GomTV3 MSL Ro4 - Mind vs. Savior - Page 32
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Corinthos
Canada1842 Posts
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
On November 09 2007 06:15 FieryBalrog wrote: Boxer changed the whole Starcraft paradigm- the mentality with which players approached the game- and he blew away boundaries and opened up huge areas of the game for further exploration and innovation. He was never as dominating a player as Nada or Savior even at his prime, but he was always a more important player. The closest player to Boxer (albeit weaker) in my opinion is Nal_Ra, not Nada or Oov. agree with you.. the closest player to boxer its Nal_Ra, actually a paradigm breaker its Bisu, but Ra and Boxer are the prime masters =) | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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i.play.ZERG
Canada276 Posts
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On November 09 2007 07:28 Jyvblamo wrote: Semioldguy, how's that sock tasting? I believe my post said that I would eat my own sock if Mind were to win 3-0 On November 08 2007 10:26 semioldguy wrote: ... and 3-0 in favor of Mind is totally not going to happen. If it does happen tonight, I'll post a video of me eating my own sock. I think I am justified in not having to eat my sock, but I was getting prepared to after game 1. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 09 2007 06:33 FieryBalrog wrote: I think Bisu will have a "Savior-effect" on Protoss players. Savior didn't innovate all that heavily, but his execution, coordination and game-sense was so good that he made 3 hatch and late game hive tech into a god-like build- and popularized it. He changed Zerg play not through innovation so much as through dominance- I don't think we'd have players like GGplay and Yarnc without Savior, even through 3 hatch heavy tech builds have been around since forever. Bisu appears to be doing the same, as Idra said, no one else can make it work nearly as well as he can- for now. He'll popularize it, and soon FE->sair builds will proliferate just as 3 hatch and heavy reliance on hive tech is everywhere now. Hm.. I think Yarnc's ZvT sort of predates Savior, I mean, sure Savior was around before him, but I think he's a beast of his own :D | ||
Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On November 09 2007 11:41 semioldguy wrote: I believe my post said that I would eat my own sock if Mind were to win 3-0 I think I am justified in not having to eat my sock, but I was getting prepared to after game 1. Bah, darned fine print... *mutters* | ||
Cambium
United States16368 Posts
So many ppl asked about the sock. | ||
hwasingodlysense
79 Posts
i especially loved the micro and macro lon-game matches. gogogo xellos and inter.mind! <3 On November 09 2007 06:22 FrozenArbiter wrote: .. Boxer won two OSLs back to back and a KPGA Tour (MSL) AND was in the finals of a 3rd OSL after his 2 wins. How is that not dominant? well you know what they say... but boxer is the man the starcraft legend after all. | ||
kabumpo
25 Posts
Thus, winning two OSLs in a row seems likely impossible now. That's not to say whether OSL winner is better or worse than MSL one. It's only that the first seeds have more chance to win MSL. In general, we could call OSL a more liberal league while MSL definitely a conservative one with little chance for beginers. Thus, first-time Mind reaching the MSL final proves he has some ability. | ||
Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
On November 05 2007 07:57 Live2Win wrote: If savior loses THIS ONE I'll leave progaming forever. ok maybe not, but I'll do something drastic. | ||
FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On November 09 2007 15:13 FieryBalrog wrote: What sucks is that Savior losing reveals the increasing lack of promising new Zerg players these days. Not much new guard to replace the Savior-Chojja-GoRush generation apart from maybe Jaedong and an increasingly irrelevant GGplay. Its more like we have good zergs, but none have consistant matchups. most of the newer zergs have good zvt and zvz but some have not so good zvp (and sometimes, good zvp, not so good zvt.) | ||
Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17709 Posts
I was seriously about to cry while slaving away at math problems in my math hakwon. Only getting results by 5 mins breaktime. NOOO savior | ||
a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On November 09 2007 15:10 Live2Win wrote: eek what are you gonna do? | ||
fanatacist
10319 Posts
intriguesomniac: MIND SUCKS FanaBatHero: No he doesn't. It's not like Mind sucked every game and just stole wins from Savior. intriguesomniac: But savior wasn't playing to his fullest! FanaBatHero: That doesn't take anything away from Mind, because he performed well even if Savior for some reason did not. You can't say that Mind sucks and Savior just messed up and it would never happen again, like it was some sort of accident. Mind has skill. intriguesomniac: Mind sucks for beating Savior And I think that last underlined statement is what summarizes your feelings. It's not his actual skill level which sucks terribly (be honest - he's good. Even a slumping Savior would be hard to beat. Sure he has his flaws, but he's new, too!), it's the fact that everyone hates him for beating Savior and therefore he MUST suck. As for "no-name" players beating such prestigious titles as "The Maestro," do you think no one started off at the very bottom and rose to the top? How many people really liked Savior when he just emerged as ipxzerg and started winning his games? Even Boxer must have gotten some of this hate as a "no-namer" that won tournaments way back in the day. It's a fact that "no-name" players evolve to become the Maestro, the Revolutionist, the Emperor, so