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Shinhan 08-09 Proleague Overall Ranking of Players

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United States4549 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-08 05:39:44
May 15 2009 02:45 GMT
#1
Shinhan 08-09 Proleague Overall Ranking of Players TO DATE

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08-09 Proleague Overall Wins by Race
Overall Terran Wins
1. (T)Flash - 42 Wins
2. (T)Leta - 36 Wins
3. (T)HiyA - 31 Wins
4. (T)Really - 26 Wins
4. (T)Light - 26 Wins
Overall Protoss Wins
1. (P)Bisu - 42 Wins
2. (P)free - 29 Wins
3. (P)BeSt - 27 Wins
4. (P)Kal - 26 Wins
5. (P)JangBi - 25 Wins
Overall Zerg Wins
1. (Z)Jaedong - 41 Wins
2. (Z)Calm - 31 Wins
3. (Z)ZerO - 28 Wins
3. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 28 Wins
3. (Z)hyvaa - 28 Wins

08-09 Proleague Race Matchup Rankings
T v T
1. (T)Flash - 20 wins
2. (T)Leta - 18 Wins
3. (T)HiyA - 11 Wins
3. (T)Really - 11 Wins
3. (T)Light - 11 Wins
T v P
1. (T)Flash - 16 Wins
2. (T)HiyA - 15 Wins
3. (T)Mind - 8 Wins
3. (T)Leta - 8 Wins
3. (T)fantasy - 8 Wins
T v Z
1. (T)Light - 10 Wins
1. (T)Leta - 10 Wins
3. (T)Really - 8 Wins
3. (T)Iris - 8 Wins
3. (T)firebathero - 8 wins

P v P
1. (P)Bisu - 15 Wins
2. (P)Kal - 9 Wins
3. (P)BeSt - 8 Wins
4. (P)Anytime - 6 Wins
4. (P)Stork - 6 Wins
P v T
1. (P)free - 13 Wins
2. (P)BeSt - 11 Wins
3. (P)Stork - 10 Wins
4. (P)Bisu - 9 Wins
4. (P)JangBi - 9 Wins
P v Z
1. (P)Bisu - 18 Wins
2. (P)Kal - 11 Wins
3. (P)free - 10 Wins
3. (P)JangBi - 10 Wins
5. (P)BeSt - 8 wins

Z v Z
1. (Z)Jaedong - 18 Wins
2. (Z)ZerO - 13 Wins
3. (Z)hyvaa - 12 Wins
4. (Z)Calm - 11 Wins
4. (Z)great - 11 Wins
Z v T
1. (Z)Jaedong - 16 Wins
2. (Z)Calm - 12 Wins
3. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 10 Wins
4. (Z)ZerO - 9 Wins
5. (Z)hyvaa - 8 Wins
Z v P
1. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 9 Wins
1. (Z)July - 9 Wins
3. (Z)Calm - 8 Wins
3. (Z)hyvaa - 8 Wins
5. (Z)Jaedong - 7 Wins
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Shinhan Proleague 08-09 Overall Wins by Race
Overall Terran Wins
1. (T)Flash - 42 Wins
2. (T)Leta - 38 Wins +2
3. (T)HiyA - 31 Wins
4. (T)Really - 27 Wins +1
4. (T)Light - 27 Wins +1
Overall Protoss Wins
1. (P)Bisu - 44 Wins +2
2. (P)free - 30 Wins +1
3. (P)BeSt - 28 Wins +1
4. (P)Kal - 27 Wins +1
4. (P)JangBi - 27 Wins +2
Overall Zerg Wins
1. (Z)Jaedong - 43 Wins +2
2. (Z)Calm - 31 Wins
3. (Z)hyvaa - 30 Wins +2
4. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 29 Wins +1
5. (Z)ZerO - 28 Wins

08-09 Proleague Race Matchup Rankings
T v T
1. (T)Flash - 20 wins
2. (T)Leta - 18 Wins
3. (T)Really - 11 Wins
4. (T)HiyA - 11 Wins
4. (T)Light - 11 Wins
T v P
1. (T)Flash - 16 Wins
2. (T)HiyA - 15 Wins
3. (T)fantasy - 10 Wins +2
4. (T)Leta - 8 Wins
4. (T)Mind - 8 Wins
T v Z
1. (T)Leta - 12 Wins +2
2. (T)Light - 11 Wins +1
3. (T)Really - 8 Wins
3. (T)Iris - 8 Wins
3. (T)firebathero - 8 wins

