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Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 28 2009 00:16 GMT

#70

Sign me up.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 29 2009 12:32 GMT

#163

I'm new to TL.net mafia, so if you're looking for some objectivity my posts might be relevant to you.

I'm not voting for MountainDew. His entire campaign could have been summed up in three words: "organize" and "kill inactives." In fact, he used the words "inactive" and "organize" six times each in eight short, fluffy, paragraphs. No thank you.

Coltrane isn't going to get my vote either until phrases like "I have a really good strategy, i will post it and after this i will be dead tomorrow unless i am office and have bodyguards." and "i am willing to use you all" start popping up a LOT less, though I do appreciate his more calculated and statistical analysis of the Ukrainian threat.

I've still got some profiles to sift through before I can offer any other perspective.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 29 2009 13:17 GMT

#167

On July 29 2009 21:47 iLoveKT wrote:
Isnt inactivity and organization good enough points in a candidate's platform? It has already been proven that inactives kills the town (in this case Mother Russia) because the Ukrainians can just hide amongst them and that all the town needs to do is organize with the help of a leader to sort out who is Ukrainian or not. How to organize given the circumstances is the real problem. What else do you want to see in his platform? Only problem I have with MountainDew is that he has no track records coz I think this is his first game here on TL but as I have said, I'm cool with new people given a chance at leadership. (MountainDew, are you really new or thats just a smurf account or a new account or something?)

lol feels weird referring to town as Russia and mafia as Ukrainians.

I didn't say inactivity and organization weren't good points, I did however say that it took three words to say, not 565.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 29 2009 23:37 GMT

#309

I hope I'm covering all the theories that have been offered so far:

NKVD disguise themselves as rebels, and respond to PMs: Terrible idea, it's the same idea as below but even MORE convoluted.

NKVD disguise themselves as rebels, do NOT respond to PMs: BAD idea. NKVD RCs someone and it shows as rebel. He is killed. He flips as innocent. Now we have one important role down and no way to tell if he died due to being framed or by accident. This will cause an uproar which would be an ample opportunity for rebels to cause even more chaos. We will never learn who our NKVDs are using this method.

NKVD do not disguise themselves as rebels: Only good idea yet. Read Ace's posts, if you disagree, pay better attention to who's running against him for Field Marshall. The other candidates would naturally be out to get him because he has the most votes, which he does because his argument is the most logical.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 30 2009 19:27 GMT

#392

I don't think math is coltrane's first language either. Not to be a dick, but I think your arguments would be stronger and clearer without it.

The Vet idea is another good one. I especially like how it didn't cause another 9 pages of bitching.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 31 2009 12:26 GMT

#492

On July 31 2009 19:09 Siefu wrote:

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On July 31 2009 09:13 coltrane wrote:

On July 31 2009 07:14 Shikyo wrote:
I've thought about this a little. Posing as Veteran has the benefit of possible living longer. Also, if a NKVD checks another NKVD, he'd know it was a blue(I mean red) and could start talking to him and form a circle.

Posing as Ukrainians needs to have enough gains to overweight the innate losses. The obvious problem of course is that when a NKVD checks another NKVD, instead of being able to form any kind of a circle, it'll most likely lead to the death of both NKVD's. Although some people say that the risk is too small to consider, I'm... not sure. The chance is still there, and it'd be an extremely heavy blow to the town, and a waste of 2 days of lynches(Potentially like 18 kills max for the Ukrainians).

Now, besides this huge problem, the gains are: If an Ukrainian checks a NKVD posing as an Ukrainian, he contacts him and both get killed after the Ukrainian claims to be NKVD as well. But what if the Ukrainian doesn't contact him in that manner? What if he starts PMing him ordinarily to find out what role he might be? Or analyse posts? And if he's not convinced that he's not rebel, he might just hit someone else and avoid him? Furthermore, trading 1-to-1 townies to Ukrainians isn't a good idea. Ukrainians most likely have a huge KP in this game. Trading 1-1 is most likely not going to be enough unless they kill enough of their own.

But then again the Ukrainians couldn't properly form circles..... Sigh, which of these is better depends on who the Ukrainians are and their playing style and personality, pretty much. I don't think I can pick the plan that is better at this moment.

Dont any one get it? We cant form any ring or whatever in any case.

If a NKVD gets dt by anyone is MUCH MORE PROBABLE that he was DTed from an ukranian. Then NKVD posing as any they want cant trust any who pmed them about their cover. THats why we dont gain any posibility for NKVD to make a ring if they look like vets or any blue role. The advantage you describe is not such.

Then, if the NKVD possing as Ukranian is not contacted, then he will live more and get all of his DTs into a good use.

