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United States1739 Posts

March 15 2008 19:19 GMT

#229

12 pages and the game hasn't even started yet. : x

MTF

United States1739 Posts

March 18 2008 02:11 GMT

#281

On March 18 2008 11:05 randombum wrote:
So... any rough estimate on when u pass out roles tonight chuiu?

If he extended to exactly a day past when he originally intended to do roles, it should be in about two hours.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

March 27 2008 19:54 GMT

#3178

On March 28 2008 02:20 Ace wrote:
Ok so lets do it like this:

a.) check if that clue about severed head points to Ghar

b.) role check wurm

c.) lynch wurm anyway

I think that covers everything right?

c.)

Not cooperating on a united front and unconfirmed track record as a supposed medic.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

March 30 2008 04:38 GMT

#3511

On March 30 2008 13:07 Plexa wrote:
MTF as Enigma
+ Show Spoiler [Enigma] +

Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"

The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake. Well Dinmsab was getting really impatient at this point and demanded an explanation for what was going on. Enigma stood up and proclaimed "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".

Traits
- Righteous
- Eager to to what he sees is right

This is rather nice

"The self-righteously ignorant are the only ones who ever truly believe they've got everything figured out." hello Enigma's persona! rather sure about this clue too

You know you're a narcissistic bastard when you enjoy being analyzed for a forum game. :B

*points to self*

The only people I have any real suspicion of are bumatlarge and Queasy, both on seemingly the same set of clues. But, last game the clues that we (or at least I) thought were all interconnected were not; there would be clues for multiple people while just one mafia persona was being referenced.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 06 2008 18:03 GMT

#3781

On April 07 2008 02:51 Jimtudor wrote:
hmm, I think next game detectives should be able to check how many mafia abstained. Or can they do check now?

Detectives can't check the abstain list, only lists of who voted for specific people.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 07 2008 16:12 GMT

#3838

One of the ways we could approach this is similar to what Ace devised earlier, splitting a vote into two groups.

Just take the confirmed innocents and have them all abstain/vote for a specific suspicious person, while the rest are split into several groups to vote for other specific people, then have DT check the lists.

In this manner, we know how many active voters = mafia and how many inactive are, and if we get very lucky, we could possibly get a slightly more significant number into a single list to narrow down the percentage of error.

And, of course

We have the following certain information:
EITHER one out of
- imDerek
- Evilmonkey
- Alventenie
is mafia, OR two out of
- Chezinu
- useLess
- aZnvaLiaNce
- fusionsdf
are mafia.
From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia.

Everyone should be examining these people.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 10 2008 16:19 GMT

#4031

Unless the votes look stacked against another strong suspect, I'll be voting for useless. He seems to blatantly be Black Mamba as every encounter he is in, he is hit/misses his own hit.

Looking into other clues at the moment.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 10 2008 19:05 GMT

#4045

So after a few hours of off and on searching through every profile twice, I've come up with depressingly few links.

Lysithea: Possibly Mr. Pink

- Signature quote is from Ali, boxer and certainly able fighter.
- Doesn't fit with the quiet clue, however.

JimTudor: Possibly Mr. Blonde

- Name is linked to a hockey player.

I guess I'll be voting to lynch L and useless.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 12 2008 10:00 GMT

#4284

Cross-referencing the Mandalor list and the list Ace posted of people who rarely post:

ieatkids5 - voted everyday except Day 1
Alethios - voted everyday
ZBiR - voted everyday except Day 4
Unforgiven_ve - voted everyday except day 3
GranDim - voted everyday
LoStYouRSkiLLS - only voted Day 1 and nothing else
Lysithea - did everything
SoleSteeler - did everything
GeneralStan - voted everyday except day 4
BWdero - done everything
butidigress - did everything
unsoundlogic - didnt vote Day 1
decafchicken - did everything

All on Ace's list and the Mandalor list. Gonna look into these peoples voting records, see if any of them are clumped together anywhere.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 12 2008 11:03 GMT

#4294

I will not count inactive votes beyond the Mayoral election.

Known Mafia Voting Patterns:

Mandalor:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace.
Day 2: Abstain. Died this cycle.

Queasy: [Fairly certain he was inactive after the beginning, given that he never voted again.]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.

d.arkive:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.

Evilmonkey:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar.
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Died this cycle

Total Similar Mafia Votes:

Mayoral Vote: None.
Day 2: Two did not vote.
Day 3: No second votes.
Day 4: No votes/abstained.
Day 5: ~

Suspect Voting Patterns:

ieatkids5:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Alethios:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Useless
Day 5: Suresh0t and fusion.

ZBiR:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Fusion.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm and BlindAlbino.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Unforgiven_ve:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu

GranDim:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.