on and so forth. So everyone who posts ignorant statements like "MIND SUCKS AT SC LOL" or "i hate deez noname players T_T dey sux nd beet da best," get a reality check. The no-names of today are the leaders of tomorrow. And everyone who blindly classifies anyone who got to MSL semi-finals and beat Savior as a "one-trick pony," could be in for a rough awakening. Not every victory to a person who has lower or even non-existent stats is a fluke, not every rising unknown is a flash in the pan. Wake up. It's okay to be upset that one of your favorite players is slumping, is losing, and losing to newer players. It's okay to resent the man that smited the king off his throne. But this is the MSL semi-finals. Don't take anything away from that player in terms of achievement or skill, because if you do, you just have your head up your ass. This doesn't go to everyone who has posted, obviously. Just my 2 cents. | ||
SlickR
Macedonia2 Posts
And this is why we see more and more terran players getting to the finals. If you can't beat a terran player in 10 minutes you're a gooner. So Blizzard should immidiatly return the balance to the game back, reduce the goliath anit-air attack speed and reduce siege tank damage to 60, while bring back the movement speed of the hydralisk and attack speed of mutalisk. | ||
Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
On November 09 2007 23:35 fanatacist wrote: Everyone is bashing Mind for beating Savior... But you must realize that you are all like intrigue on IRC. This is the summary of that conversation: intriguesomniac: MIND SUCKS FanaBatHero: No he doesn't. It's not like Mind sucked every game and just stole wins from Savior. intriguesomniac: But savior wasn't playing to his fullest! FanaBatHero: That doesn't take anything away from Mind, because he performed well even if Savior for some reason did not. You can't say that Mind sucks and Savior just messed up and it would never happen again, like it was some sort of accident. Mind has skill. intriguesomniac: Mind sucks for beating Savior And I think that last underlined statement is what summarizes your feelings. It's not his actual skill level which sucks terribly (be honest - he's good. Even a slumping Savior would be hard to beat. Sure he has his flaws, but he's new, too!), it's the fact that everyone hates him for beating Savior and therefore he MUST suck. As for "no-name" players beating such prestigious titles as "The Maestro," do you think no one started off at the very bottom and rose to the top? How many people really liked Savior when he just emerged as ipxzerg and started winning his games? Even Boxer must have gotten some of this hate as a "no-namer" that won tournaments way back in the day. It's a fact that "no-name" players evolve to become the Maestro, the Revolutionist, the Emperor, so on and so forth. So everyone who posts ignorant statements like "MIND SUCKS AT SC LOL" or "i hate deez noname players T_T dey sux nd beet da best," get a reality check. The no-names of today are the leaders of tomorrow. And everyone who blindly classifies anyone who got to MSL semi-finals and beat Savior as a "one-trick pony," could be in for a rough awakening. Not every victory to a person who has lower or even non-existent stats is a fluke, not every rising unknown is a flash in the pan. Wake up. It's okay to be upset that one of your favorite players is slumping, is losing, and losing to newer players. It's okay to resent the man that smited the king off his throne. But this is the MSL semi-finals. Don't take anything away from that player in terms of achievement or skill, because if you do, you just have your head up your ass. This doesn't go to everyone who has posted, obviously. Just my 2 cents. I think it's assumed that when people say "Mind sucks" they mean "I'm a fan of Savior, this result sucks." It's just fans being fans. Mind is a progamer. Sure he got a little lucky getting the right matchups on his way to the semis, but I don't think anyone who is saying "Mind sucks" actually thinks he's bad at Starcraft. He's a professional gamer in Korea who made the finals of one of the two most prestigious leagues. He doesn't suck. This feeling is very understandable, we as fans have an emotional attachment with the players and thus we feel angry and disappointed when one of our favorites loses to someone who we have no clue about. I'm sure many felt the same way when Savior beat Reach for his first MSL. It's the natural flow of things. That said, Mind did not really show anything those games. Savior played badly and Mind was solid, but did not distinguish himself. He played good, sure, but I have no question that Savior a few months ago would've crushed him. This is the core of why people are mad, Savior has played so much better. Mind does suck compared to Savior at his peak. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
On November 10 2007 00:15 SlickR wrote: Savior lost because 2-4 patches back(don't remember exactly when) the terrans recieved quite a big bump in stats, like the Goliath now fires anti-air missles very very fast, Vulture got also increased attack speed, while the zerg got some reduction in stats. This is why Savior lost, this is why there hasen't been any Zerg player in any final for half a year now. And this is why we see more and more terran players getting to the finals. If you can't beat a terran player in 10 minutes you're a gooner. So Blizzard should immidiatly return the balance to the game back, reduce the goliath anit-air attack speed and reduce siege tank damage to 60, while bring back the movement speed of the hydralisk and attack speed of mutalisk. I'm not sure if you're trolling or being serious, but you have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
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