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On May 20 2016 03:49 Phredxor wrote: Whoever wins the first map wins it all. Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting!
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THIS is the first playoff vs JA i am confident KT will win in the past it was all about maru but now KT should be able to kill him without losing to many by doing it and Zest TY and Stats are favored against every other JA player
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On May 20 2016 06:08 egrimm wrote:Yeah, the match is really even and the first map could be deciding factor regarding "who will snipe whom first". Still I'd say that Stats is slightly favoured against Trap and this makes me a bit anxious about the result :| Hoping for glorious sOs come back :D All in all Jin Air fighting!
Yeah that's my thoughts. Will be huge if Jin Air is forced to send Maru out early and we get a chance to snipe him.
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can agree, both teams place 2 protoss, but KT won't send out leenock, i think it will be losira instead
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its all about the protoss as always , so i expect KT win , unless sOs carry
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Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff?
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On May 20 2016 07:49 rrrzzz wrote: Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff? Considering KT opened with their best player...probably not
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On May 20 2016 07:59 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 07:49 rrrzzz wrote: Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff? Considering KT opened with their best player...probably not How can Stats be their best player when your sig clearly states that Zest is best?
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On May 20 2016 08:02 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 07:59 Cricketer12 wrote:On May 20 2016 07:49 rrrzzz wrote: Can we just have a game with a terran in this playoff? Considering KT opened with their best player...probably not How can Stats be their best player when your sig clearly states that Zest is best? Perhaps zest is the best...but stats > Zest
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On May 19 2016 23:51 bestviva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote:On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. This might mean that sOs will not play at all in the finals. I hope it will not be the case. But if sOs should play, they need to keep him for the last place in roster. Probably, Trap loses to Stats, then immediately then next out comes Maru, who should kill Stats quite easily. And then, he should all kill up to Zest coming. Zest beats Maru. And then. we will see if anyone will be able to beat Zest. Rogue with "special Zest builds" was quite successful in the past, but this time, Zest will be probably careful, so I do not expect Rogue killing him. So let us hope, sOs will be spared for the last place and that he will come with some special strategy, which will beat Zest. So it will be: Stats > Trap Stats < Maru TY < Maru Zest > Maru Zest > Rogue Zest < sOs (?) XY < sOs ----- a little bit different from my scenario, if Stats lost to Maru, I think KT will send Zest out immediately, because #1, TY will probably lost to Maru and make the score to JAGW 2:1 KT, so damage must be stop at once; #2,assuming Zest win against Maru, then he may face Rouge, Zest's PVZ now is not good, so he may lost to Rouge, then KT will need TY with his TVZ to cover up the scord to JAGW 2:2 KT, at this moment ,all pressure will be on TY's shoulder, he must take down SOS, because both he and SOS are the only strong player left in their own team. if TY win ,then KT win , if SOS win, the JAGW win. tbh, both of two teams have similar situation, they only have 3 strong players, so which team lost their three killers earlier, which team lost. Well said, I agree, it would be better for KT to send Zest immediately if Maru beats Stats to have TY as a backup. Which still means, it will be exciting. Maru comes into the 2nd game and Zest into the 3rd game. No need to save the big guns for later.