P v P
1. (P)Bisu - 15 Wins
2. (P)Kal - 9 Wins
3. (P)BeSt - 8 Wins
4. (P)SangHo - 7 Wins
4. (P)free - 7 Wins
P v T
1. (P)free - 13 Wins
2. (P)BeSt - 12 Wins +1
3. (P)Stork - 11 Wins +1
4. (P)JangBi - 10 Wins +1
5. (P)Bisu - 9 Wins
P v Z
1. (P)Bisu - 20 Wins +2
2. (P)Kal - 11 Wins
2. (P)JangBi - 11 Wins +1
4. (P)free - 10 Wins
5. (P)BeSt - 8 wins

Z v Z
1. (Z)Jaedong - 20 Wins +2
2. (Z)ZerO - 13 Wins
2. (Z)hyvaa - 13 Wins +1
4. (Z)Calm - 11 Wins
4. (Z)great - 11 Wins
Z v T
1. (Z)Jaedong - 16 Wins
2. (Z)Calm - 12 Wins
3. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 10 Wins
4. (Z)ZerO - 9 Wins
4. (Z)hyvaa - 9 Wins +1
Z v P
1. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 9 Wins
1. (Z)July - 9 Wins
3. (Z)Calm - 8 Wins
3. (Z)hyvaa - 8 Wins
5. (Z)Jaedong - 7 Wins

Original Korean Table:
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CURRENTLY as of 05/27/09
08-09 Proleague Overall Wins by Race
Overall Terran Wins
1. (T)Flash - 43 Wins +1
2. (T)Leta - 38 Wins
3. (T)HiyA - 31 Wins
4. (T)Light - 28 Wins +1
5. (T)Really - 27 Wins
Overall Protoss Wins
1. (P)Bisu - 44 Wins
2. (P)free - 30 Wins
3. (P)BeSt - 28 Wins
4. (P)JangBi - 28 Wins +1
5. (P)Kal - 27 Wins
Overall Zerg Wins
1. (Z)Jaedong - 44 Wins +1
2. (Z)Calm - 32 Wins +1
3. (Z)hyvaa - 30 Wins
4. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 29 Wins
5. (Z)ZerO - 28 Wins

08-09 Proleague Race Matchup Rankings
T v T
1. (T)Flash - 21 wins +1
2. (T)Leta - 18 Wins
3. (T)Really - 12 Wins +1
4. (T)HiyA - 11 Wins
4. (T)Light - 11 Wins
T v P
1. (T)Flash - 16 Wins
2. (T)HiyA - 15 Wins
3. (T)fantasy - 10 Wins
4. (T)Leta - 8 Wins
4. (T)Mind - 8 Wins
T v Z
1. (T)Leta - 12 Wins
2. (T)Light - 11 Wins
3. (T)Really - 8 Wins
3. (T)Iris - 8 Wins
3. (T)firebathero - 8 wins

P v P
1. (P)Bisu - 15 Wins
2. (P)Kal - 9 Wins
3. (P)BeSt - 8 Wins
4. (P)SangHo - 7 Wins
4. (P)free - 7 Wins
P v T
1. (P)free - 13 Wins
2. (P)BeSt - 12 Wins
3. (P)Stork - 11 Wins
4. (P)JangBi - 10 Wins
5. (P)Bisu - 9 Wins
P v Z
1. (P)Bisu - 20 Wins
2. (P)JangBi - 12 Wins +1
3. (P)Kal - 11 Wins
4. (P)free - 10 Wins
5. (P)BeSt - 8 wins

Z v Z
1. (Z)Jaedong - 21 Wins +1
2. (Z)ZerO - 13 Wins
2. (Z)hyvaa - 13 Wins
4. (Z)Calm - 11 Wins
4. (Z)great - 11 Wins
Z v T
1. (Z)Jaedong - 16 Wins
2. (Z)Calm - 12 Wins
3. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 10 Wins
4. (Z)ZerO - 9 Wins
4. (Z)hyvaa - 9 Wins
Z v P
1. (Z)Calm - 9 Wins +1
1. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] - 9 Wins
1. (Z)July - 9 Wins
4. (Z)hyvaa - 8 Wins
5. (Z)Jaedong - 7 Wins

Click for Winning Percentage Leaders!
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On May 26 2009 00:03 Musoeun wrote:
I'd update this in the original post I made, but I dunno if anyone would actually scroll down to see it, so it's here:

UNOFFICIAL Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 Winning Percentage Leaders

