How does WCS points works ? Do foreigners earn gsl points while playing in GSL ? Are WCS points changed when a foreigner player is there ?
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
How does WCS points works ? Do foreigners earn gsl points while playing in GSL ? Are WCS points changed when a foreigner player is there ? | ||
Geo.Rion
7375 Posts
On December 14 2018 16:48 FFW_Rude wrote: I have a question regarding this. How does WCS points works ? Do foreigners earn gsl points while playing in GSL ? Are WCS points changed when a foreigner player is there ? Foreigners can earn Korea-WCS points, but they are not added to the WCS-circuit points. Those 2 are separate, so it is possible for someone to be ranked on both lists (yet not make it to the finals, example Scarlett) | ||
Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
On December 14 2018 16:48 FFW_Rude wrote: I have a question regarding this. How does WCS points works ? Do foreigners earn gsl points while playing in GSL ? Are WCS points changed when a foreigner player is there ? They are separate circuits so they do not add up. If you play GSL you just get "GSL" points (WCS-Korea points), and when trying to qualify for Blizzcon you have to choose one circuit. Like if you have 1500 GSL points and 1500 WCS points from playing in both circuits, and Blizzcon cut is 2000, you won't make it. | ||
Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On December 13 2018 17:37 dummy1 wrote: Two-faced people. Paid by Blizzard. Honour and dignity < money, status and selfishness. User was warned for this post i second this, why was this for warning? it is obvious new talent in kr is being stifled by this system and we pretend that it is not happening. we need new kr blood in the system but we lock them to compete against much better players. why is this censored? edit: having read the whole thread i stand by my post; let the best players compete, kr or not. i think we have established that the foreigners can still compete amongst themselves and against koreans so what is the big deal. no point in stomping on up and coming koreans just because they are in korea.. edit2: you warned the member who supplied the original content. and i don't see a good reason for it other than you don't agree with what he is saying. wtf? | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
On December 14 2018 10:54 SetStndbySmn wrote: Based on what just got announced with the HGC, we should probably thank our lucky stars if nothing at all happens to WCS/GSL. Things could be more unfair. A LOT more unfair. Like abruptly losing your job unfair. How would that be unfair. It would really suck for the players - much more than the region-lock but nothing about it would be unfair since no scene would get special treatment based on their origin. | ||
MockHamill
Sweden1793 Posts
I suspect the Korean dominance, combined the SwarmHost/Infestor is what caused the decline of SC2. Now when SC2 is slowly getting more popular again thanks to FTP letting Koreans into WCS would introduce an unnecessary risk. SC2 is declining in Korea but not in the rest of the world. The Koreans have themselves to blame, they prioritize other games and are now reaping the consequences. | ||
Penev
28348 Posts
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
2019 WCS DREAM SCENARIO - Region lock lifted, all tournaments open to everyone - Continued emphasis on distributing price pools more evenly so that more players can earn some sort of wage - GSL becomes two-tiered system again. Code A is back to foster new talent, open to everyone. Similarly to 2013, Code S losers are relegated to Code A and the best players of Code A are promoted to code S. However, a new format is used to guarantee more matches to players. Subsidized by Blizzard - Still 10 Premier weekend tournaments: 4 Dreamhacks, 3 Korean weekenders (Super Tournaments etc, but these could be held elsewhere instead), 1 WESG, 1 IEM, and Blizzcon. - Throughtout the year, GSL runs for 5 weeks, then breaks for a weekend tournament, then runs for another 5 weeks. This leaves a total of 11 weeks left. These could be for a 2-week summer break and a 9-week break after blizzcon. (GSL takes 10 weeks total, with a 1-week break in the end. Blizzcon takes 2 weeks. The other premier weekenders take 1 week.) ARE YOU LISTENING SANTA?? | ||
Parrek
United States893 Posts
