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Just out of curiosity, where did 0cz3c get accused of being a mafia? I didn't see it. What evidence was there? nice poem though. Oh and I will be much more active in a few days, I have a LOT of shit to do in the next week. I have a major paper to edit, and two final exams to take. After that I will become a lot more active in this game. My school finishes on the 19th. | ||
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I say for the moment, stop focusing on the stargate clues. That is just stupid. I trust Ace right now, but I would prefer to have a DT confirmation to back it. However I also don't want to throw away a valuable DT, so I am not sure what to do yet. I am about to check into Ace's Martyr plan, but I doubt that he hasn't checked into it yet, so I am sure its solid. This is good because we get to confirm paramedics for other prominent players while not risking the medics to the suicide bomber. | ||
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In Stargate, there was a group early on Called the System Lords, they were a group of ghou'ld that worked together to control the universe. Anyway, it looks as though he is naming each mafia after a system lord. In the series, Anubis was the worst of them all, so I think we can assume Anubis links to the most active mafia person? Or whoever sends in there hits. That's all I got for now. | ||
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At first, I thought Ace should be trusted. I thought he was a DT who checked Ver in search of an ally to start forming a town circle around. My reasoning here is this. Ace is a very good player, and last game Ver was also exceptionally useful on the towns side. I believe Ace PMed him looking for someone to start up a town circle with, someone he could PM and talk about plans, strategies and thoughts. So he checked him. In something that is both good and bad, Ver popped red. Ver would be a very instrumental player for the mafia or the town, whoever got him. So Ace couldn't exactly ignore that. That is where I thought he designed this whole medic/martyr plan from. He needed to be open about it and not make this entirely behind the scenes as he was initially trying to do. Now that he found out Ver, I believe he had to make the town circle moderately open and hope for adequate protection using martyr and medics. As the night fell this seemed like a good idea, we lynched Ver he was red, the drama progressed. The day post came and two DT's are now found dead. This was extremely strange to me. The mafia either has some sort of informant or something, or statistics make a fool out of us. There is a 3/40 chance of them hitting a dt, then a 2/39 chance. IT isn't high for them to take down two. Now for the next thing that doesn't make sense. I didn't post earlier hoping the mafia wouldn't notice this inconsistency. Ace said that "A little birdie" told him that Ver was a mafioso. That doesn't make sense. A DT gets ONE role use per day/night cycle. The DT couldn't use both role checks to check BOTH Ver and Ace. Which means the Dt would have had to blind trust Ace. Which isn't a smart thing to do without any evidence to back it up. So that means Ace was the the DT, not someone who PMed him. Then again, the blind trust thing is possible. But unlikely. Now the next thing. Ace gets mad several posts after the day post about how hes a Veteran and how he took a hit, and how the medics/martyrs didn't do anything. Now to me this is "...Wait, What? Ace is a Vet?" How the hell does that make sense? It just really doesn't. Two DT's died. Ace claimed that the only one he knew was a DT was Camlito. Now the only person who an confirm whether or not Ace is lying is dead. Also he would of had to have been the one who role claimed, and now he is dead. Camlito was very smart. He ran the lucchese family last game who would of won, I can't see him blind trusting Ace the way it would now have had to happen. During this entire period I have been PMing Ace, Upon reading that post I start PMing him with my doubts about his motives and how I don't really trust him as much anymore. I asked for an explanation for all this, to which Ace didn't give one. I told him that if he didn't start trying to explain, I would just post everything I thought which I think would discredit him a lot. Thus we come to this, I am debating on whether or not I should share the PMs. I will later on if I deem it necessary. For now, I don't know what to do with Ace, but I would say take everything he says with a grain of salt until we have something set in motion. | ||
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Ace, I want some answers -_-; we need some if you want to look innocent or anything. I asked you for them and you wouldn't give them to me, someone has to. | ||
