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Last Edited: 2009-07-25 07:24:25
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(T)Iris <Andromeda> (Z)oDin

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(Z)EffOrt <Neo Harmony> (T)firebathero

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(Z)Kwanro <Neo Medusa> (T)Miracle

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(P)Movie <Heartbreak Ridge> (P)JangBi

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(P)Much <Shades of Twilight> (P)Stork

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Closer <Outsider> Closer


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Statistics (by Mystlord)
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The line directly below holds a different version of previous Statistics. It goes in this order:
(W-L of the Last 5 Games of Player 1 in the Match up, Overall %), Map Statistics for that Match up, (W-L of the Last 5 Games of Player 2 in the Match up, %).

(T)Iris <Andromeda> (Z)oDin

(4-1, 55%), 33-30, (1-4, 19.23%)

This should be a walkover. Just from the Statistics, you can tell that oDin is severely outmatched here. His last televised win against a Terran was about a year ago against BoxeR. This year, he is 3-5 in Proleague, with wins against Reach, Rock, and Haran. Iris is looking solid this year. He's become one of CJ's go to guys this year, and he's even in the Ro4 in the GOM Classic Season 3 where he is also matched up against a Zerg. Although his weakest match up is against Zerg, he has pulled out some surprisingly effective play this season in games against great and ZerO. Although he can't even begin to match up with S class players, oDin is clearly outmatched in this game.

The map doesn't help either. Andromeda has a very mixed record TvZ, and although Zergs have found a second wind on the map during Winners League, games between comparable players have shown that Andromeda is still slightly Terran favored. Flash during his little mini-slump beat down a rising YellOw[ArnC] on that map, and Sea even bested Jaedong in an epic match late last year.

(T)sKyHigh <Destination> (Z)great

(1-4, 57.69%), 45-31, (4-1, 53.85%)

After his epic two takedowns of Jaedong in the Winners League, we haven't really heard much from Skyhigh in TvZ. His TvZ is okay at best, but he hasn't really been performing that well at all in the match up. He got knocked out of GOM Classic 3 by July 1-2, and knocked out of the MSL 0-2 by failed cheeses ZerO. He hasn't been able to secure a win against any good Zerg in the past few months. However, that is not to say that he is slumping. He was vital to CJ's dismantling of SPARKYZ in their match, absolutely destroying Leta twice. In addition, he scored a win against fantasy, one of the best TvT players out there right now. So what's Skyhigh's problem? Probably a lack of game sense in the match up. I mean it's like all SkyHigh can do now against Zerg is cheese. Even then, he still kind of fails at it. Great originally had an okay record, but lately, he has been stepping up his game and has showed us what he is capable of. He beat out Calm for the Ace Match in the first set of Khan v STX, and he beat out hero earlier in the same match. However, his ZvT is relatively untested. His most recent televised match was against Lomo, where he had a fairly close game. However, just two months ago, great got knocked out the OSL in the Preliminary stages by... kkong. I don't even know who kkong is, but great lost 0-2 to that guy, so his ZvT isn't exactly top notch. However, his recent games have shown us that he does have the potential.

The most famous instance of Skyhigh's play on Destination is obviously Skyhigh vs. Jaedong in Winner's League. The map itself favors Terran, but lately the record is rather mixed. The play on Destination has really evolved since it's inception, so past games won't do the map much justice.



(Z)EffOrt <Neo Harmony> (T)firebathero

(4-1, 64.86%), 17-20, (2-3, 57.69%)

This match is probably going to be the game of the night. EffOrt has lately become an absolute monster, rolling over pretty much anyone who stands in his way. His only recent loss has been to Flash (The one where EffOrt didn't expect cheese), but overall, he hasn't lost to anyone recently except for YellOw[ArnC], Jaedong, and IrOn. For the past 25 ZvT games, the only loss that wasn't in a Bo3 was to Flash. That's a pretty impressive run. He's overall 22-3 for the past 25 ZvTs. That's all that needs to be said on EffOrt. Firebathero is... well, not looking so hot. The most recent TvZ he played was against Calm, which he lost in a rather decisive fashion on the same map he's going to play EffOrt on. His TvZ definitely isn't what it used to be, although even then it was rather inconsistent. Overall, the picture doesn't get that much better. He's pretty much breaking even right now in terms of win-loss for the past 10 games, and many of those losses or wins aren't against the best of players (except for his game versus Flash). If FBH shows a similar performance like he gave in his previous Proleague match, well, the game won't be pretty.

