Proleague Round 2 Playoffs - Finals Starters

On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote:
I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap
I'm so confused

On May 19 2016 20:42 Wallenberg wrote:
I hope KT will win. I really think it can be some hard matches though. A bit curious about sOs PvP, consider if he went up against Zest. Is his current form better than Dear for example? Havent seen them battle it out for a little while.

Then its the SSL Winner against the GSL Winner soon around 20-21th may? Gonna be some awesome matches on that evening as well . Zest is best! Fighting! <3

On May 19 2016 18:58 NinjaToss wrote:
I'm still wondering why it's Trap, why is it not Cure, why Trap
I'm so confused

On May 19 2016 22:12 Elentos wrote:

Cure, Creator, HyuN and sOs didn't beat any strong opponents either. None of them beat anyone anywhere close to TY's level. Trap beat Reality, TY and Dream. That's a respectable set of opponents. And definitely good enough to deserve getting fielded.

Besides, I don't think there's anyone KT would field on Dusk Towers that Cure really wants to play.

On May 19 2016 19:35 Durnuu wrote:
I want KT to win but Jin Air is gonna crush them as they always do in all-kill

On May 20 2016 01:55 tjtombo wrote:

An SKT fan rooting for KT?

On May 20 2016 03:49 Phredxor wrote:
Whoever wins the first map wins it all.

On May 20 2016 01:14 Seeker wrote:
Welp, now we know how this plays out.

Jin Air will send out:
Maru
Rogue
sOs
Trap

KT will send out:
Zest
Stats
Leenock
TY

On May 19 2016 23:51 bestviva wrote:


-----
a little bit different from my scenario, if Stats lost to Maru, I think KT will send Zest out immediately, because
#1, TY will probably lost to Maru and make the score to JAGW 2:1 KT, so damage must be stop at once; #2,assuming Zest win against Maru, then he may face Rouge, Zest's PVZ now is not good, so he may lost to Rouge, then KT will need TY with his TVZ to cover up the scord to JAGW 2:2 KT, at this moment ,all pressure will be on TY's shoulder, he must take down SOS, because both he and SOS are the only strong player left in their own team. if TY win ,then KT win , if SOS win, the JAGW win.

tbh, both of two teams have similar situation, they only have 3 strong players, so which team lost their three killers earlier, which team lost.

On May 19 2016 23:52 Orr wrote:


No idea what you're talking about. Trap was JAGW's second best player in R2, and clearly earned a starting lineup spot for the playoffs. He's #6 overall on the winners rankings for R2, and is the only player other than Maru to not lose a match all round.

He defeated in order: Reality, TY, Horror, Dream. If you don't consider those three Terrans to be serious opposition, then I have no words. In the TL preview for the silver challenger match, I argued that TY wasn't in the S-tier that Zest, Maru, and Dark are (as they made him out to be). But to consider the GSL runner-up not a star, given what he's accomplished thus far in LOTV is laughable.

I don't like the choice of Trap being sent out first though. Especially since the odds were high that KT would send out a P on Dusk Towers (the overwhelming odds being Stats, since they want to save Zest for later, especially to counter Maru). Trap has proven this past round that he's an excellent vT sniper, and he's always been strong vZ. Would have much rather saved him to counter TY later on.

sOs would've been the easy call for me to start. Despite very shaky play all year, and decidedly mediocre (for him) results thus far in PL, he's shown some very innovative ideas and builds, and he has a proven history of performing in the playoffs. Always been strong in the mirror matchup, and his latest results in qualifying for SSL S2 (defeating Choya, Myungsik, Super) bode well for improved form. sOs is always a threat to get on a roll and win 2-3 games before you know what's hit you (never forgot the reverse AK to send KT to their grave last year, after everyone was already looking forward to D3).

Cure is a solid overall player w/ strong TvT (although clearly not on the level of TY). His specialty is vZ, and would be the clear choice against the KT Z line of either Leenock/Losira. Although w/ his weaker vP, it's highly unlikely he'd beat Zest. And even TY would be favored. Against Z heavy teams like SKT, he should definitely start, but against the P dominated KT, Trap is the preferable play (for the round playoff format).

Rogue has much of the same strengths/weaknesses as Cure. While looking excellent of late in the mirror ZvZ, and vT as well, his vP matchup stands out as a clear weakness (despite his occasional incredible meta-changing snipe builds). And while being a strong choice depending on the maps against TY/Leenock/Losira, he's a big underdog against Stats and Zest (even w/ the latter's weakest MU). Feel that he too matches up much better against the Z and T dominated SKT lines.

*JAGW 4-3 (Maru over Zest in G7)

On May 20 2016 11:29 Dastansc2 wrote:
KT ez pz

On May 20 2016 02:52 Durnuu wrote:

KT is my 2nd favorite team, so now that SKT is out, I'm cheering for KT
Also, it would be a shame if SKT lost to a loser

On May 19 2016 22:33 NinjaToss wrote:
KT has 3 Protoss
JA also has 3 Protoss
KT has 3 main pillars (Stats, Zest and TY)
JA also has 3 main pillars (Maru, sOs and Rogue)
illuminaty confirmed?
how about PvP all the way until either of the team has to force out a player from another race?

On May 20 2016 06:35 Phredxor wrote:


Yeah that's my thoughts. Will be huge if Jin Air is forced to send Maru out early and we get a chance to snipe him.

On May 20 2016 19:08 Diabolique wrote:
Well, for the first game, I would still pick Cure instead of Trap, because he would have a higher chance against Stats. But he would have a lower chance against TY.

In the moment we need to be ready that Trap loses to Stats, everything else would be a surprise. And we send immediately Maru, who beats Stats. And KT sends out immediately Zest, who beats Maru. Then, we will have the two attempts to beat Zest with Rogue and sOs. I would be soooo happy if sOs manages to steal that ...

On May 20 2016 23:52 Orr wrote:


I would give Maru far better than 50/50 odds to beat TY in a TvT (although I think JAGW would much prefer Trap, and if he fails then Rogue, to face him initially). While TY wrecked Cure 4-0 in their GSL semifinals match, Maru is on another tier, and has ample footage to study along with inside information from his teammate on what to expect.

On Aligulac, the recent results depicted under 'form' are all that matter. And Maru has won 22 of his last 24 games (91.67%). And is 12/12 in the mirror matchup. He's 16-0 in his most recent 10 matches. Including wins over Stats, Gumiho, Dark, and soO. He just went 12-0 combined in qualifying for both upcoming Starleagues.

Maru is leading the only ladder rank that matters, PL Winners Rankings at an unfathomable 11-0 (after two rounds). 15-2 overall (6-0 vT) when including round playoffs. And last time in R1 playoffs silver challenger match, took out Stats, TY, and Leenock in order, before finally being stopped by Zest.

Despite Stats currently being in dominant form and TY looking very strong in recent offline qualifying, there's little to suggest that anyone for KT other than the reigning GSL champion (and clear-cut consensus best player in the world) will be able to topple Maru. And even then I'd only give Zest a 50/50 chance, assuming the map choice is mostly a wash.

Which I realize is absolutely insane to be saying about the greatest Protoss ever in SC2, and the best player in LOTV. But Maru is just that good.

On May 19 2016 19:35 swissman777 wrote:
why not sOs tho?