On May 19 2016 23:52 Orr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2016 21:58 Diabolique wrote:On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote: I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap I'm so confused Exactly, this makes me quite nervous. I definitely expected Cure. Trap did not beat any serious opponent last season, except TY, but TY is not that good to be called a star. And Stats is a star. No idea what you're talking about. Trap was JAGW's second best player in R2, and clearly earned a starting lineup spot for the playoffs. He's #6 overall on the winners rankings for R2, and is the only player other than Maru to not lose a match all round. He defeated in order: Reality, TY, Horror, Dream. If you don't consider those three Terrans to be serious opposition, then I have no words. In the TL preview for the silver challenger match, I argued that TY wasn't in the S-tier that Zest, Maru, and Dark are (as they made him out to be). But to consider the GSL runner-up not a star, given what he's accomplished thus far in LOTV is laughable. I don't like the choice of Trap being sent out first though. Especially since the odds were high that KT would send out a P on Dusk Towers (the overwhelming odds being Stats, since they want to save Zest for later, especially to counter Maru). Trap has proven this past round that he's an excellent vT sniper, and he's always been strong vZ. Would have much rather saved him to counter TY later on. sOs would've been the easy call for me to start. Despite very shaky play all year, and decidedly mediocre (for him) results thus far in PL, he's shown some very innovative ideas and builds, and he has a proven history of performing in the playoffs. Always been strong in the mirror matchup, and his latest results in qualifying for SSL S2 (defeating Choya, Myungsik, Super) bode well for improved form. sOs is always a threat to get on a roll and win 2-3 games before you know what's hit you (never forgot the reverse AK to send KT to their grave last year, after everyone was already looking forward to D3). Cure is a solid overall player w/ strong TvT (although clearly not on the level of TY). His specialty is vZ, and would be the clear choice against the KT Z line of either Leenock/Losira. Although w/ his weaker vP, it's highly unlikely he'd beat Zest. And even TY would be favored. Against Z heavy teams like SKT, he should definitely start, but against the P dominated KT, Trap is the preferable play (for the round playoff format). Rogue has much of the same strengths/weaknesses as Cure. While looking excellent of late in the mirror ZvZ, and vT as well, his vP matchup stands out as a clear weakness (despite his occasional incredible meta-changing snipe builds). And while being a strong choice depending on the maps against TY/Leenock/Losira, he's a big underdog against Stats and Zest (even w/ the latter's weakest MU). Feel that he too matches up much better against the Z and T dominated SKT lines. * JAGW 4-3 (Maru over Zest in G7) Trap has beaten 3 not "S-tier" level Terrans. I read your comment below the TL silver challenge preview and fully agreed with that. TY is a good player, but he is not on the level of Zest, Mark, Dark (and for me also Dear and herO). These players I am calling "Stars". TY is not that kind of star, although he is still very good. Yes, Trap had an excellent round (and I am happy as he brought me all the FPL points), but he did not beat any "Stars" in that round. Reality is not a star, Dream was a star in HotS, but not anymore. Only TY is quite close.
I would never send sOs as first as he is not in a great shape and is quite dependent on the mental situation. I believe, sOs would lose to Stats if they met in the first game while he would beat Stats if it was the game 7. I believe, it is good to use anyone else and eventually send sOs as last hope. Because that is the moment, when he performs. Otherwise, I agree with your points.
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really counting on maru to carry this. zest is too solid for sos and rogue at the moment I think
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On May 20 2016 11:02 warlocke wrote: really counting on maru to carry this. zest is too solid for sos and rogue at the moment I think rogue can always prepare a sick snipe build for zest. remember the bane drops?
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On May 20 2016 11:29 Dastansc2 wrote: KT ez pz Jin Air plz plz
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Can anyone confirm that the final tomorrow will be held in the normal location i.e. Nexon Arena in Gangnam? Thanks in advance.
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Kind of a scary matchup. Both Protoss players have the potential to AK, though Stats is probably slightly more favoured. Should he start taking down 2 players, Maru will probaly come out and then Zest will come out to take out Maru.
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On May 20 2016 11:29 Dastansc2 wrote: KT ez pz I see you also lost a sigbet
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Be funny if Stats gets an all-kill rolling, then sOs out of nowhere reverse all-kills KT like he did before to make his triumphant return to form.
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On May 20 2016 02:52 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote:On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote:I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser But SKT just lost.....
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On May 20 2016 14:04 tjtombo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 02:52 Durnuu wrote:On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote:On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote:I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill An SKT fan rooting for KT? KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser But SKT just lost..... Either he means its better to lose to KT or he meant kt and hopes jagw loses
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