On December 14 2018 17:47 Alejandrisha wrote: i second this, why was this for warning? it is obvious new talent in kr is being stifled by this system and we pretend that it is not happening. we need new kr blood in the system but we lock them to compete against much better players. why is this censored? edit: having read the whole thread i stand by my post; let the best players compete, kr or not. i think we have established that the foreigners can still compete amongst themselves and against koreans so what is the big deal. no point in stomping on up and coming koreans just because they are in korea.. edit2: you warned the member who supplied the original content. and i don't see a good reason for it other than you don't agree with what he is saying. wtf? It's much more likely for the aggressive way he phrased it. He also has no proof and there is no discussion to be had with a statement he made. It's overall just a shitty post | ||
TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7519 Posts
On December 14 2018 19:42 sneakyfox wrote: All I want for Christmas is... 2019 WCS DREAM SCENARIO - Region lock lifted, all tournaments open to everyone - Continued emphasis on distributing price pools more evenly so that more players can earn some sort of wage - GSL becomes two-tiered system again. Code A is back to foster new talent, open to everyone. Similarly to 2013, Code S losers are relegated to Code A and the best players of Code A are promoted to code S. However, a new format is used to guarantee more matches to players. Subsidized by Blizzard - Still 10 Premier weekend tournaments: 4 Dreamhacks, 3 Korean weekenders (Super Tournaments etc, but these could be held elsewhere instead), 1 WESG, 1 IEM, and Blizzcon. - Throughtout the year, GSL runs for 5 weeks, then breaks for a weekend tournament, then runs for another 5 weeks. This leaves a total of 11 weeks left. These could be for a 2-week summer break and a 9-week break after blizzcon. (GSL takes 10 weeks total, with a 1-week break in the end. Blizzcon takes 2 weeks. The other premier weekenders take 1 week.) ARE YOU LISTENING SANTA?? Wow thats so horrible. Sounds like system where koreans are going to win most of the money by big margin and foreign scene starts to die again. | ||
ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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Yonnua
United Kingdom2331 Posts
With the more even level of competition with the top foreigner players now, I think the 2013 WCS system would work really well. | ||
Lexender
Mexico2611 Posts
On December 14 2018 17:47 Alejandrisha wrote: i second this, why was this for warning? it is obvious new talent in kr is being stifled by this system and we pretend that it is not happening. we need new kr blood in the system but we lock them to compete against much better players. why is this censored? Thats not true GSL gets more funding, all from Blizzard, over all the they also attend about the same ammount of events (the only region locked events and the only thing region locked are the 4 WCS circuit events. The KR scene is on a life support, being feed by the foreigner scene. If we lifted region lock all that would happen is that the top players would take the spots and tournaments at foreigner events, there would be no new blood, no middle level koreans benefiting from that, only those that are already stablished enough to be abre to fly to these vents. People wan't to point Blizzard for the shortcoming of the korean scene because they deny the truth, there is simply no interest in the korean side, just look at most of the non-blizzard funded events, both offline and online, were koreans play, everything is funded by non-korean viewers and content creators, BBTV, Wardi, The gauntlet, the only korean doing stuff is Crank. Lifting the region lock, wheter people think is fair or not, wont make the korean scene resurge for the simple fact that the koreans don't want to, no new pros will appear because today nobody wants to be SC2 pro in Korea, its that simple. | ||
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30538 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2572 Posts
On December 14 2018 18:32 MockHamill wrote: I like the region lock. I remember how awful SC2 was back when there were only Koreans in the top 8 in every tournament, Western players going extinct. I suspect the Korean dominance, combined the SwarmHost/Infestor is what caused the decline of SC2. Now when SC2 is slowly getting more popular again thanks to FTP letting Koreans into WCS would introduce an unnecessary risk. SC2 is declining in Korea but not in the rest of the world. The Koreans have themselves to blame, they prioritize other games and are now reaping the consequences. I will say this again, when the foreign scene was on life support, Blizzard swooped in and added the region lock. Now that the roles are reversed, you want to pull the plug on the Korean scene? What kind of weird-ass double standard is that? | ||
WhiteSPiriT
France19 Posts