Overall
(minimum 25 games)
All
1. (P)Bisu (80%) [-1%]
2. (T)Flash (73%) [-2%]
3. (Z)Jaedong (72%) [+1%]
4. (T)Leta (70%) [+1,+2%]
5. (Z)July (68%) [-1]
Protoss
1. (P)Bisu (80%) [-1%]
2. (P)JangBi (65%) [+1,+2%]
3. (P)free[gm] (61%) [+1,-1%]
4. (P)BeSt (61%) [-2,-2%]
5. (P)Stork (57%) [*]
Terran
1. (T)Flash (73%) [-2%]
2. (T)Leta (70%) [+2%]
3. (T)Light (65%) [+2,+2%]
4. (T)Iris (65%) [-1,-2%]
5. (T)HiyA (63%) [-1,-3%]
Zerg
1. (Z)Jaedong (72%) [+1%]
2. (Z)July (68%)
3. (Z)Calm (64%) [+1,-1%]
4. (Z)EffOrt (63%) [*]
5. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] (61%)

Race Matchups
(minimum 8 games in matchup)
PvP
1. (P)Bisu (75%) [-4%]
2. (P)JangBi (67%) [-1%]
3. (P)SangHo (58%) [*]
4. (P)BeSt (57%) [-5%]
5. (P)Much (56%) [-2,-6%]
PvT
1. (P)Bisu (82%)
2. (P)BeSt (75%) [+2%]
3. (P)Stork (73%) [+2%]
4. (P)JangBi (69%) [+1%]
5. (P)free[gm] (65%)
PvZ
1. (P)Bisu (83%) [+1%]
2. (P)Kal (65%) [-4%]
3. (P)free[gm] (63%)
4. (P)JangBi (62%) [+4%]
5. (P)BeSt (50%) [-3%]

TvP
1. (T)fantasy (77%) [+2,+4%]
2. (T)HiyA (75%) [-4%]
3. (T)Flash (73%) [-2,-7%]
4. (T)Iris (67%) [-1%]
5. (T)Sea (64%)
TvT
1. (T)Flash (81%) [+1%]
2. (T)Leta (78%)
3. (T)UpMaGiC (75%)
4. (T)Light (65%)
5. (T)sKyHigh (63%)
TvZ
1. (T)Leta (80%) [+3%]
2. (T)sKyHigh (75%) [*]
3. (T)Iris (73%) [-1]
4. (T)Light (71%) [-1,+2%]
5. (T)Mind (67%) [-1]

ZvP

1. (Z)July (100%)
2. (Z)Calm (82%) [+2%]
3. (Z)EffOrt (64%) [*]
3. (Z)by.great (64%) [+2]
5. (Z)GGPlay (63%) [*]
5. (Z)OversKy (63%) [*]
ZvT
1. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] (73%) [+2%]
2. (Z)Calm (71%) [+1%]
3. (Z)Jaedong (70%) [+1]
4. (Z)sAviOr (67%) [+1]
4. (Z)July (67%) [*]
ZvZ
1. (Z)Jaedong (84%) [+2%]
2. (Z)hyvaa (70%) [+3%]
3. (Z)EffOrt (67%)
4. (Z)Nal_keke (58%) [*]
5. (Z)by.great (58%) [-7%]

* denotes a new player on the ranking.
[+/-,+/-%] indicates changes since the last ranking


Big news: (Z)OversKy forces me to include 6 players in a best 5 ranking.



UPDATED on 07/08/09!
Thank you Emlary!

On July 08 2009 14:15 Emlary wrote:
Latest ranking (July 7)

Rank ID Win/Loss Ratio
01. (P)Bisu 53/14 79.1%
01. (T)Flash 53/19 73.6%
01. (Z)Jaedong 53/21 71.6%
04. (T)Leta 47/21 69.1%
05. (Z)Calm 40/21 65.6%
06. (T)Light 36/17 67.9%
07. (P)free 35/23 60.3%
08. (P)Kal 34/23 59.6%
09. (Z)EffOrt 33/17 66.0%
09. (T)Really 33/31 51.6%
11. (P)BeSt 32/20 61.5%
11. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] 32/21 60.4%
11. (T)HiyA 32/24 57.1%
11. (Z)hyvaa 32/33 49.2%
15. (P)JangBi 30/21 58.8%
15. (Z)ZerO 30/31 49.2%
17. (T)fantasy 29/21 58.0%
17. (P)Stork 29/22 56.9%
19. (T)Mind 28/22 56.0%
20. (Z)great 27/17 61.4%





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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 02:59:15
May 15 2009 02:51 GMT
#2
Thanks for this!

how does Yarnc have the most ZvP wins? Seriously, how does that happen?