LoStYouRSkiLLS: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Actually not on the Mandalor list in Chuiu's blog...?
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Lysithea:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

SoleSteeler:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: L and Siefu.

GeneralStan:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

BWdero:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.

butidigress:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.

unsoundlogic:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.

decafchicken:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Total Similar Suspect Votes:

Mayoral Vote: Two no votes, four votes for Randombum, five votes for Empyrean.
Day 2: Goes without saying.
Day 3: Three for Ghar with no second vote, two no votes, five Wurm with no second vote.
Day 4: Ten abstain/no vote, two for TranceStorm.
Day 5: Seven voted for nobody, four for EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Combined Totals - Mafia and Suspects:

Mayoral vote: One Mafia and four suspects voted Randombum. One Mafia and one suspect voted for Ace. One Mafia and two suspects voted for nobody.

Day 3: Two Mafia and eight suspects had no second votes.

Day 4: Two Mafia and nine suspects did not vote or abstained.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 12 2008 13:03 GMT

#4306

Vote count for known Mafia and people not dead/confirmed innocent on the Mandalor list...I will not count inactive votes beyond the Mayoral election.

+ Show Spoiler [All Individual Votes] +

Known Mafia Voting Patterns:

BlindAlbino:

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Mandalor:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace.
Day 2: Abstain. Died this cycle.

Queasy: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.

d.arkive:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.

Evilmonkey:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar.
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Died this cycle

Total Similar Mafia Votes:

Mayoral Vote: None.
Day 2: Two did not vote.
Day 3: No second votes.
Day 4: No votes/abstained.
Day 5: ~

Suspect Voting Patterns:

ieatkids5:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Two voted for Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Alethios:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Useless
Day 5: Suresh0t and fusion.

ZBiR:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Fusion.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm and BlindAlbino.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Unforgiven_ve:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu

GranDim:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.

LoStYouRSkiLLS: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Actually not on the Mandalor list in Chuiu's blog...?
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Lysithea:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

SoleSteeler:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: L and Siefu.

GeneralStan:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

BWdero:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.

butidigress:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.

unsoundlogic:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.

decafchicken:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean.
Day 2: Mandalor.
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Last Romantic:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: SoleSteeler, no second vote.

ShaLLoW[baY]:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Queasy
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

qrs:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Araav
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: Araav
Day 5: Suresh0t and Fusion.

clazziquai:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

ahrara_:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Falcynn:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.

Scorch:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Siefu, no second vote.

nemY:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Bugzitooni, no second vote.

MidnightGladius:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.

L:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

Eti307:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.

suresh0t:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

randombum:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.

Artanis[Xp]:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

Ninja4ever.:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Naib:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Wurm.
Day 4: Fusion
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

Romance_us:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

RtS)Night[Mare:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

Jimtudor:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.

Lenwe:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: No vote.

NatsuTerran:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Ninja4ever.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

0cz3c:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

zeks:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: L, no second vote.

Pangolin:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Energies
Day 5: No vote.

SpiritoftheTuna:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.

Energies:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and abstain.
Day 4: d.arkive (Day before he blew himself up, however.)
Day 5: No vote.

BloodyC0bbler:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Abstain
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

iNfuNdiBuLuM:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Showtime!
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

SoMuchBetter: [Inactive?]
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

Camlito:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.

fanatacist:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Bumatlarge.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.

SonuvBob:
+ Show Spoiler +

Mayoral Vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar and Randombum.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.

TOTAL VOTE TALLY
minus Ace and Plexa to save me some time

~Mayoral Vote~

Abstain/No vote: One Mafia and eight suspects.
Ace: One Mafia and eleven suspects.
Fusion: No Mafia and two suspects.
Randombum: Two Mafia and eleven suspects.
Empyrean: No Mafia and twelve suspects. I do not think any Mafia would vote for Empyrean after knowing he's a detective, so maybe those who did should be considered somewhat vindicated.
Araav: No Mafia and one suspect.

Day 3:

No vote: One suspect.
Bumatlarge, no second vote: One Mafia and no suspects.
Ace, no second vote: One Mafia and no suspects.

Ghar, no second vote: Nine suspects.
Ghar and Wurm: Three suspects.
Ghar and Showtime!: Four suspects.
Ghar and Bumatlarge: Five suspects.
Ghar and Ninja4ever: One suspect.
Ghar and Randombum: One suspect.

Wurm, no second vote: Thirteen suspects.
Wurm and BlindAlbino: One suspect.
Wurm and Queasy: One (Shallow[Bay]) suspect.
Wurm and Showtime!: Two suspects.
Wurm and Bumatlarge: One suspect.

