EPT[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season
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BloodyC0bbler
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I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games. I appreciate Plexa for trying to make this game interesting with the addition of different roles, tweaking how some work, and the addition of fog. Now lets outline why I should be in office. Weather I'm already seeing debate on weather, and You guys are saying opt for rain? We have two medics, each have an extra life, and they can protect people. Historically medics have sucked more than any other role in the game, IE don't depend on them early game, how hard is this to understand, MEDICS DO NOT WIN GAMES. This instantly gets rid of the damn rain option. Next we have sunny which allows our assassins to attack. If you guys vote for this I will kill you. EVEN IF they hit a mafia, which we all jump and joy in, there is a chance they hit the godfather, and guess what, this means the godfather role gets given to another mafia and we have to find the damn guy again, way to much effort, so sunny isn't an option we want, also vigi roles aren't always reliable, lynches are where we have to win, so SUNNY is out. Next we have snow, snow is useful for hey additional clues. Guess what, most of the top clue analyzers from all previous games aren't in this one, IE the amount of people benefiting from these clues is so damn small its not worth voting on, so we ignore snow. This leaves fog, ie WE SPAM FOG. All greens should be voting fog every day to keep it going. It removes the pledges kp from the mafia. So if there would be at least 1 possibly as high as 3 or 4 pledges. This will reduce a KP from the mafia meaning 1-2 less people die at night. THAT IS A GUARENTEE. Medics are not guarenteed to protect so this is a safer bet. So we spam fog until the pledges are all dead, then move on to a different weather. Also note, with fog reducing the mafia KP, the suicide bomber will be less likely to use his ability as it removes even more kp from them. Leadership In most games I have played, I have worked in some way in town circles working for the benefit of the town, many times leading to a win for the town. This gives me the experience to help lead the town and help keep it organized. The towns in the last few games have been reduced to very small voices screaming at a mass of chaos and leads to failure, it has to stop. I would make an excellent choice for the leadership purely based off my experience at keeping some form of order. Untop of that, for once I am one of a very few in terms of a specific skill. I, as ive said in other games, clue analyze. Out of the current player base of this game, Myself and Pyrr are most likely most known for spending time on clues (there may be one or two people from pyrr's game , but i didnt pay much attention to it). This means either him or myself should have the bg protection purely to keep us alive to use that skill. I will do my best to keep us alive. Double Lynch I will make sure we get these used on top mafia targets, IE if we have two insanely guilty looking people, double lynch will be used. We wont have to worry about constantly voting for double lynch one day, then worrying mafia stop it. IT WILL GET USED and by god it will get by the town. These are merely a few points, but seriously with the debate of what to vote on for weather, A strong player is needed as the emperor or we are all fucked. Vote for me but more importantly VOTE FOR FOG | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On July 03 2009 05:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: DECISION CALCULUS: More clues don't necessarily help - they often cause people to become suspicious in ways that the clue writer hadn't predicted at all. 5 KP is a ton so I think we should work on lessening that unless we figure out Plexa's clue writing style (has he run a game before? If so, definitely post about his writing style if you were in it). I would guess there are 2-6 pledges, so that would mean fog would drop KP by 0-1... OK, I think that means there have to be at least 4 Pledges because otherwise Fog wouldn't even lower KP on Day 1. So here's the math: Fog: KP is 4 with a 2/38 chance of blocking another hit. Rain: KP is 5 with a 4/38 chance of blocking a hit. Obviously the chance is much higher than random if the medic is skilled and a list is used well. I would go with Fog unless we are sure we want to vote check and Rain if we do want to vote check. Medics are almost always shit. Especially early game when they have no idea whos important to check, Vote for fog Fog is a guarenteed chance of dropping mafia kp by at least 1 if not 2, while rain lets mafia still get 5 hits, and we have a low chance of actually protecting that 1-2 hits they would lose with fog. IE till we lynch a few reds, fog should be kept in use to stop pledges (it also lets us know how many pledges there are roughly). It also means suicide bomber less likely to act to drop their kp even lower. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Otherwise the KP of 5 is way to high for day 1. 38 players - 8 red = 30/5= 6 days needed to kill us (provided no lynches used) If we lynch townies incorrectly it drops even lower. So fog should drop the KP of the mafia by 1 or possibly 2 to even it out. It also gives us an idea of how many pledges in the game there are. As for your equation all mafia give .5 cept for gf. so mafia looks to have a starting KP of 4.5 rounded up. so math should be as followed. say 2 pledges total 3.5 - (.5 x 2/2) =3 then 3 + 1(gf kp) mafia has 4 kp. the only way their KP isnt lowered is if there is exactly 1 pledge. | ||
