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On May 16 2009 10:10 Camlito wrote: When does it start for an Aussie? It'll be 13:30 KST (TL Time). Just about three hours from right now, whenever that is there. | ||
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On May 16 2009 11:58 LucasWoJ wrote: Indeed, sultry coin-socks smirk with tree-like booked index belt. Cow petulantly rolls floor bread YES! Mafia. Don't worry guys, I have the clues to back it up. | ||
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On May 16 2009 12:05 dreamflower wrote: Yeah, that trouble-making Mountain Time resident. Hmph. By the way, I made another list of compiled profile information here (work was incredibly slow today, so I thought, "Why not?"). Please let me know if it's considered to be cluttering up the Mafia forum. I figured it was better to make a thread rather than a blog entry, as the thread doesn't need to be bumped constantly for people to find it. I don't know you, but I love you. <3 | ||
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I think I'd prefer either Ace or Showtime in the mayoral spot. Ace has proven his ability to lead in the past, as well as provided TL Mafia with it's first real glimpse at good town structuring. Showtime on the other hand has not really ever been in a leadership position but, as far as I can tell, has been a constant commodity to it's various faces throughout TL Mafia. I'd like to see how he'd approach the game from a leadership perspective. Mynock and BloodyC0bbler are known to have intelligent views in general and are active contributors in the game, but I think a leadership role needs to be more than protection for those who can pin Mafia down. So, if I were the collective town consciousness I would be aiming for Ace as Mayor and Ver as Pardoner. As is, I'm voting for Showtime, simply because I'm curious and think he might do well if given the chance. | ||
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On May 17 2009 06:28 Ver wrote: Hey MTF don't try to steal another election from me. Aw, don't worry. My intentions are purely innocent this time. Promise. On May 17 2009 06:28 Ver wrote: Innocents list: Caller 95% BC 85% What leads you to believe so? It can't simply be that they both showed intention of running for mayor before the game started, because their values are different. I'm only curious because I'm terrible at behavior analysis, haven't been in the loop for awhile, and can't see at all where you're drawing the numbers from. | ||
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1: You're really a detective and have put yourself in a position where you either get elected or everybody (including Mafia) knows your role. 2: You are posing as a detective as a Mafia member in a bid to get votes. Least likely, because you know nobody is going to vote for you. 3: You're trolling or baiting the Mafia. This one would seem the most likely as a game plan when everybody playing has some experience, but in the end you are hurting town's ability to build a structure. In any case, your explanation for your motives are rather shady. Some people PMing you with the thought that you might be blue does not logically lead to "o damn, the jig is up, gotta tell everyone now for certain". What you have done makes no good sense. | ||
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On May 17 2009 09:19 Incognito wrote: He could also be a townie trying to take a hit from mafia if he knew that nobody would vote for him. Right, but why even play the game, then? Sure, it's giving up with a purpose, but it's still giving up. | ||
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On May 17 2009 09:28 L wrote: Green townie taking a hit is a net bonus to town because we save blues. You can't go into the game expecting a worst-case scenario in which Mafia finds every blue and the only way to save them is for every normal townie to pretend they themselves are. Like I said, it's giving up with a purpose, but it's still giving up. And with no logical purpose behind it at this point in the game. | ||
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While I still think what he did was dumb and panicked, I don't think he is Mafia. Furthermore, based on some suspicions and activity of others, I believe Mafia might be worried about this turn of events. So, despite my curiosity of Showtime!'s abilities, I feel like this is a gamble where the payoff is worth it. I understand that Mafia 2 (which L keeps citing) does not prove that we should put Nemy into office. We can't learn from mistakes whose only common foundation is the lack of blind trust that an individual is telling the truth. I also understand that what Nemy has done is both forceful and either incredibly dumb or risky. There is no fault in putting no faith into what he says, but look at the (assumed) facts: - Nemy did act like he might be blue, especially in his frustrated "c'mon guys, trust me" post. - Nemy was PMed by Incognito (who confirmed) about it, though it was not several people as he had claimed. Now, looking at these two bits of information we have to assume one of three things; 1. Nemy is a DT and just panicked. 2. Nemy set himself up to look blue to others and, upon being called out on it, went into a false panic. 3. Nemy and Incognito are both in on it and set it all up. Which of these answers seems the most likely to you? | ||
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On May 18 2009 00:34 Bockit wrote: And yet you swap from showtime to nemy? What the fuck? Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office. The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:30 Ace wrote: tsk tsk tsk MTF I know you know better than this. Shame on you. I know only two things in relation to this: 1. I logically should let the more experienced players views guide me into voting for Mynock/you. 2. I'm not going to learn anything by letting the more experienced players views guide me. If it's a mistake, it'll at least be a learning experience and I can look specifically at everything I did wrong. If my central mistake was not listening to everybody telling me I'm wrong, then that'll be what I learn. This game is more about the fun of being back in Mafia for me rather than setting up the game as secure and perfect as possible. I'll admit that openly. If my behavior is a bit less helpful than usual you know why. | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:41 Tricode wrote: It's not really about guiding, it's more about who makes the best persuasion and logical point. Right now, ask yourself, what true benefit would we gain by having nemy in the office vs someone that is as good as Ace, Mynock, Ver, and ext. I highly suggest reading the posts and just thinking to yourself which seems to be the better choice. I stand by this, I completely agree with most of what Ace and Mynock is saying. I think what their reasoning is not to have Nemy in office out weighs the reasoning to have Nemy in office. I have read every post in the thread thus far and still stand by my decision. If Nemy is really a DT, then getting him permanent protection is worth it to me. As I don't feel he lied (and freely admit I could be wrong about that) I will vote for him, but only as a puppet to whoever has the other role. I don't think that Nemy would lead as well as anybody else running and so would not look to him to be the public voice. But I do feel that saving him is a benefit worth the risk. | ||
