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rules question:
Mad Hatter - May lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 3). If he is killed he will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives or Paramedics). He may remove any of them off players at any time in the game and if a players is killed with one on them while the Mad Hatter is still alive he loses that bomb.
if the mad hatter removes a bomb from a target, does he get the bomb back, or does he just destroy it?
when do we start? i hope i don't become vanilla townie.
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On March 13 2008 18:30 Ziel wrote:Ahahahahah WOW the turnout is soooo good! This is gonna be more epic than a wow raid!  when do we start?! Btw Chuiu think you forgot the rule about ppl not being able to edit their posts, even for grammar corrections. And a Q: If you're a plain towny and announce that you are one, there's no disadvantage there, yes? Since the mafia already know who all the mafias are.
people were free to edit last game, but editing may look suspicious depending on the timestamp and circumstances.
you can claim to have any role you want, but nobody needs to believe you. saying you have a certain role might cast doubt on you and lead people to watch you closely. oh, and you'd better not say you are mafia 
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ya, Chuiu has some serious work ahead of him. is there an assistant? or two? or three?
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ehmmm... i'm against a minimum post limit
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i don't wanna be a nuisance, but when are we starting?
regarding dapperdan's suggestion to do the voting in separate blogs where it is forbidden to post anything else:
i'm against this. that would make it too easy for people to just bandwagon without giving a reason for their vote. it might work better with fewer people playing, but it's too easy to lay low in such a huge game. i know that the players are responsible for detecting burrowed lurkers, but it just might not work at a scale of 130+ players.
please implement the voting method of writing ##vote XXX in this thread instead, where voters are encouraged to lay down their thoughts as to why they vote the way they do.
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On March 15 2008 23:44 Falcynn wrote:I heard we were starting Sunday. Also as for the voting system. If we do the separate blogs for voting we can make it so that every post made in their is required to be a vote, but you can still post your reasons in your post. For example... Show nested quote +On March 18 2008 8:32 SomeRandomExample wrote:
If anyone cares my reason for voting this way is because blah blah blah.
I vote SomeExampleRandom or It might be a nuisance having to look through all those links but it's still (imo) easier to keep track of votes and things like vote changes than looking through a huge thread to check peoples voting records. Especially considering that the way the votes are broken up will be like 1-3 actual votes for every 15 posts by some group of people arguing.
i doubt that works well either, falcynn. people would then have to cross-check between multiple threads to find a certain player's thoughts on his vote. furthermore, publishing one's reasons will often provoke a discussion, which would have to take place in a different thread. it's also uncomfortable to quote from another thread.
i don't think votes are much harder to track if they are placed in this thread in the ##vote format, which should be searchable quite easily.
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On March 16 2008 21:53 Bockit wrote:
how long again till the start?
chuiu said "tomorrow evening" (US time?), which should be in about 12 hours if i didn't screw up with those time zones.
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Damn, I had hoped to be able to cast my vote for mayor before i leave for Italy (No, i'm not mafia...yet ) for 2-3 days. Don't you guys lynch innocent people during my absence!
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Whew! I just (superficially) caught up with 60 pages worth of Teamliquid Mafia, if the bad guys slay me tonight I'm gonna be pissed. You guys seriously talk too much
I'd like to say that I'm satisfied with Ace as our Mayor. Lynching an inactive player was certainly not a completely wrong decision. The fact that it hit a Mad Hatter is, well, unpleasant, but Ace had obviously no way of knowing which role the target had. I also like Ace's strategic approach to the game, which was completely missing in the first game. It appears the efforts to build up a resistance group of Bodyguards are working out, and also the Detectives are joining in.
I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who?
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Even in case you don't trust Ace, vanilla townies should send a "Hi, I'm a plain towny" PM to him. It can be considered a defensive measure. Mafia aren't interested too much in plain townies, but primarily they want to slay blue ones. Telling the mafia that you are green makes you a low priority target.
This isn't to say that blue townies should lie and claim to be green of course.
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On March 21 2008 04:43 Fishball wrote:
Like I said, Day hasn't even come yet, nor did any Detectives are able to check Ace yet. It's kinda pointless having arguments when things didn't even happen yet.
Detectives ARE able to check Ace already. There's no timing restriction in the OP:
Detective - You have three abilities you may use. You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer. You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has. And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election). You may only use one ability per day.
The fact that no Detective has yet stood up yet claiming to have found Ace a mafia member indicates that, in fact, Ace is townie.
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On March 21 2008 05:15 Ziel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 04:57 Scorch wrote:On March 21 2008 04:43 Fishball wrote:
Like I said, Day hasn't even come yet, nor did any Detectives are able to check Ace yet. It's kinda pointless having arguments when things didn't even happen yet. Detectives ARE able to check Ace already. There's no timing restriction in the OP: Detective - You have three abilities you may use. You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer. You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has. And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election). You may only use one ability per day. The fact that no Detective has yet stood up yet claiming to have found Ace a mafia member indicates that, in fact, Ace is townie. O rly? What if they havent had the time to post yet or somein? Like inControl? That would plain suck ay.
I didn't say it is a proof, just an indication. If i was a Detective, I'd warn the public as soon as possible to prevent blues from reporting to Ace. So don't worry too much. It's been some time already, but feel free to wait a bit longer if you want.