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DT's Last thread Plexa made it clear in the last thread that a player if checked by a DT flip their original colour (ie emperor flips as whatever his role was before election, dt flips as dt, mafia flips as mafia) only exception being the godfather. Checks can also be used at any point in the day. So, by that meaning. Dts should automatically be checking Myself, ie BloodyC0bbler and mrbabyhands If we flip as town, immediately contact us. ALSO there are two you. so there is the risk that you double check on one of us but still that pays off as we get 2 dts immediately working together. THEY can act right now, IE before the mafia can act. So check me first, get me into office and we go from there. The power of dts in this game is absolutely insane, as only one role is fliped incorrectly. They also can act day 1. | ||
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On July 03 2009 08:27 Plexa wrote: Just to clarify here BC, the check will only tell you whether the person is mafia or not. Will not say that the person is a DT or that the person is the suicide bomber. My bad. Will it tell you if a suicide bomber is red though? Ie dt checks bomber, bomber gets a yes to being mafia? If not edit your bomber role to state that. Still, it stands to let you know if whoever you check is legit or not. The sooner a dt checks the sooner an alliance can form, the chances of hitting the gf this early are way to low, and as the roles were just recently sent out, mafia will still be disorganized, one dt should be checking me instantly. | ||
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If I'm not checked in the instant near future, random check either me, pyrr or mbh. As we will be top 3 for him to use his ability on. | ||
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Man, a vote list check is useless unless we get town to JUST vote on two lists and break it up that way which requires insane organization to just pin a few pledges, just kill their KP instead | ||
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On July 03 2009 14:16 Foolishness wrote: Which is exactly my point. JeeJee ran under the premise he was experienced, and he was one of the main reasons the town lost. See I've competently lead(along with sog) a town to victory in a elected position, and we manhandled the mafia. Also note, Jeejee isnt amazing, hes played but not super experienced. I also have a valid start to how to do this game as opposed to argue weather conditions, WHICH WE ARE STILL DOING. FFS vote fog and lets get the elections voting going. | ||
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On July 03 2009 16:10 Foolishness wrote: That is by far the most useless post in this topic, and that's quite a feat considering there's already a bunch of other useless posts. And hey a bunch of useless posts by you. Heres some tips for you. Stop just insulting people and post something useful towards the town, like possible avenues for the town to win, or to deal with mafia, etc... we have three people running for office, of those three two have provided some form of platform, So concentrate on voting for two people. This creates as L said, vote lists to check later. | ||
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On July 03 2009 16:28 Ace wrote: God I hate it when BC tries to stop the chaos and trolling :/  I like to win which requires no trolling rawr. | ||
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On July 03 2009 16:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: posting to confirm i got my role pm. yeah fog is far and away the best option for day 1. Depending on how the clues look, I can see snow working for day 2. The important thing about being able to list check is it gives us more information to pick from for our double lynches. I don't want to be working largely off clues/behavior if the oppurtunity for list checking exists. e: spelling List check only works in ideal conditions like A) town being smart and breaking off into vote lists on top suspects and checking them seperately B) Dt's being competent and then knowing who to supply info with C) taking an enormous amount of time to pin pledges. For now, reducing their kp is a higher priority. After day 1 if we don't fog, we should move into rain. But depends on how many pledges there are, and if we succesfully first lynch one. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Snow is only useful to the few players in this game who can clue analyze, so As much as i would love fog, it is just not reasonable to use unless his clues are insanely simple | ||
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Mystic can use his ability right away (of if this changes to night still doesnt matter). The GF can alter what a person flips the following day IE GF sends in his hit list tonight and says player X will be seen as red for a dt check. Player X is seen as red following morning into night. THIS MEANS Two dts, check myself and MBH or Myself and L NOW At this point the reveal rate is almost 100% so lets abuse it please. EDIT: If whoever you check does not flip mafia, instantly tell them Chances of hitting the GF are low, and we need dts working with a voice asap. | ||