So the only advantege of get them as vets (to be able to form rings) isnt real. I say it again. They MUST go as ukranians. If you are a NKVD and dont believe me, then go as vet, is better than other things... but you are wasting a nice oportunity (and fun like shit).

And, about the maths, i made an automaton program, is not based upon random things, is based in individual decisions of each virtual player. But, that i made it just for myself. Dont despite good math analisys, like in poker it could give us an edge.

I would lynch ace cuz he is dividing the town... but i am voting for L, and really dont give a shit about first lynch.-

Are you admitting you're a dirty rebel or was that just a slip? lol

This is a good observation.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 31 2009 15:46 GMT

#495

What I meant was, coltrane's posts are usually so nonsensical I didn't even pick up on it the first time I read it. Giving props to Seifu is all.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 01 2009 01:44 GMT

#545

On August 01 2009 09:23 clazziquai wrote:

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Uhh, so by saying that, you think I'm a Ukranian Rebel. What makes you so sure?

Yeah, someone "rolechecked" me and said that I am a rebel. Why do you trust him more than you trust me? Fuck, I or anyone else could have done the same. This seriously confuses me. Just because Ace is the town leader? Please enlighten me.

However like you said in your post, I can't prove to you guys that I am not a rebel

This shit sucks.
But the decision is up to the public. Get rid of me and you waste a lynch.

Oh well. Fucking pathetic.

Clazz, let me explain this to you.

If we lynch the informant and he's a rebel, sure they're down one but we learn NOTHING.
If we lynch no one, we make no progress.
If we lynch you and you're a rebel, they're down one and we now have access to an NVDK we can trust.

Lynching you is the most logical course of action.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 17:17 GMT

#710

This thread is getting harder to read without getting pissed off. All that's happened since I checked it 7 pages ago is....wait, nothing. We're still bitching about the Clazz situation, Ace is still stroking it and L is still whining about Ace stroking it.

Clazz, next time you play and someone calls you out as being a rebel you might find you live longer if you don't suddenly go from being inactive to posting up a shit storm. I don't think anyone actually RCed you. I think Ace had a hunch and you gave him exactly what he wanted.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 17:47 GMT

#713

On August 03 2009 02:23 L wrote:
People who regularly post blocks of text that don't actually say anything or provide real content are generally trying to fake activity for various reasons.

What's yours?

All that's happened since I checked it 7 pages ago is....wait, nothing.

You're a little late with that observation, but it's okay. At least you got it now.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 18:04 GMT

#716

You'll just find something else to whine about. It's kind of all you do.

I'll wait for someone else to second me on this.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 18:20 GMT

#718

If the trends in responses to your "contributions" in this thread come off as respect to you, I probably wouldn't want to be as respected as you are. Anyway, I'm glad you see where I'm coming from.

Anyway, I would like to request Ace to compile a list of people he believes would be optimal focuses for rolechecks. I have a feeling NVDKs aren't performing as best as they could be and it would be nice having different perspectives floating around.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 18:47 GMT

#723

On August 03 2009 03:33 L wrote:

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Thanks buddy.

Two questions:

1) Why don't you feel that NVDK are performing as best they could?

2) Why is Ace optimally placed to make a list?

Why don't you make one for us?

1) Because no one knows who is who yet.

2) He is the field marshal, he hasn't been wrong yet, I like his ideas, and he's sure as hell smarter and less obnoxious than you are.

Why don't I make one for us? Because no one would care. Refer to (2) if you're still confused. Also, you're welcome and I forgive you.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 18:57 GMT

#725

[QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:49 Elemenope wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:47 Sinensis wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 03 2009 03:33 L wrote:
[quote]
2) He is the field marshal, he hasn't been wrong yet[/QUOTE]

Bad thinking.
[/QUOTE]

You're probably right. It's better not to have more than one perspective, especially when one of them is from the person with the most powerful role in the game.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 19:03 GMT

#729

I don't feel like quoting you anymore because you don't know how and it's ugly to look at.

In response to "Are you blind?" though I offer:

Are you vague?

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 02 2009 19:55 GMT

#737

You mad L? You sound mad.

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 05 2009 17:18 GMT

#1037

On August 06 2009 00:20 ~OpZ~ wrote:
And this isn't me roleclaiming...I could continue playing, but I decided not to bring my lap top with me...I don't trust the place I'm going anymore.

I don't really understand what this means. You're going to kill someone tonight, but you aren't roleclaiming, and you left your laptop somewhere because you don't "trust the place you're going anymore."

???

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

August 05 2009 21:30 GMT

#1045

If you don't believe I am a rebel, I am going to announce my kill later in the day and I assure you that person will die.

Might have been a better idea to do this first.

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