EDIT: Also, this is total wins, not win-loss ratio or wins minus losses or anything like that, right?
Liquipedia
Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
May 15 2009 03:00 GMT
#3
On May 15 2009 11:51 Elyvilon wrote:
Thanks for this!

how does Yarnc have the most ZvP wins? Seriously, how does that happen?

EDIT: Also, this is total wins, not win-loss ratio or wins minus losses or anything like that, right?


Yea, this is just the raw total of wins
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RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
May 15 2009 03:06 GMT
#4
Lol at Flash Bisu and Jaedong being so far ahead

Those three need some sort of name
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
May 15 2009 03:12 GMT
#5
Wow luxury isn't in a single zerg category
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wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
May 15 2009 03:27 GMT
#6
Amazing how bad Flash's TvZ has been this Proleague. He is the only one who is #1 in two of the three match ups to not appear on the third's top 5
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
May 15 2009 03:42 GMT
#7
The Top 3 are ridiculous.

The matchup lists are somewhat biased by luck.

I,e Flash has definitely had the best TvZ over the course of all 4 rounds but he simply has not been matched up against Zergs very often. Free is #1 PvT despite having by far the worst PvT on that list. Yarnc's ZvP is worse than every single person below him (somewhat debatable with calm/hyvaa who are unproven whereas Yarnc is just proven to be bad) but he's played a lot of crappy P's, etc.

In certain matchups it does show some things though. Flash, Hiya, and Fantasy are so far above everyone else in TvP and the latter simply didn't do well in proleague for awhile.
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
May 15 2009 03:48 GMT
#8
On May 15 2009 12:27 wswordsmen wrote:
Amazing how bad Flash's TvZ has been this Proleague. He is the only one who is #1 in two of the three match ups to not appear on the third's top 5


Yeah, his terrible, terrible 0-2 record really raises a few eyebrows,
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-15 04:50:26
May 15 2009 04:41 GMT
#9
Just for comparison, here are your top fives by Proleague winning percentage.

UNOFFICIAL Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 Ranking of Players by Winning Percentage


Overall
(minimum 25 games*)
All
1. (P)Bisu (81%)
2. (T)Flash (75%)
3. (Z)Jaedong (71%)
4. (Z)July (68%)
5. (T)Leta (68%)
Protoss
1. (P)Bisu (81%)
2. (P)BeSt (63%)
3. (P)JangBi (63%)
4. (P)free[gm] (62%)
5. (P)Kal (58%)
Terran
1. (T)Flash (75%)
2. (T)Leta (68%)
3. (T)Iris (67%)
4. (T)HiyA (66%)
5. (T)Light (63%)
Zerg
1. (Z)Jaedong (71%)
2. (Z)July (68%)
3. (Z)by.great (65%)
4. (Z)Calm (65%)
5. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] (61%)

Race Matchups
(minimum 8 games*)
PvP
1. (P)Bisu (79%)
2. (P)JangBi (68%)
3. (P)Much (63%)
4. (P)BeSt (62%)
5. (P)Anytime (60%)
PvT
1. (P)Bisu (82%)
2. (P)BeSt (73%)
3. (P)Stork (71%)
4. (P)JangBi (68%)
5. (P)free[gm] (65%)
PvZ
1. (P)Bisu (82%)
2. (P)Kal (69%)
3. (P)free[gm] (63%)
4. (P)JangBi (58%)
5. (P)BeSt (53%)

TvP
1. (T)Flash (80%)
2. (T)HiyA (79%)
3. (T)fantasy (73%)
4. (T)Iris (68%)
5. (T)Sea (64%)
TvT
1. (T)Flash (80%)
2. (T)Leta (78%)
3. (T)UpMaGiC (75%)
4. (T)Light (65%)
5. (T)sKyHigh (63%)
TvZ
1. (T)Leta (77%)
2. (T)Iris (73%)
3. (T)Light (69%)
4. (T)Mind (67%)
5. (T)UpMaGiC (58%)

ZvP
1. (Z)July (100%)
2. (Z)Calm (80%)
3. (Z)Nal_keke (75%)
4. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] (64%)
5. (Z)by.great (64%)
ZvT
1. (Z)YellOw[ArnC] (71%)
2. (Z)Calm (71%)
3. (Z)RorO (70%)
4. (Z)Jaedong (70%)
5. (Z)sAviOr (67%)
ZvZ
1. (Z)Jaedong (82%)
2. (Z)hyvaa (67%)
2. (Z)EffOrt (67%)
4. (Z)by.great (65%)
5. (Z)sAviOr (63%)


* I realize these cut-offs are somewhat arbitrary, but a) they seem to reflect reality best and b) there is some thought behind them. 25 games represents just over 6 games a round (so far), making it a good barometer for "does this guy really matter to the team?". 8 wins represents 1/3 of 6 games a round.
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 15 2009 04:44 GMT
#10
On May 15 2009 13:41 Musoeun wrote:
ZvP
1. (Z)July (100%)



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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
May 15 2009 04:49 GMT
#11
Geez, Bisu has a crazy winning percentage, topping all categories he's in, and only one matchup below 80%, and its a 79%
Writerptrk
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
May 15 2009 04:52 GMT
#12
On May 15 2009 12:42 Ver wrote:
The Top 3 are ridiculous.