Neo Harmony has been very back and forth in terms of TvZ. It's been so back and forth that it's hard to draw any real conclusions from its record. However, Neo Harmony is a map where a Mech style has been attempted by Terran, so any games that are Mech on that map have to be thrown out since firebathero probably won't Mech. In that case, the map is still pretty much even. EffOrt has also never played a game on Neo Harmony, and with the recent lack in macro maps, firebathero doesn't have too much information on EffOrt's macro game, so that might give EffOrt a slight edge.

(Z)Kwanro <Neo Medusa> (T)Miracle

(4-1, 57.89%), 9-14, (2-3, 50%)

Kwanro is another player that's playing pretty well at the moment, especially against Terran. He took out Flash in the MSL 2-1, and rolled over Justin in CJ v SPARKYZ. His game sense has definitely developed since his early days as just a very, very aggressive Zerg player. Kwanro has also proven that he can take games to the end game and not completely fall apart. Miracle has a very limited record, so there's not a lot of information on him. He has performed decently in Proleague, although he did drop out of the OSL 1-2 to hyvaa. From looking at a few of Miracle's TvZs, Miracle is similar to Kwanro in that he also plays a fairly aggressive TvZ style. He takes the fight to his opponent with aggressive 1 base plays, but he falters when he's on the defensive. This should be a fairly interesting match if both players opt to go for an agressive build.

The map Neo Medusa appears to have quite a Terran bias, but there hasn't really been any games played between two comparable players, however, a popular trend on Neo Medusa lately has been an aggressive 2 Hatch muta opening, so considering that it is Kwanro, we'll probably see some sort of 2 Hatch play from him.

(P)Movie <Heartbreak Ridge> (P)JangBi

(1-4, 36.36%), 21 PvPs played, (2-3, 51.56%)

After his spectacular Leta snipe, Movie showed a rather lackluster game when he got crushed by Justin on Day 2. It shows that Movie is still a rather inconsistent player that can play a spectacular game... sometimes. Anyway, PvP is Movie's worst match up, and it shows statistically and in his record. However, he hasn't exactly lost to the worst PvP players. In his games this year, the only three players that he's played that isn't a top Protoss are Horang2, GuemChi, and Violet. Of those, he's only won against GuemChi, but that's nothing to be ashamed about considering that his opponents are top notch PvP players. Then again, look at JangBi's PvP record this year, and he's played a ton of good Protosses with a mixed record. He's played Bisu 8 times this year, free 3 times, Stork 3 times, and Kal twice. Of those, he's 3-0ed free and Stork, is 3-5 against Bisu, and is 1-1 with Kal. That's a pretty impressive PvP record. On the other hand, he's lost to Jaehoon (WTF) andYoonJong recently (Much cheesed him, doesn't count ), so he's in a little mini slump in terms of PvP. However, his recent wins in Proleague have surely revitalized him, so JangBi might be psychologically over with his slump. If that's the case, expect to see a very one-sided PvP match.

Neo Medusa is a map that's pretty notorious for it's positional imbalance. On certain positions, reaver drops become much more dangerous because of the positioning of the main bases. This might play some role in determining the winner of this match, but clutch storms or reaver micro can steal the win away in PvP, so anything is possible.

(P)Much <Shades of Twilight> (P)Stork

(1-4, 50.79%), 5 PvPs played, (4-1, 59.74%)

There's really no doubt that Much is in quite a slump right now and he hasn't been able to break out of it. His only wins recently against Protoss were JangBi and Reach, both of which were proxy 2 Gate cheeses. There's no doubt right now that if Much plays straight up, he'll probably lose to Stork. Stork is looking very solid in PvP. He's beaten Bisu, free, and BackHo twice. His only loss was against SangHo, where Stork looked like a total idiot. Interestingly, the game before against Bisu, Stork pulled some awesome 2 speed shuttle reaver harass and destroyed Bisu. Stork definitely is not to be trifled with in standard PvP, and Much should realize that he has little chance if he plays standard.

Shades of Twilight is a map that is perfect for a very harass oriented style of play. There are a lot of areas where reavers or templar can be dropped, and this style suits Stork's style of play. If it coems down to late game PvP, Stork's style of play is perfect for Shades of Twilight.

< Outsider >
TvZ: 25-30 (45.5%)
ZvP: 11-10 (52.4%)
PvT: 15-13 (53.6%)

CJ is most likely going to send out EffOrt to play on this map since he's EffOrt and it's Outsider. However, the question is who will Khan send? They probably wouldn't trust firebathero anymore, and great is probably out as well since EffOrt's ZvZ is looking too good. Therefore, it'll probably either be JangBi or Stork. Since the map is another instance of one where Stork's harass style can come into good use, he's the more likely choice.


Predictions (by Mystlord)
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(T)Iris <Andromeda> (Z)oDin

Have you looked at oDin's ZvT record? (See above)

(T)sKyHigh <Destination> (Z)great

Unless sKyHigh pulls some epic cheese.

