• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:08
CEST 20:08
KST 03:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3
Community News
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)10BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) feardragon: Blizzards biggest blunder with SC was… TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation How herO can make history in the Code S S2 finals
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group A [GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Ro8 - Group B SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 3
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27685 users

Mafia VIII [GG]

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 16 2009 17:24 GMT
#133
Hey Guys,

I'm running for mayor. I have nothing to offer. Absolutely nothing. In fact, I suspect I'll make a terrible mayor. Therefore, I ask that everyone vote for me. Please do.

I feel that now would be the most opportune moment to say something everyone ignores: L is mafia. I'll be voting to lynch him every day from now.

Lastly, I suspect that Ver is not, but, of course, it is far too premature to matter. If he is not, then it seems to me that that propitiates the town's ability to win. So yeah, I'm tentatively thinking about perhaps voting for Ver.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 01:18 GMT
#230
I would like to note that my candidacy is not one based on a power play. I am but a mere townie.

If anyone else would like to claim a role in order to enhance his OR HER chance to win election, then by all mean, please feel free to do so. I, however, do not wish to tarnish my good name. So I won't lie. And isn't that doubtlessly the most important quality a town could hope for from a leader (that is to say, a mayor or pardoner)? Again, I remind everyone that I am running for mayor. I will not offer a thing; however, I encourage all to vote for me. Together, we can somehow elect me! !
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 01:21 GMT
#233
HeavONearth is mafia, by the way. I'll explain after I'm killed during the night !
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 01:22 GMT
#234
L, I'm just choosing to ignore it; I thought it was extremely stupid.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 15:38 GMT
#346
The only problem with RoL's post is that it's a typical RoL mafia post.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 19:21 GMT
#400
OR....


We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 19:50 GMT
#413
On May 18 2009 04:45 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2009 04:21 0cz3c wrote:
OR....


We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o



This gives me a brilliant idea that's not actually brilliant! Let's vote in whoever has been the most inactive right now! No way any mafia member would be inactive for this long. It's foolproof!

Especially if the guy really is inactive for whatever reason. Then he'd get back to the game and be like: "What the hell???"

But then again if he really is inactive then he could actually be mafia too...



While your idea may not be brilliant, mine, without a doubt, certainly is.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 22:54 GMT
#458
On May 18 2009 07:49 Incognito wrote:
Why is nobody responding to my post? Either it is correct or it is flawed, I don't think you can have no opinion about it...



Because you didn't consider me as a serious candidate for pardoner. Who wouldn't ignore you?



Owned Bockit.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 17 2009 22:58 GMT
#461
I'd like to remind everyone that I am indeed running for mayor. I am willing to accept the position of pardoner as well.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 00:00 GMT
#488
I couldn't help but notice that I'm not on that list. Does that mean that I create my own special category? Or do you not take 100% into account?
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 00:09 GMT
#491
I see what you did there.

I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that I have already announced my candidacy for mayor. Not really sure what's holding the votes back.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 01:29 GMT
#516
I already did the job for him on you HeavOnEarth. You're confirmed mafia.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 01:59 GMT
#519
On May 18 2009 10:53 Caller wrote:
what the hell is going on here...?

where did those percentages come from? and what's with the massive flame war here? Can't we all just get along...? And could we also get a vote tally?



I'm seeing a lot of questions; I'm not seeing any answers.

I can provide this town with answers...provided I get elected into office, of course.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 02:39 GMT
#537
But what if he's blue?
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 02:47 GMT
#544
Hey nemY, if you really wanted to prove that you're a DT, you'd place your vote on me. Let's hope that starts the bandwagon I'm expecting.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 20:20 GMT
#663
On May 18 2009 11:32 Ace wrote:
here we go again. Mafia managed to make people take votes off of me, and no one read Ver's post.

Gotta love this town.


I can't read.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
May 18 2009 20:38 GMT
#664
On May 19 2009 01:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything.

and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie.

The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia.

Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with.

To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own.

So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though.



Not true, and you know it. In my perspective, there's a 25% chance that Nemy is mafia. Mathematically, that is wholly true. In your perspective, he probably has closer to a 21% chance of being mafia, Certainly not 1%. He also has a 45% chance to be a green townie. That's not 1%. Nice try. Also has a 10% chance to be a DT or traitor.

I'd like to know from where you're pulling these imaginary and false figures?
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 21:20:41
May 18 2009 21:02 GMT
#667
On May 19 2009 05:54 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'd like to know from where you're pulling these imaginary and false figures?


From the fact that the play was ultra ballsy, the fact that history shows that a real DT has figured its worth trying, and the fact that mafia setting up one of their members to get killed/vig hit on day 1-2 is incredibly poor play.

The risk is huge, the reward is not: Compare to someone who is a 'good player' like Ace/Ver being mafia and running (and there's obviously going to be one on the mafia side) why would you go about this route?

After this game, when the precedent is set that the gambit is a potential success for someone who tries it, it would be far less likely, but compared the potential nemy is mafia to ace or ver. Ace and Ver have huge playing tells and action tells which are pointing towards them being mafia. They might not be, but they're more likely to be than joe 6pack average player given the way they played day 1.