On December 14 2018 20:31 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Wow thats so horrible. Sounds like system where koreans are going to win most of the money by big margin and foreign scene starts to die again. Yes indeed ! The players that are the most hard working actually getting what they really deserve ! What a nightmare ! | ||
TrashEconomy
25 Posts
However, at this point, why do we care about keeping the Korean scene alive? They don't invest in the teamhouse infrastructure anymore, they have zero new blood coming up, and the game isn't even popular there. Why not just let the Korean scene die off and have Westerners take over, with the premier Koreans lingering around? There is zero gap between the WCS pros and the B-tier Koreans like Cure, Impact, etc, and Westerners are starting to be competitive with the A-list Koreans. Korea is a tiny country and I don't understand the fixation on keeping them relevant. Would anyone care if Norwegian SC2 was dying? No? So why do we care about Korea dying, if they aren't even investing into the game themselves? | ||
Argonauta
Spain4727 Posts
On December 15 2018 01:35 TrashEconomy wrote: I am pro-Korean, and as a Westerner, I find it shameful that the only way we could become competitive in SC2 was basically by locking out the Korean players. However, at this point, why do we care about keeping the Korean scene alive? They don't invest in the teamhouse infrastructure anymore, they have zero new blood coming up, and the game isn't even popular there. Why not just let the Korean scene die off and have Westerners take over, with the premier Koreans lingering around? There is zero gap between the WCS pros and the B-tier Koreans like Cure, Impact, etc, and Westerners are starting to be competitive with the A-list Koreans. Korea is a tiny country and I don't understand the fixation on keeping them relevant. Would anyone care if Norwegian SC2 was dying? No? So why do we care about Korea dying, if they aren't even investing into the game themselves? Because of the historical relevance of Korea in Starcraft 1 and 2 | ||
Brutaxilos
United States2572 Posts
On December 15 2018 01:35 TrashEconomy wrote: I am pro-Korean, and as a Westerner, I find it shameful that the only way we could become competitive in SC2 was basically by locking out the Korean players. However, at this point, why do we care about keeping the Korean scene alive? They don't invest in the teamhouse infrastructure anymore, they have zero new blood coming up, and the game isn't even popular there. Why not just let the Korean scene die off and have Westerners take over, with the premier Koreans lingering around? There is zero gap between the WCS pros and the B-tier Koreans like Cure, Impact, etc, and Westerners are starting to be competitive with the A-list Koreans. Korea is a tiny country and I don't understand the fixation on keeping them relevant. Would anyone care if Norwegian SC2 was dying? No? So why do we care about Korea dying, if they aren't even investing into the game themselves? I mean, I think a lot of people would be fine if we just "got rid" of the boundary between Korean and Foreigner scenes. Make it so that players can play in all tournaments as long as they qualify. But the current system if just plain unfair. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
On December 15 2018 01:35 TrashEconomy wrote: I am pro-Korean, and as a Westerner, I find it shameful that the only way we could become competitive in SC2 was basically by locking out the Korean players. However, at this point, why do we care about keeping the Korean scene alive? They don't invest in the teamhouse infrastructure anymore, they have zero new blood coming up, and the game isn't even popular there. Why not just let the Korean scene die off and have Westerners take over, with the premier Koreans lingering around? There is zero gap between the WCS pros and the B-tier Koreans like Cure, Impact, etc, and Westerners are starting to be competitive with the A-list Koreans. Korea is a tiny country and I don't understand the fixation on keeping them relevant. Would anyone care if Norwegian SC2 was dying? No? So why do we care about Korea dying, if they aren't even investing into the game themselves? There's a difference between letting the korean scene die off and actively killing the korean scene. However, at this point, why do we care about keeping the Korean scene alive? They don't invest in the teamhouse infrastructure anymore, they have zero new blood coming up, and the game isn't even popular there. Also you could replace "Korean" with pretty much every other country in the world in this sentence and it would be just as true. | ||
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