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On December 17 2008 05:15 Ace wrote: no one has to tell you anything. It's obvious as day I'm innocent. If it was obvious as day that you were innocent, then no one would be questioning it. Same with you Spike. There is evidence against spike, and suspicious behavior on Ace. Also, I noticed you stopped PMing me after I said I would post the PMs if they were necessary. | ||
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Also that is weird that everyone gets told who is silenced. It makes the role less useful, if you silence someone important and then slam him, he can't defend himself. Which would help the mafia own people a lot. The only difference between this mafia and mafia 3 is the silencer. The silencer makes the mafia a little stronger when it was debated that the town was overpowered in mafia 3. | ||
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On December 18 2008 05:13 Ace wrote: I'm sure one of the vigis will hit Fishball tonight. So if you're a vigi and you personally have never contacted me - DO NOT KILL FISHBALL. Kill capek instead. lulz. Secondly, I'm pretty sure that more_minerals is mafia. Something he did doesn't add up. Earlier he role claimed DT. But we all know he isn't the last DT. Right? Ok, here's the issue - if he was a townie fake claiming DT and you were mafia - wouldn't you take the chance and hit him anyway? MM wasn't touched on Night 1 and he posted something highly suspicious. If he was a DT, or of any use where has he been all this time? He's highly suspicious. I disagree, hes an idiot, why bother hitting someone who appears dumb? He just had that one stupid post that looked like a half cocked bluff. I really doubt hes a mafia. Besides Ace, why do you all of a sudden want to hit someone based off of behavior? That is retarded. Find some clues to back up your accusation please. When I pressed you under behavior and circumstantial evidence you didn't present any reasonable response for your actions which were fucked up. You flip flopped, role claimed. Had information that you logically should not have had. That was some powerful evidence against you, and we overlooked it, because I believe you said how it meant nothing at some point, or implied it. Now you want to condemn more minerals on some bullshit psycho babble? I still don't trust you, and I honestly don't know why caller does if he hasn't checked you. He admits he isn't 100% sure you are innocent when hes a DT and confides in you, wouldn't you think a role check of some sort would have to happen? | ||
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Ace you are playing this almost as cute as you did in Mafia 3, barely sliding by with arguments that don't make sense. You barely manage to keep it all together, then eventually it blows up in your face. But by then its too late and you have your advantage. When morning comes, I hope the DT is alive so that I can actually have trust in you, if not, I doubt I am going to be the only person calling for your head on a pike. | ||
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Your sig is about to come full circle again I think. | ||
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Or you know, that simpler explanation, like you have the same role. | ||
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On December 18 2008 07:33 Mynock wrote: Rebirth, I think I will speak for many of us when I say that you make no sense whatsoever. Zero, zilch, nada. Have you even read rest of the thread? I posted a massive thing about how Ace acts like a suspicious retard through PMs, how he flip flops on role, how he claimed to know things he couldn't of known. It logically doesn't make sense. Even if Caller dies, it puts no blame on Ace at all. If Caller dies it's his and only his fault. But again, it's all good, since we have the mafia guessing, while providing the medics with good, valid targets to defend. It's in the favour of Town. I said earlier, that it is now Callers fault which shifts blame from Ace. Now Ace isn't the only person who knows Callers role. So if Caller dies tonight, Ace isn't implicated in the death of our last DT. It makes sense. Also, if either Fishball and/or Capek die tonight and spill red blood, then Ace is proven, and even if you choose to think he isn't, it's still good for the Town. In case neither Fishball, nor Capek turn out to be red, THEN Ace is under suspicion. If that happens then yes, I will agree that Ace is useful for the town and not mafia. The mafia Sacrificing 3 people to get town trust is not worth it. That would mean they would of Sacrificed Ver, and two others which would greatly reduce there KP. I think that if Ace and Ver were both mafia, that sacrificing one to give the other town trust would be beneficial to the mafia. Town trust of someone like Ace is worth more then the mind of Ver also on your side. Does what I say still make little sense? If you want I can send you my PMs with Ace where he doesn't make sense and contradicts himself. Just PM me. | ||
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