The matchup lists are somewhat biased by luck.

I,e Flash has definitely had the best TvZ over the course of all 4 rounds but he simply has not been matched up against Zergs very often. Free is #1 PvT despite having by far the worst PvT on that list. Yarnc's ZvP is worse than every single person below him (somewhat debatable with calm/hyvaa who are unproven whereas Yarnc is just proven to be bad) but he's played a lot of crappy P's, etc.

In certain matchups it does show some things though. Flash, Hiya, and Fantasy are so far above everyone else in TvP and the latter simply didn't do well in proleague for awhile.


Absolutely. I think that Flash was put out on maps like Medusa and other T-weighted maps that put him in a lot of TvPs and TvTs, but not so many TvZs.

Bisu is not going to be put on maps that incur PvTs (although it perhaps be a weak matchup of his) because they have several viable options to beat T players, like Best, Fantasy, pretty much everyone's good against T on SKT1.

Probably more telling is the percentages, but those are equally biased because of how people haven't played very many leagues.

But 42 wins is more wins that I've gotten on Iccup since I came back, haha.

Thnaks for translation Smix.
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fnaticNoname
Profile Joined January 2008
India858 Posts
May 15 2009 05:17 GMT
#13
Great to see HiyA (woot Oz pride) ranked up 3rd there, his recent showing and in the round before have really helped him. Also nice to see ZerO & free up there.

Thanks for the translations Mr. Smix!

Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
May 15 2009 05:20 GMT
#14
I know you guys are saying that flash has great TvZ and the reason that he isn't in the top 5 for wins is just that he hasn't played that many TvZs, but look at his win rate compared to the other Ts...
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
May 15 2009 05:55 GMT
#15
On May 15 2009 14:20 Trezeguet23 wrote:
I know you guys are saying that flash has great TvZ and the reason that he isn't in the top 5 for wins is just that he hasn't played that many TvZs, but look at his win rate compared to the other Ts...


Look at his opponents. The only weak zerg player that Flash has even faced in this entire PL season is Hyuk, who he beat. One third of his TvZs in this proleague season have been against Jaedong.
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Nanoo
Profile Joined March 2009
229 Posts
May 15 2009 06:14 GMT
#16
On May 15 2009 14:17 fnaticNoname wrote:
Great to see HiyA (woot Oz pride) ranked up 3rd there, his recent showing and in the round before have really helped him. Also nice to see ZerO & free up there.

Thanks for the translations Mr. Smix!



she's a girl iirc...

same as u, nice to see hiya there...^^
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Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
May 15 2009 06:38 GMT
#17
81%...is a lot.
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 15 2009 12:54 GMT
#18
On May 15 2009 14:55 Rostam wrote:
Look at his opponents. The only weak zerg player that Flash has even faced in this entire PL season is Hyuk, who he beat. One third of his TvZs in this proleague season have been against Jaedong.


It's not like Flash's TvZ is in any way, shape, or form bad. But this is intriguing, because if we pare down the record a little bit:

vs. Jaedong: 1-2 (1-3 counting the WL Playoffs).
vs. all other Zergs: 5-3.

Compared to his ranking in the other matchups, this is a huge dropoff, even if it is due to the "luck" of not playing many TvZs.

To make a point about why this doesn't really matter: You can make the same point for Jaedong's ZvP... now, is Jaedong's ZvP a weak matchup? Nooo. Whatever the stats say, Jaedong is still favored against any Protoss except Bisu (maybe) in a best-of, and against anyone except Bisu, free, and Kal (let's say) in a single game, and there are how many better ZvPers? July, maybe.

Similarly, Flash may have odd-looking results, but he's still favored against any Zerg except Jaedong in a best-of, and while the list of Zergs who could maybe be favored to take him in a single game is a little longer than Jaedong's list of Protosses, there really aren't many better TvZers - maybe Leta and UpMagic?
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Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
May 15 2009 12:55 GMT
#19
Bisu <3
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 15 2009 13:01 GMT
#20
thank u smix [누나] (perhaps?)
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