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On May 18 2009 12:01 Ver wrote:
What do you think of MBH? He's smart enough to know that a simple vote and run is going to get him looked at. So what's his story?
no story. i'm more familiar with aces playing style than any of the other candidates . so, not only is he a logical player who doesnt get sidetracked easily, but if he were to act out of character, it would stand out like a sore thumb to me.
being elected means he'd have to behave a certain way thats consistent with him being an innocent mayor.
if he's innocent, this is good.
if he's not, i would pick up on it fairly quickly.
this is just me maximizing my strengths. as you are probably well aware, behavioral analysis works best against people who you've played against before. more data = more accurate results.
speaking of which, nemy's actions have kicked off a flurry of discussion that was great for collecting data. he's not the only player who revealed his role.
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On May 18 2009 15:26 L wrote:According to ace himself he has no consistent playing style. If he does, then you must recognize that a significant portion of his statements about his own actions are flat out lies. Contradiction. You staying silent until post vote is not maximizing the town's strengths either. Show nested quote +nemy's actions have kicked off a flurry of discussion that was great for collecting data. he's not the only player who revealed his role. This is very true.
lol. everybody has patterns in their playing style... quirks in how they react to a situation that they cant easily hide.
the good players have small quirks. but they're still there.
but its certainly playing to my strength to sit back and collect data to use in my analysis. its what i do, and i do it well... its how i figured you out.
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On May 19 2009 23:58 Bockit wrote:2)The traitor Show nested quote +Ver on what he thought lucaswoj's role was (post death)
I never talk with MM and lucas thought I was the traitor Really? Did you? Cos I could swear you thought nemy was the traitor. Funny thing about traitors in this game. There's only one. Did you change your mind? Why didn't you lynch nemy then? If you thought lucas was the traitor, then nemy must have been mafia (in your mind, as an innocent), because you along with most of us here think that nemy isn't a dt.
to be fair, the quote says that LUCAS thought VER was the traitor-- not the other way around.
other points stick tho-- ver, the man with the plan, has yet to really implement something the town can rally behind.
this alone doesnt mean he's dirty, but it does add to the cumulative evidence against his innocence.
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On May 22 2009 13:54 L wrote:
Also, MBH has been talking to me behind the scenes. He guessed my role correctly. His suspicion list is nearly Identical, in part, to my own. The key for the following night is going to be getting that detective information blended in with the clue analysis and behavioral analysis to confirm some solid theories people have about mafia.
If I die, I sincerely hope you guys can keep it fucking civil and stick to the evidence in front of you.
L was correct. He informed me that he also sent several PMs out to people earlier tonight echoing his thoughts.
I approached L earlier thursday and informed him of my primary list of mafia. THEY CAN NO LONGER HIDE.
Put succinctly, caller has been operating an "inner circle" full of a mixture of mafia and townies. This much should be obvious. This inner circle was responsible for a lot of the confusion and random bumbling that has plagued the town since day 1. Even Ver felt helpless in the face of this-- but two things happened that shall be our saving grace:
1- the confusion and fingerpointing amongst the town leaders has stopped (unfortunately, at a cost to the town)
2- caller has been vigi'd and outted as mafia
This is the best opportunity for me to present my evidence-- i have 2 full days of clues and posting histories and highly accurate behavior analysis skills-- this game is about to be a wrap.
For people who haven't played with me before or arent familiar with my playing style, I typically fly low collecting data and out mafia en masse. So for those who are concerned about my "inactivity", I ask that you overlook it-- i assure you i've been following every single word of this thread since day 1 and have been very active in PMs as well.
The things i will reveal will make me a target and there are no medics left, so busting the mafia might very well make this my last day alive. Fortunately, I am ALSO confident that I know the identity of the other DT as well as the last veteran. It is around these two people that I will build a new center of trust for the town.
Hopefully L's final post, and the PMs he sent to some of you will give you the confidence to put your trust in me. I'm seriously about to rock the boat back into the town's favor.
Please keep an eye out for my next day post that includes today's clues as i WILL be kicking ass and naming names.
DTs and vet-- be expecting a PM from yours truly. (DTs, i will especially need your assistance.)
that is all.
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In the interest of keeping the town on track for once, I will be outting mafia in small numbers instead of one big post calling out names-- in past games, that has just caused the town to start pointing fingers yet again and the votes end up split all over the place. So I will list my newest top suspect (caller was my last top suspect. he didnt last. nobody can withstand the babyhands.
But to quickly address tricode's inquiries:
+ Show Spoiler +L protected me last night. I decided to contact L several hours after the ace and ver debacle when there were talks of vigi'ing me. After figuring out his role I PMed L my top suspects in case i died. I also asked for medic protection because i was certain dreamflower would target me and all my analysis would be lost before it was complete (i dont post my accusations until i'm positive AND have proof to back it up.)
L agreed with my suspects list. Shortly before the night was over, apparently he got in contact with dreamflower (even asked for her in the thread). I guess he managed to convince her to hit caller instead. And now here we are. No L, no df-- just me with my info and a bullseye on the reds.
I never actually asked L to post in the thread tho-- that was all him.
Here we go
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When compiling evidence, i find it useful to concentrate on 3 areas: Suspicious behavior, suspicious voting, and suspicious clues.
Caller had all 3. and now someone else does-- 0cz3c.
Suspicious behavior:
+ Show Spoiler +First, theres this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=77#1528By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia.