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On July 04 2009 01:06 redtooth wrote: I am not trolling you when I say we should vote Sunny. Also, we need clarification on the mystic vs Godfather debate. If the Godfather's power takes effect instantly (and prior to mystic using his power) then checking out BC might cause more headaches than benefits because: - BC might be Townie and flip green - BC might be Godfather and flip green - BC might be Mafia and Godfather might use Cover on him so he flips green - BC might be Townie and Godfather's Cover might cause him to flip red - BC might be Mafia and just flip red and he might try to argue the above I doubt he will actually flip red. However, even if he does flip green there are enough scenarios for us to not trust him fully. Remember - town circles should only form and people should only tell someone their role only if there is a 100% chance they are innocent. I feel like BC is playing like his normal self (bossy, assertive, logically sound) but I am scared to fully trust him from the get go. ~21% of the players were chosen to be mafia so it is possible that either him or MBH were chosen to be mafia. That should lead the town to be suspicious from the get-go. However, BC is the best candidate for emperor by leaps and bounds. I'm sort of torn but I will go ahead and support his candidacy. Also, WE SHOULD VOTE SUNNY. The GF's power does not act instantly, if you read how the mechanic works he sends who he wants to use it on with the mafia hitlist. The following morning it takes effect. SO till day 2, we have a window for the mystics to use their checks. Which means only one player in this game will come up incorrectly to the check. One mystic checks me, one checks L or mbh. very low chance on any of us being the gf, and impossible for all 3 to be gf, ie if both people checked come back as no to the "are they mafia" then guarenteed one, if not both are safe. | ||
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On July 04 2009 03:29 So no fek wrote: Only problem there is that the mystics could potentially check the same person. Just have to be left up to luck, I guess, in who they decide to check. True, but we can hope we get lucky and one person checks L one me (due to us being people running for office). The only mafia who can run for it without being caught by check is the GF, hense if they fielded anyone for the position, it should be him. Overall we need our dts to be active, and hopefully reading the thread to know who to check. | ||
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Fog will give us a general idea of how many pledges we are dealing with, as well as killing half of the pledge KP. If we opt for rain later, that is useful. But honestly if a town is unable to win a game of mafia without votechecking, we are screwed. The pure reason for not wanting to bother much with it is based purely on previous games where with votecheck town gets reds way to easily and barely win or dominate (and spoils the fun) and without it mafia just dominates. Here we have a chance for players to learn how to play the game and if we need the votecheck use it, but you advocate on it way to much would would lead me to think you plan on depending on it, but that gives you pledges, while the gf and reg mafia run free. Clue/behavioural analysis are insanely effective if the town stays unified, which is what we must do fast. If mafia disrupts the leadership of the town we are gone. As it stands now, the chances of heavon, myself or L being gf are not guarenteed. We have spent alot of time arguing weather, and almost no one is active/voting yet which means they really don't have to jump out and play seriously as we are already in semi chaos, mafia can easily just fan that chaos and mislead our lynches. Overall, in terms of experience L and I have the most from running, and from general platforms he and I would do things most likely very similarly. Hense either one of us makes a more reasonable choice. I would urge the town to ignore heavon on the base of "i ran before i had my role" as he never gave a solid campaign, he was around yesterday and didn't provide a campaign, and is just now bothering with it. He also mentions the rolechecking of him where it would be easy to find out his role, yet his chances of rolling the gf are just as high as mine or L's do not get confused by this. L, myself and Heavon all have the same chances of being the GF, its also not true that him in office is playing it safe. He hasn't given a serious idea of what to do other than "hey i ran early with no platform and have the same chance of being GF, vs Two people who are trying to create a form of order, have experience in leadership or town circles as heads. as for town circles, I do not mean last game as I was traitor last game and my object was to do exactly as he mentioned. In this case, there is no traitor role, and if you read up any previous game i played and compare to last game, you would realize im town. NOW, Due to his wanting to rely on votechecks, lack of experience not wanting to rolecheck me or L (lwut?) and asking for pure trust based on no campaign platform before his role (or before other candidates) leads me to believe that he wants the position purely from what his role is. Most pre role campaigners have a platform they run off, this was not the case. His lack of campaigning quickly leads me to believe he is either dt/priest or mafia/gf. He is not safe, do not vote for him. | ||
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YOU opted to wait, making a delayed real entry till after two other campaigns were started and other than your campaign post and this one you just made, have made no real contribution other than "hey i agree with those guys, just dont vote for them". Your role plays as much a part of you as anyone else at this point in terms of election, and don't think differently. Every other game with campaigns before roles have led to real campaigns and planning and how people would do things, you offered nothing. | ||
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