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On May 18 2009 04:01 Tricode wrote: Well what you are doing for nemy would be basically the same idea for the more skilled players. So for instance, who would you rather have in office Ver or nemy. This would mean 1 would most likely die if not in office. So do you feel if Nemy was in office, that our chances of winning would be greater? IMO i think it would hurt us. Cause even if we can use Nemy for his DT abilities (If he is not lying) that is a skill once a night. Where Ver, Mynock, Ace, Cob's and ext. skills (if not even blue) are working at all time. Those skills to me are more valuable right there! An analyzer would be a lot more valuable cause they are working around the clock giving us this information. Nemy's part as a DT would only come in after these guys probably made a very good persuasive argument. Just as a note I'm not saying trust these guys full heartily I am just using them as examples/place holders, you can switch them with anyone who you think is trust worthy and a skillful analyzer. I agree completely that these people have skills worth saving, but no matter how you look at it, only two players are getting into office. Having one in (I'd say Mynock is looking like the best bet right now) is sufficient to me. I have little doubt that one or more of the major league runners here will get medic protection if they fall out of the race. I cannot say the same for Nemy and I believe having an outed DT in such a secure position is better than choosing just one more of the many qualified people to take the position instead. | ||
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On May 18 2009 08:53 Ver wrote: Update time! Mafia list: Ace 95% Mynock 93% mrbabyhands 92% MTF 80% L 78% Infinity21 70% Traitor: Nemy 90% Innocents list: Caller 97% BC 93% Malongo 85% Tricode 84% Lucaswoj 83% Incognito 80% Fusionsdf 77% The only person I agree with on that entire list is MrBabyHands. I'm very uncertain as to why you have L and I both so high up there when it contradicts what you said about Nemy. This indicates that you assume we've been charged with a role of confusing the town whilst simultaneously being among those that are "almost assuredly town". Your methods confuse me and knowing where at least my cards lie, I know they are flawed. | ||
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I don't know what you're basing your own suspicion on and lynching on Day 1 clues is pretty much universally agreed upon as a bad idea, but it's all I know so: Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him. “You no longer control this town. It is ours now.” Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others. All of the above indicates that the attacker is possibly small. He is not seen by Qatol when he turns around to find who was talking, the attacker leaps to strike Qatol's chest, and may have needed whoever attacked LTT's help in pushing the body into the water. | ||
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I have a general suspect for each of our three killers today. Mafia A: + Show Spoiler + unnoticed until one of them screamed and charged at LucasWoJ. mikeymoo fled from the scuffle as the attacker pulled out a syringe and slammed it into LucasWoJ's right eye. mikeymoo was gone by the time LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse. His unrecognizable face and shattered teeth would be no help to the authorities, but his fingerprints were sufficient. Suspect: Infundibulum Reasoning: To begin with, the attackers weapon of choice is a syringe which is funnel-shaped, as is an infundibulum. Furthermore, Lucas is stabbed in the eye, of which one section is made up of a bone that contains an infundibulum. Lucas' face then is smashed into a concave shape, which could relate to the giant tuba in Infundibulum's profile. Finally, sounds are a prominent feature in Lucas' death, especially towards the end. While it is not explicitly called music to the killer's ears, it could tie in to Infundibulum's quote: "All the sounds of the Earth are like music". Potential Flaws: If the extreme brutal nature of the Mafia character is a clue, then Infundibulum doesn't fit. Following this, I considered the syringe containing steroids (hyper-aggressive, animalistic being? why not?) but found nobody that fit that, either. Mafia B: + Show Spoiler + Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat. Suspect A: Dreamflower Reasoning: Our killer has a very small attention span or a very limited capability to pay attention to their surroundings, as indicated by their initially being distracted by the first killing as well as passing by Mikeymoo several times before noticing him. A person who is dreaming/daydreaming/sleepwalking (take your pick) would exhibit such a lack of conscious mental processes. Also, the way Mikeymoo ultimately dies may point to Dreamflower's profile quote: "When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers." Mikeymoo's problem of his sore throat is solved by his being killed. Potential Flaws: All of the attack excepting the end are not explained in any way. Additionally, there are signs that this Mafia, rather than being easily distracted/unthinking, may be blind/have bad vision. Note that sounds were a focus of the first Mafia's killing, and that the second Mafia member only found Mikeymoo after he sneezed. Mafia C: + Show Spoiler + In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die. Potential Suspect: Ver Reasoning: Ver's quote, "[w]hen you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape" speaks of two things that relate to the bolded portion: confidence and rape. Fishball lacked the former, and upon calling him out on that, the killer summons the infamous rape rake to finish the job. All throughout, the killer is essentially dominating Fishball. Also, both of our bodyguards died, and while I feel that this could be coincidence or another party could be guilty, I find it more likely that people would have leaked roles to Ver than to anybody else at this point in the game. And certainly more likely him than any other single, central person. Potential Flaws: If the "calmly" part of the pursuit is a clue, then this does not tie in with Ver. Likewise, if the uselessness of Fishball's left arm is a clue, this also does not tie in with Ver, unless in a convoluted way to the Napoleon quote. These are by no means absolute accusations, as all of you should well know. More of a foothold for future ideas and to generate discussion about the clues amongst all of this bickering. | ||
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On May 19 2009 15:07 L wrote: If i can make a suggestion: When googling names, be sure to use google.com instead of google.yourcountry. I'll bite. brb, ~minutes. | ||
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On May 19 2009 15:22 L wrote: flower pollen makes people sneeze. Yes, that was another thing. Thank you. | ||
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!11 oh well looks like its starting at 12:30 for me. Odd use of mountain time btw.