(Z)EffOrt <Neo Harmony> (T)firebathero

EffOrt is just too good right now.

(Z)Kwanro <Neo Medusa> (T)Miracle

I think this one will probably be closer than I think, but Kwanro's play is just more solid so I'll go with him.

(P)Movie <Heartbreak Ridge> (P)JangBi

I <3 JangBi.

(P)Much <Shades of Twilight> (P)Stork

Unless Much cheeses.

(Z)EffOrt <Outsider> (P)Stork

I'm too conflicted to choose.




Prediction:
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(T)Iris <Andromeda> (Z)oDin
(T)sKyHigh <Destination> (Z)great
(Z)EffOrt <Neo Harmony> (T)firebathero
(Z)Kwanro <Neo Medusa> (T)Miracle
(P)Movie <Heartbreak Ridge> (P)JangBi
(P)Much <Shades of Twilight> (P)Stork
Closer <Outsider> Closer

CJ Entus < 4 - 0 > Samsung KHAN





Results:
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(T)Iris <Andromeda> (Z)oDin
(T)sKyHigh <Destination> (Z)great
(Z)EffOrt <Neo Harmony> (T)firebathero
(Z)Kwanro <Neo Medusa> (T)Miracle
(P)Movie <Heartbreak Ridge> (P)JangBi
(P)Much <Shades of Twilight> (P)Stork
Closer <Outsider> Closer
CJ Entus < 2 - 4 > Samsung KHAN





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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 22 2009 11:42 GMT
#2
I see clearly 4:0 for CJ in the first day, if sKyHigh drops his game it's going to an Ace match.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
July 22 2009 11:47 GMT
#3
I predict CJ 4-1 with FBH taking out EffOrt

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WrongEdge
Profile Joined May 2009
Singapore57 Posts
July 22 2009 11:48 GMT
#4
Skyhigh is playing on destination, his stomping ground. Hope to see more offensive CC from skyhigh
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
July 22 2009 11:57 GMT
#5
Skyhigh as an opener hell yessss.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
July 22 2009 12:18 GMT
#6
Clearly 4-0 for CJ. But if someone like Kwanro or Skyhigh drops his game, it will most likely go to Ace. In the Ace, I don't think anyone can beat Effort straight up on Outsider. *Votes CJ*
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
July 22 2009 12:24 GMT
#7
sounds like a 4-0 for cj, but on the other hand khan is not chanceless. they only need to snipe one of them and stork + jangbi get their shit together to make it to the ace.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6174 Posts
July 22 2009 12:27 GMT
#8
I really fell this going into ACE. jangbi is PvP monster, Stork can be anyone if he is in shape. Just need a Miracle to append
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
July 22 2009 12:31 GMT
#9
cj will take this 4-ZERO... i don't know what khan is expecting with that lineup.
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
July 22 2009 12:32 GMT
#10
4TvZs and 2 PvP, with the latter four players being pretty good.

Why is it Stork vs Much... I can't choose one~
Stuck.
RushWifDietCoke
Profile Joined May 2008
United States488 Posts
July 22 2009 12:49 GMT
#11
I'm so excited for this I can't stand it. I agree with your predictions Kona, CJ did a nice job with their lineup for day 1. Day 2 should be closer but we'll see. I hope we see some kind of BM between FBH and effort, but maybe I'm just getting my hopes up. Go CJ!!!
Nothing to it but to do it.
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1366 Posts
July 22 2009 12:55 GMT
#12
4:3 for Khan with FBH beating Effort in their match and in the ace match
monkxly
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada241 Posts
July 22 2009 13:01 GMT
#13
savior for ace? =/ no savior in line-up
get a spire
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
July 22 2009 13:03 GMT
#14
4:3 Khan.. FBH and Great just need to win.. dragons will do the rest <3
..
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51480 Posts
July 22 2009 13:08 GMT
#15
If CJ lose this day I'll eat my underwear.
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
July 22 2009 13:08 GMT
#16
EffOrt vs FBH has a lot of potential to be awesome
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
July 22 2009 13:10 GMT
#17
On July 22 2009 22:08 GTR wrote:
If CJ lose this day I'll eat my underwear.


How we gonna have proof?! You streaming?
Stuck.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66224 Posts
July 22 2009 13:11 GMT
#18
On July 22 2009 22:08 GTR wrote:
If CJ lose this day I'll eat my underwear.

quoted just in case

you must post pics if it happens
POGGERS
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
July 22 2009 13:15 GMT
#19
CJ 4-0 or 4-1
Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 22 2009 13:18 GMT
#20
Pretty much everyone is a favorite on CJ except for Much, and they probably won't even get a chance to play him since CJ is going to stomp on Khan.
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