Solar Tweeting about the Region Lock - Page 3
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seemsgood
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sneakyfox
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This is starting to look like consensus among players. I'm still thinking there is a chance that Blizzard wants to end region lock. Foreigner vs Korean matchups seem to be the most popular events. And Afreeca are happy about foreigners in GSL. | ||
seemsgood
5527 Posts
On December 13 2018 17:35 Waxangel wrote: The fact that it's unfair isn't news to anyone. It's an EXPLICITLY unfair system. Now, is the payoff worth it? Can we even determine or measure the payoff? By looking at the blizzcon of last year and this year. I'd say yes and removing region lock right now ain't gonna do shit. Korea sc2 will eventually die anyway. it might help non-top players like solar, bunny.. ect but without young bloods, it is just a matter of time We should cater the scene not players and clearly removing region lock is not the answer | ||
hg2g2
Canada71 Posts
I find it somewhat amusing that a lot of this argument is essentially the result of the foreign team house, which some people seem to think doesn't cost any money to run, but is also kind of ironic since the pointing out of the loss of Korean team houses is part of the scene dying. But if a bunch of foreigners can somehow come together and start one essentially on their own in Korea, why can't Koreans who are already there? | ||
esReveR
United States562 Posts
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
At the same time a GSL-WCS exchange program would be really cool. Something like up to 6 players who still would've to qualify, of course. Bonus Idea: If someone plays in both GSL and WCS he only gets half of the prize money from the tournament he is foreign to. The other half gets spread among the players who finished below him. | ||
DSK
England1106 Posts
MLG did an exchange with GSL where Korean and foreign players had opportunity to play in their respective opposite tournaments. Is it an idea to have a set amount of seeds for enabling players of both regions to compete, or have a qualifier for them?. Interest in SC2 has grown since F2P and Serral's ascendance, and apparently (I have no source or evidence) the foreign scene makes more money and is more popular than the Korean one. I'm not getting my hopes up. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
it's a little silly you have to reach out using twitter these days, but what can you do? | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
Personally I agree with Solar, Serral, Special and all the others and I think no foreigners in GSL is the way to go, since other options are not realistic financially speaking. But the thing is, I think korean viewers and Afreeca/Mr Chae want foreigners in the GSL for the extra hype and I would not want to force Afreeca to ban foreigners, it should be their decision. Foreign tournament organisers decided it would be best for them to ban Koreans, so Afreeca should get to decide what is best for them. | ||
ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
4 wcs weekenders is also not that cool. the pro's in general have so much off time. how do you live as a pro player if your not top level. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
On December 14 2018 00:21 Musicus wrote: We always said it was unfair. It's good that Solar is speaking out and it's discussed again. Personally I agree with Solar, Serral, Special and all the others and I think no foreigners in GSL is the way to go, since other options are not realistic financially speaking. But the thing is, I think korean viewers and Afreeca/Mr Chae want foreigners in the GSL for the extra hype and I would not want to force Afreeca to ban foreigners, it should be their decision. Foreign tournament organisers decided it would be best for them to ban Koreans, so Afreeca should get to decide what is best for them. Do they really? I thought korean sponsors don't care about foreign viewers? | ||
Brutaxilos
United States2572 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
But now that we're in this situation the system really needs to be revised. | ||
Musicus
Germany23567 Posts
On December 14 2018 01:08 Charoisaur wrote: Do they really? I thought korean sponsors don't care about foreign viewers? Not sure who sponsors GSL these days apart from Blizz, but I think Afreeca cares, since they launched the global version of their streaming platform. They also the the afreeca global invitation thingy to promote it. Also Korean viewers love the korean vs foreigners story line just as much, so if only the korean viewership mattered, foreigners would still help in that regard. If I were allowed to choose, I'd still ban them from GSL, just not sure if it's what Afreeca wants. | ||
Charoisaur
Germany15616 Posts
On December 13 2018 23:01 WeakOwl wrote: All I can say is the gap between foreigners and koreans has not closed, the exception being serral. Maybe the best solution would be to have a few events each year that are not region locked and a few that are. It does not have to be so black and white and think this would make everyone happy. What about Neeb making GSL ro4, Scarlett ro8 and Reynor and Special knocking out Classic? | ||
Stormhoof
Serbia182 Posts
For example : WCS Korea (KR and CN) can have 3 GSL plus Blizzcon to cover each season. WCS EU and NA would have exact same system as GSL (so far proven to be the best), with also Code S and Code A included. Same amount of points gained for each place for both regions. Schedule not to overlap and Circuit can be played outside of studio until top 8 since travelling all the time would affect players and it costs money. Events like IEM can be played by everyone but player can participate only in one region in WCS. Evening might be solution for all. Dont forget that EU also(NA too ofc) have massive amount of talented players who cannot qualify. Abbandon age restriction, its plain stupid. Parental written approval is ok. If in certain country (which is normal) person younger then 15 years can only get right but not obligations, restrict them from joining teams but let them play WCS. Maybe Code B would be good for tryhard kids out there and young players. Or bring back old model where you can participate wherever you want and screw everything. | ||
Paragleiber
413 Posts
Also if we view WCS as half the world's prize money and GSL as the other half, why is it so important for people that Koreans get exactly 50% of the world's prize money? Why can't it be 45%? Either way Korea gets treated very differently than any other individual country. And of course it deserves to be treated differently because it's way stronger but who's to say that it deserves exactly 50% of the money and not 45 or 55 or something else? That seems like a very arbitrary demand. I can understand people who want no region lock at all because that would be a very big change but I don't get people who hate the current situation but would be totally fine with full region lock because it really isn't that huge of a difference when there are only like 3 foreigners in GSL. And the "fairness" argument is nonsense to me because as I explained either way Korea gets a totally different status from other countries and it's super arbitrary to say that Korea being worth exactly 50% of the world is "fair". | ||
EvanC
Canada130 Posts
If we want to support the *highest* levels of SC2 play (and we do!), WCS Challenger can't have the same prize money as GSL. | ||
Toua
Denmark318 Posts
On December 14 2018 01:30 Paragleiber wrote: I don't understand people who see the current situation as very unfair but if GSL was Korea only suddenly everything would be perfectly cool for them. It's not really that huge of a difference. Right now WCS is 100% foreign and GSL is like 90% Korean. It's not that far away from how it would be fully separated in terms of the number of players. Also if we view WCS as half the world's prize money and GSL as the other half, why is it so important for people that Koreans get exactly 50% of the world's prize money? Why can't it be 45%? Either way Korea gets treated very differently than any other individual country. And of course it deserves to be treated differently because it's way stronger but who's to say that it deserves exactly 50% of the money and not 45 or 55 or something else? That seems like a very arbitrary demand. I can understand people who want no region lock at all because that would be a very big change but I don't get people who hate the current situation but would be totally fine with full region lock because it really isn't that huge of a difference when there are only like 3 foreigners in GSL. And the "fairness" argument is nonsense to me because as I explained either way Korea gets a totally different status from other countries and it's super arbitrary to say that Korea being worth exactly 50% of the world is "fair". Ok but even Blizzard considers Korea special in the way that there is a circut and a korean region. When blizzcon comes around there is 8 people from either region. But right now non-korean could in theory take a koreans spot at blizzcon, will koreans cant. Not only that but they can earn prize money from both region. Also its not only 3 foreigners there is quite a few of them in the qualifiers and with the amount of korean pros left, the non-koreans take away the only money they can earn that season. This also damages the korean semi-pros as it is nearly impossible now for them to make it through top tier foreigners. | ||
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