[GG] Team Liquid Mafia - Resurrection

On December 13 2008 17:06 clazziquai wrote:


##I VOTE FOR SCARAMANGA

On December 15 2008 03:01 Hyperbola wrote:

sorry caller, didn't notice your post there. Scaramanga seems to actually be our best clue so far! Think about it:
- picture with a person holding up a liquid:


-also his name: Scaramanga, the liquid scars people, it even burns people's faces off.

-and also from his quote: "SaiR is next Bonjwa" it sounds a lot like “Your time of running things is over, our time is now”

It seems Scaramanga is actually our best bet to get a mafia.

AND ALSO

Everybody: switch your votes from folca! It does not matter how much of a jerk he was last game! With no clues against him, he is 80% most likely to be innocent.

On December 15 2008 09:43 Tensai176 wrote:
Yeah the clues against scarmanga are pretty damn weak...

On December 15 2008 12:06 zeks wrote:
many of the participants this game don't really have much of a profile to gather clues on

so it might be a reason for bloodyc0bbler to keep it more simple...

On December 15 2008 12:39 Scaramanga wrote:
Guys change your vote to Ver
Hes known mafia thanks to a dt
If this checks out blues pm your roles to ace and we'll get a town web happening

On December 15 2008 14:00 Scaramanga wrote:

OKOK Dont do this, ive gotta get some shit sorted first

On December 15 2008 14:43 chaoser wrote:
personally I don't trust this whole "ver is mafia cause dt said so" because what's the source? we could technically all go around saying "BLANK is mafia, a dt told me" why would a dt tell anyone they are dt unless they 100% trusted them. and since it's the first day, there's no reason to 100% trust anyone. since we don't know who the dt is, there's no reason we should be swayed by his words since they have no real weight behind them.

On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote:
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us

On December 15 2008 15:22 chaoser wrote:


sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one.

On December 15 2008 15:49 Ver wrote:
To start off, it seems more than a little strange that I'm being targeted without having made a single post. My reasons for that are below, but all the same, even if a DT followed what Ace suggested in the thread, there is very little reason why that DT would not check Ace himself as he is at least as dangerous/helpful as me if not even moreso. Lastly, why would the DT pm Ace of all people to be his mouthpiece, given that if he's mafia he's one of the most dangerous/the most dangerous person in the game and you don't want to give him a big head start by knowing a DT. He cannot know both that I am mafia and Ace innocent this early. Thus either this 'DT' is being really stupid or there is a greater scheme going on here.

The fact that everyone is taking this accusation at face value and bandwagoning me does not show a healthy minded town. I got accused out of nowhere and only one person questions these proceedings. Everyone is just bandwagoning from one target to another on the flimsiest of reasons. Killing Folca for last game is just dumb. Clues on day 1 are not a sufficient reason to kill Scar, but at the same time, posting a screenshot doesn't prove anything. Isn't that right, shallow[bay]? Then people voted for some random zombie who can equally be a clueless mafia or clueless townie. And now everyone jumps on me once I'm 'supposedly' guilty. As if anything can be proven this early. Quit the bandwagoning (folca->scar->veno-> me all in 1 day seriously lol) and think critically. Only 1 person so far is even questioning what's going on and everyone just dismisses him.

This would normally be a battle of arguing/my word vs Ace's. However, the fact that he say's he was informed I was a mafia from someone else makes this considerably more complex than a kill one then kill the other if wrong situation. Consider the two likely scenarios:

1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario.

2) I am innocent, and either Ace or the 'DT' are mafia. Here lynching me immediately puts us in a big hole. Ace can of course call out the 'DT' as mafia, but Ace could easily be mafia yourself fingering an innocent person. Or the mafia member posing as 'DT' could argue to get Ace killed. Thus the town gets considerably behind and either loses two of it's most valuable thinkers for 1 mafia (great great trade for them) or loses 1 analyst for 1 mafia, which is still a pretty poor trade for the town considering mafia KP is rounded up.

The point is that except for option 1 the town is going to be stuck in a very messy situation that will take several days to extricate fully and could potentially result in myself and Ace both being innocent and dying from the town itself. Or just as bad, I turn up innocent, Ace as mafia gets the town to kill the DT who didn't check Ace first and wastes two days of lynching again. Or Ace can prioritize his survival and kill the DT in the night. If you blindly rush the gun here you are betting on the fact that I am mafia and are way behind if I turn up innocent.

Thus I propose an offshoot of Alventenie's plan from game 3. Let us both live. Force the mafia to make a decision of who to kill. Unlike in Alventenie's plan, I cannot offer anything more than being a townie. But I am an exceedingly valuable townie in my analyses and plans, as the inner circle people last game can attest to (which is likely why I was fingered for this). And also analysis/plans are very easy to check on to see if I uphold myself logically as I consistently have before. If I don't hold myself accountable to this, then bam dead. The same goes for Ace and the results of this 'alleged' DT too.

Therefore, give us an extension till tomorrow to figure out a better target BC. I can stay up for an hour or so to debate but then I must sleep.

Edit: Finished an incomplete sentence (added 'argue to get Ace killed. ' in paragraph 2) )

On December 15 2008 16:01 zeks wrote:
"posting a screenshot doesn't prove anything. Isn't that right, shallow[bay]?" - Ver

in regards to scaramanga's screenshot

from what i see the screenshot is kinda cut off so we can't see ur name on the top left - seems like the img was resized for some reason

i think its fishy that this supposed dt picked Ver of all people to check: i dont really see many strong clues against him, and i dont think anyone has posted an analysis on him thus far...

if what ace says is truth, then:
1. this dt must have some sort of bond with ace previously for him to trust Ace right from the get go
2. this dt lucked out (or is super smart) and picked Ver out of all ppl to check (20% chance to land a red)

i agree with ver, quit bandwagoning blindly

On December 15 2008 16:07 Vivi57 wrote:


Even then, one less mafia would be good for the town.

If nothing else, ace's post says that we need to carefully watch him to see who's side he's really on.

1. If Ver turns up mafia then we need to check out ace to make sure he's not sacrificing one of his own to gain a list of blues.

2. If Ver turns up green or blue, we need to get the name of ace's dt and decide if we want to lynch ace or his "dt"

Either way, it will give the town a direction, even if the clues aren't good on the next day

On December 15 2008 16:23 Camlito wrote:


Failing as usual already, decaf. Lol.

Can't wait for next set of clues to find a coffee clue and automatically kill you :D.

On December 15 2008 16:33 Ver wrote:
I'm speechless.

I wouldn't have minded being lynched if we debated it out and I got outargued by Ace or something and ended up dying. If that's how the game goes so be it.

But I barely get to post my defense because the game started super fast without warning, people start realizing the flaws in the argument against me (which there are, whether I am mafia or not this is fact), and I get lynched before my side has any time to convince the bandwagoners.

....

On December 15 2008 16:37 nevake wrote:
I didn't think lynching Ver would be the best thing to do, but the outcome is the best one we could have hoped for. Now the mafia lose one of their better players, and despite their killing power, it's still -1.

What we have to do now is make sure that Ace or his source can be trusted. Since there's almost no way (unless by random pm's and blind trust) that Ace got in contact with a DT so early, he is hinting that he himself is the DT. Someone check Ace and make sure he's clean, work with him, we'll go from there.