates the most. For some reason he thinks teams need to sign more contracts like the Lakers-Deng or Pistons-Reggie Jackson. Having lots of bad contracts would be bad in any system: 1-30 draft, weighted lotto, pure random lotto, or free agency. #2. Is only saavy because of the lottery. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
On May 18 2019 12:07 andrewlt wrote: Remember when the Hawks had 4 All-stars? They got rid of them all like dominoes. What is that if not tanking? The difference is the Sixers had a plan to create a core of good players of roughly the same age. And even with their multi-year tanking plan, they got back to the playoffs faster than teams such as the Knicks, Kings and T-wolves. Trying and failing to make the playoffs for 15 years is not healthy. The Ranadive Kings are a complete disaster. They started showing promise because they've been in the lottery for twice as long as the Sixers' tank plan. And even with the Sixers' tank plan, they don't even have the worst record this decade. I believe that's the Knicks. The new lottery rules incentivizes teams to start tanking mid-season once they fail to reach their targets. Unless you think Lebron's groin injury is a highly contagious disease, the Lakers definitely tanked. So did the Pelicans and the Grizzlies. Those games they had from February onward were definitely not competitive. Not every team needs to be championship or bust, I agree. But there's a huge difference between teams that continually get to the 2nd-3rd rounds like the Raptors and teams that top out in the 1st round if they're lucky. If 1st round is your ceiling in a good year, you might as well rebuild. And let's face it, "rebuilding" is what people call tanking with enough of a smokescreen that they find it acceptable. Tanking at 80% of the way through the season is 80% (or more) better then tanking for seasons on seasons end. Hawks lost key players they tried to resign their most important player Al Horford who choose to leave for FA. Otherwise they would have kept trying to win. Now the lottery is actually a exciting night, so for a an entertainment product that is better. There is always going to be bad franchises, who make bad decisions, no matter what you do only 16 make the playoffs and 1 wins the championship. You want the maximum number of teams trying to do both. Also, a terrible team that is trying to get better, like the hawks or Mavs this year actually sells tickets and is fun to watch. The Sixers were brutal. Because so many liked the idea and thought it was good, and the Sixers were so public with it they forced the NBA's hand. One of the main reasons the NFL is the number one sport is every team feels like they are a couple moves from competing. The reality is there is no more turn over than other sports. Perception does matter, especially in the entertainment industry. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15569 Posts
On May 18 2019 15:51 cLutZ wrote: Tanking is 2 things: 1. Not paying mid teir veterans in free agency. Letting Carroll go was a smart move due to his injury history. They knew the medical status of their player better than anyone else. Toronto overpaid Carroll. It took bundling TWO 1st round picks with Carroll to unload his contract. Letting Toronto overpay Carroll was not step 1 in Atlanta's "tank". | ||
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