The likeliness nemy is mafia depends on the risk/reward ratio of making the claim. In the current instance, the risk of being caught is very high and the penalty is severe: 1/6th of the mafia die. Compare that to the reward: Ace is on record saying pardoner is far less powerful than i proposed it to be, so lets do this calculation in his head: Minimal reward: Town wouldn't start listening to him or funneling him information. Town would still be looking at him.

Which makes me wonder why Ace could possibly believe nemy is lynch material.


You're mentioning qualitative not quantitative observations. Still, my question remains unanswered.

By the way, the word "feast" appears several times in the first post. This, to me, suggests extravagance (it had been the mafia's fourth feast). Both seem to suggest mafia feasting. In the first case, it's Chuiu and Pyrr, and in the second, LTT wrote, "The sharks feasted." (And, by the way, the writing is unquestionably LTT's. You're welcome.) Sharks, ravenous, murderous creatures, can serve as a metaphor for the mafia. Indeed, the fact that the water was shark-infested seems to confirm this (it goes well with the mafia's claim: "“You no longer control this town. It is ours now.”") After that moment, the mafia control the living bodies aboard the ship; the sharks, the dead thrown into the sea.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 21:32:20
May 18 2009 21:28 GMT
#675
On May 19 2009 06:24 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
You're mentioning qualitative not quantitative observations. Still, my question remains unanswered.
You're intentionally wasting my time. There is no quantitative data in the game which is assured until people confirm themselves or die. beyond 22/29 chances for being a townie 7/29 for being mafia aligned there are no numbers you can use to directly determine the percentage "mafia" you are. You know this. I know this. "the I'm 99% certain he's a mafia" line, or variations thereof is simply meant to express that one person strongly believes in the statement.

But why are you even talking about his use of a fairly transperant literary device? Please tell me.



To know, check my numbers. They are revealing, are they not?

Edit: And I wasn't trying to waste your own time. You were not the target. But yes, that's what's happening right now.
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-18 23:18:50
May 18 2009 21:57 GMT
#679
I thought I'd try my hand at this, by the way. Empirically based, by the way.

Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 5 percentage points for total accuracy)
1. Caller - 36%
2. Incognito - 34%
3. scamp - 14%
4. scaramanga - 0%
5. bloodyc0bbler - 31%
6. fishball - 19%
7. nemy - 78%
8. fusionsdf - 67%
9. Ver - 59%
10. bockit - 0%
11. plexa - 70%
12. camlito - 82%
13. showtime! - 20%
14. mikeymoo - 45%
15. dreamflower - 47%
16. ace - 9%
17. infundibulum - 43%
18. vivi57 - 38%
19. mynock - 28%
20. lucaswoj - 35%
21. amber[light] - 39%
22. rebirthoflegend - 0%
23. MTF - 0%
24. 0cz3c - 0%
25. infinity21 - 87%
26. heavonearth - 95%
27. Tricode - 0%
28. Malongo - 0%
29. MrBabyHands - 69%
30. L - 63%
31??? LTT 1%

Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...2 percentage points)
1. Caller - 64%
2. Incognito - 66%
3. scamp - 86%
4. scaramanga - 100%
5. bloodyc0bbler - 69%
6. fishball - 50%
7. nemy - 36%
8. fusionsdf - 70%
9. Ver - 89%
10. bockit - 100%
11. plexa - 17%
12. camlito - 43%
13. showtime! - 19%
14. mikeymoo - 61%
15. dreamflower - 54%
16. ace - 91%
17. infundibulum - 85%
18. vivi57 - 42%
19. mynock - 28%
20. lucaswoj - 68%
21. amber[light] - 59%
22. rebirthoflegend - 100%
23. MTF - 100%
24. 0cz3c - 100%
25. infinity21 - ~30%
26. heavonearth - 23%
27. Tricode - 100%
28. Malongo - 100%
29. MrBabyHands - 25%
30. L - 34%
31???! LTT - 99%
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 52m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EnDerr 96
BRAT_OK 76
NoRegreT_ 47
MindelVK 34
UpATreeSC 28
IndyStarCraft 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25395
Calm 3782
firebathero 332
Hyuk 172
Dewaltoss 62
sSak 42
sas.Sziky 35
scan(afreeca) 29
IntoTheRainbow 5
Dota 2
Gorgc6132
qojqva2051
Counter-Strike
fl0m5753
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0622
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu376
Other Games
tarik_tv51452
gofns44995
Grubby1849
FrodaN1536
Beastyqt371
crisheroes330
B2W.Neo320
Lowko217
ArmadaUGS122
XaKoH 80
Trikslyr67
FunKaTv 23
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9302
Other Games
BasetradeTV17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 42
• Adnapsc2 34
• HeavenSC 21
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 15
• Michael_bg 9
• blackmanpl 8
• FirePhoenix2
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2649
League of Legends
• Nemesis11650
• TFBlade1082
Other Games
• imaqtpie721
• Shiphtur309
Upcoming Events
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
52m
Korean StarCraft League
8h 52m
SOOP
14h 52m
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
15h 52m
WardiTV Invitational
16h 52m
ByuN vs MaNa
MaxPax vs Solar
Reynor vs Creator
Gerald vs Spirit
Cheesadelphia
20h 52m
CSO Cup
22h 52m
BSL: ProLeague
23h 52m
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
GSL Code S
1d 13h
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 15h
[ Show More ]
BSL: ProLeague
1d 23h
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
4 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.