Caller
RebirthofLegend
nemY
I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling. Its not the fact that he actually listed a mafia in there (caller), but that he makes no attempt to even justify it. "senses are tingling"-- even i dont do that. Senses mean nothing without proof, and this just makes no sense. To add, if you read the post right above that, 0cz3c is lashing out at malongo for suggesting that they discuss who to vigi, including a list of names, one of which was 0cz3c. A wise old man once told me "A hit dog will holler." Earlier in the game, he sad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=45#891Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. come on y'all... look at that shit. In retrospect its pretty blatant isnt it? moving right along.
Next, suspicous voting:
+ Show Spoiler +
Mayor vote: voted for ver, switched to ace, then finally ended up on Mynock
wishy washy voting among 2 innocents, then landing on a third party. This does NOT imply that Mynock is red tho. Instead, it implies that 0cz3c is trying to swing things to the mafia's favor. It was clearly the mafias GOAL to get 2 greens elected-- look at the votes. They knew a good portion of time would be spent figuring out if the leaders are red-- made even more likely with efficient blue sniping the night before-- specifically the fishball and Lucas kills. Which is EXACTLY what happened.
Day 2 lynch vote: switched from ace to ver. again, switching between these two. a mafia would've known they were both green. a mafia wouldnt particularly care much who got lynched. that was the plan all along, wasnt it 0cz3c? a mafia would vote for one, or the other. with a possible slight preference for ver due to the controversy it would cause.
and finally, suspicious clues:
+ Show Spoiler +I admit, this was a bit more difficult to find-- Quatol has an interesting clue style, unlike any i've seen before. 0cz = OCZ OCZ is a company that manufactures RAM (in fact, i have a pair of OCZ DDR3's in my comp right now). The company even makes a type of RAM called tripple channel. (3c) http://www.ocztechnology.com/The day's clue mentioned "bowling" into someone. The 3rd day, its "ramming". Ram is actually mentioned twice in the clue: He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. He proceeded to t rample consistent with the clues becomming a bit more obvious over time. kaboom.
Bonus evidence:
+ Show Spoiler +Lucas got blue sniped shortly after getting BG. 0cz3c and Lucas are brothers-- of course he's gonna be able to tell faster than anyone else if his bro has an important role.
The facts are in your faces. Lets wrap this shyt up. Each of these pieces of evidence considerd individually would'nt paint the picture we require to prove guilt. But when you consider them all together-- shady behavior, matching clues, "random" blue BG snipe on day 1... smh.
so to sum up: we get rid of 0cz3c, and we keep it truckin.
MBH: *raspy voice* i am The Babyhands. i eat mafia for breakfast. extra milk.
Mafia: omg wtf its the gotdamn Babyhands! run for your lives!
MBH: Yes, thats right, my little cockroaches. Run... run faaar faaaaar away. But no matter how far you get, i will be behind you... breathing on your heels. You feel it, dont you? You feel my breath on your ankles... thats how close i am. I'm commin for that azz.
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On May 23 2009 06:50 0cz3c wrote:
some stuff
i'm not gonna argue with you, little man. type as much as you wish.
my track record speaks for itself.
i havent been wrong about a mafia in the 3 games i've played on here.
never.
not even once.
in fact, i dont recall an instance where i whiffed an analysis of ANYbody in the public thread. when i show my cards, they're right. period.
i'm just that good.
can you do that? are you as good as me? i'm serious-- these aren't rhetorical questions.
look, man. face it, you just got babyhanded. you've been inducted into the babyhand club.
members get a free t-shirt.
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On May 24 2009 15:34 Incognito wrote:
And I'm still confused maybe MBH can clarify? What did you exactly think I was? Since you did say you thought I was DT then disappeared. Were you ever sure of this?
i wasnt sure until you started PMing me back. for people i'm not sure about, i tend to claim that i'm 100% convinced of their role and then read their reactions from there.
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On May 24 2009 14:20 Tricode wrote:
@Town GJ! We got one but we also missed one!
Mrbabyhands can even make mistakes also it seems. (sorry i had to put it out there)
Oh wait, my two favorite suspects also voted for me and Ocz3c.
Oh wait, didn't Cobbler also try to ignore Vivi when it came to a clue that seemed like it could really connect to...Vivi? He also gave a shitty analysis with Freddy Kruger. Hahahaha.
GJ MTF, i think you were the one who spotted the clue on Vivi.
yup. i dropped the ball (blame it on the hands. they're baby-sized.). i'm not gonna make excuses-- but for what it's worth yesterday was the absolute worst day for mafia for me. too much stuff goin on IRL-- memorial day, parties, chicks...
i came in for like a split second last night when i found an internet kisok and saw "you need to vote!" messages from showtime. didnt even have time to read through everything and i didnt want to vote for the wrong person.
but yea. no excuses-- i fucked it up.
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On May 25 2009 00:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:
MBH = MVP? Fuck no he doesn't deserve it after throwing Caller to the wolves to save himself for what? To miss the vote to win the game?! Fuck that Showtime! you're the MVP of this game. Nothing would have been orchestrated quite so without your assistance. It was a lot of fun playing with you guys though =]
i couldnt agree with you more. showtime had it on lock-- especially yesterday. looking through the thread, and knowing what he was planning behind the scenes, he really got the town to the tipping point.
the caller thing was so random tho-- i really didnt expect the vig hit to be swapped at the very last minute. i probably could have suggested someone else-- but i didnt want to take the chance that L would call my bluff and not protect me. the idea was for no reds to die.
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On May 24 2009 14:22 Caller wrote:
OH RIGHT
MBH YOU SOLD ME OUT YOU SON OF A BITCH
for 30 pieces of silver, no less
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