On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote:
Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him?
Don't forget that Ace could simply be lying about having been roleblocked. I don't think so though. I can't quickly think of a scenario where Ace could profit from this lie if he was mafia. And I'm sure he knows that townies shouldn't lie either.
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On March 21 2008 06:36 HeRoS)Pink wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote:On March 21 2008 06:22 CDRdude wrote:On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote:
Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. Perhaps you didn't see what happened in the last game; it was a worse rape than the OSL finals. The town needs to get it's act together this time, and start making a comeback. Also, the plan isn't that bad. It gives a known townie information, which always helps, and he can use that to reduce the odds of hitting town instead of mafia. I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging. I agree, this game is all about challenge, it isnt a game about Lets ALL play with our roles revealed so that we can Kill mafia Easly, thats what is happening atm. people thinking that way (theres a shit load of poeple wanting this) should just not play as simple as that.
May I remind you two that there is no safe way of revealing one's role? People can just lie without easily being noticed, you know? Ace's strategy is forcing mafia to do just that: lie. Town is far from winning. It's just one step in building up information and spotting contratictions to hopefully catch a couple of mafia in the end. How can you come to the conclusion that this strategy is cheap?
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if you don't want to play with a strategy (revealing roles to the mayor), but not without a strategy (random) either, then i don't think this is a game for you.
if you have a plan you deem fun and promising, please enlighten us. just because we are carrying out a certain plan at the moment, that doesn't mean we can't try a different approach at the same time.
edit: man, i'm writing too slowly. this was directed at HeRoS)Pink.
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On March 21 2008 07:19 Kau wrote:
So HeroesPink and FrenchToast, how do you propose we play the game?
It's far easier to rant than to make a constructive suggestion. Same goes for Showtime!. You guys may not necessarily be mafia, but you certainly don't bring us closer to victory either.
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Some nice clues were unearthed while I was asleep. They are all quite obscure and far-fetched though, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Let's wait for sunrise (any estimation when that will be?), then we'll have much more information to work with. If then a second clue points to a certain player, that yields much harder evidence.
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ok, here come my suspicions, based on the latest clues:
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Hittegods
Quote : This street violence, pure self defiance
a considerable portion of the day post deals with a street brawl. i consider this quite a solid connection to Hittegods.
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HotZhot
Quote : I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever
since he likes the dark, he might be mr. blonde: coming out of nowhere, and turning off the light to drop onto Mynock.
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Lysithea
Quote : "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali
this too could be a reference to the drop attack on Mynock from the ceiling.
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~OpZ~
Quote : Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
another one, probably a bit more solid than lysithea's.
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decafchicken
Quote : how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
"...Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot." well, a weak one.
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AmorVincitOmnia
Quote : brown skin woman you a queen
he could be Mr. Brown or King Brown Snake.
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d.arkive
Quote : "Refrigerator. Refrigerator, damn you. Refrigerator."~Spiritofthetuna, speaking in Haiku after losing
because Mynock went to get something from the fridge. notice that this could also cast suspicion on SpiritOfTheTuna.
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Ghar
Quote : All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time
Yogurt and OneBlueAugust are intercepted by 4 men, one for every direction mentioned in Ghar's quote. plus the two townies aren't afraid to take on a whole army, another fitting reference to this signature.
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ShadowDrgn
he could be Mr. Blonde based on his name: coming out of the shadow, and doing a flying attack like a dragon. someone else mentioned this already.
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L
Quote : :D
he could have placed the smilie in exchange for the shotgun. the smilie clue is quite bizarre already, and it probably wouldn't have been given if it was possible to find an easier clue to a certain mafia. now think about what clues you would give towards L, who has a one-letter name and a meaningless signature.
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for me, the strongest suspicion goes, in order, towards:
1. Hittegods
2. Ghar
3. L
i will therefore cast my vote to lynch Hittegods in the voting thread.
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i like your character analysis, Plexa. it shows you really put thought into this. but i don't know if this works out. Chuiu would have to have designed almost complete character profiles (one for each mafia) before the start of the game. while this might be possible, i think it is too much work even for our crazy workhorse Chuiu. plus, he wouldn't easily be able to reflect a mafia's posting/acting behaviour during the game, and everything would screw up when a mafia changes his signature. doing clues more or less spontaneously on a day-per-day basis yields much more flexibility.
i'm not sure if a 1:1 mapping of names in clues to mafia members exists. my doubt is being supported by xDark.Carnivalx's list of mafia names containing 17 names of mafias mentioned in the clues so far, whereas we have 20 mafias playing the game.
my list of possible suspects has no intersection with yours at all because we use completely different interpretation methods. maybe i do stuff too superficially, but it might also be that you think too complex.
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true dat.
if i think about it, my last post comes around quite naive. it's highly probable that there is a clue name for each mafia player. what i meant to say was: while you try to find character traits and features for mafias, i search for things they actually DO, and words in the clue text that hint towards them.
please just continue your way, you just might convince me in the future
my top suspects for now remain Hittegods, Ghar and L. see if you can find something against them.
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thanks L for pointing out Ghar's mayor campaigning picture. he was second on my suspect list before, and now he has taken the clear lead. i am going to change my vote to Ghar.
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