Day 4:

No vote/Abstain: Two Mafia and thirty-two suspects.
Useless: No Mafia and one suspect.
Trancestorm: No Mafia and six suspects.
Araav: No Mafia and one suspect.
Fusion: No Mafia and one suspect.
Energies: No Mafia and one suspect.
D.arkive: No Mafia and one (Energies) suspect.

Day 5:

No vote/Abstain: Twenty-two suspects, seventeen of which did not vote/abstained on Day 4 as well.
Evilmonkey and Siefu: Thirteen suspects.
Suresh0t and Fusion: Two suspects.
L and Siefu: One suspect.
Solesteeler, no second vote: One suspect.
Siefu, no second vote: One suspect.
Bugzitooni, no second vote: One suspect.
L, no second vote: One suspect.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sadly, my efforts seemed to have been for nil, as I can find no discernable patterns. I thought perhaps that the large portion of Mafia and original suspects that abstained on days 4 and 5 might point to something helpful, but so many people either stopped voting or abstained that it's buried any helpful material that might be there. : /

As for who I personally feel is guilty/innocent on the list...The only person I'm reasonably sure (outside of Ace/Plexa) that is innocent is Shallow. Not because of his voting for Queasy, but just his general helpful approach this game and that he's voted a straight townie line, aka not spreading votes all over the place.

I have some general suspicions about many of the people left, but nothing concrete lines up with them yet. Time to dive back into the profiles.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 12 2008 14:00 GMT

#4309

L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty.

Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +

Original Message:
hi!

i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:

"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."

this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.

now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...

Traits
- Seems to be well composed
- Not phased by death, (necessary change?)
- Able fighter
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)

... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.

furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.

and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well.

.

Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall.

Looking into others...

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 12 2008 14:13 GMT

#4311

Aznvaliance made the first post about TranceStorm's name being connected to electricity. LTT posted the same idea a few pages later, but didn't seem too convinced of it.

Naib was advocating a double lynch to get both Useless (confirmed innocent now) and TranceStorm or Energies. Nothing solid on him, but his post rings of false enthusiasm to me. I'll look to see if I can connect anything to chess, royalty, or things that begin one way many times but always end up different later.

Nobody else really seems to have pushed for TranceStorm's demise.

GeneralStan questioned Ace's role after Ace told everyone to lynch Mandalor. BlindAlbino questioned Mandalors' guilt and then stated he believes str to be Mafia. Infundibulum made what could be interpreted as an almost passive-aggressive remark about Mandalor being doomed, then went on to accuse Ghar, str, Energies, Kau, and LostYourSkills.

Nobody else made any remarks of note that I saw. Nobody tried to stand in the way of Evilmonkey going down either, from what I saw.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 12 2008 20:09 GMT

#4329

Just as a sort of summary for myself from that false list...

Innocents:

Empyrean - Dead/innocent.
Plexa - Most probably innocent.
~OpZ~ - Proven innocent.

Unknowns

MTF - Innocent, but can't really prove that. :p
JoxxOr

SpiritoftheTuna - On the Mandalor list.
Pangolin - On the Mandalor list.
NatsuTerran - On the Mandalor list.
Eti307 - On the Mandalor list.
Romance_us - On the Mandalor list.
BloodyC0bbler - On the Mandalor list.

Mafia

d.arkive - Mafia

I'm fairly sure there can't be more than one Mafia left altogether in that list, unless Mafia got greedy and tried to get a large early boost. What I think is more likely is that everyone remaining on the list is innocent; Mafia knew d.arkive would be revealed at some point and I don't think they'd risk throwing more Mafia in such a list as bait later. Unless we're dealing with stupid people, but based on the number of blues dead, I doubt it. Also, I don't remember the exact timing of this list, but I know I was a suspect of Plexa's for a little bit, so all the more reason for me to be on a fake list with a confirmed Mafia in it.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 13 2008 10:32 GMT

#4380

On April 13 2008 18:00 Scorch wrote:

Show nested quote +

That PM came from me. It appears you think that makes me mafia. It does not.

First, read again what I wrote and tell me what of that is complete made-up bullshit. With the knowledge we had at that point, I think it all made sense. I just wrote what I thought was the truth.
Second, had I wanted to start a bandwagon, I would've posted this in the thread instead of in a PM. I posted this privately because I wanted Plexa's opinion on my thoughts.
Third, you'll have to admint that there really was a lot of plausible evidence against Ghar (especially that picture), which made 30 people believe he was guilty. I was not the only one who thought he was mafia.

Nah, I don't automatically assume that you are Mafia because of the PM. It does, however, put you under more scrutiny. I know everyone believed Ghar was guilty and I mentioned that the clues did seem to add up, but I have to look more closely at those who seemed to push the most at the beginning and tried to allay doubts as to the persons guilt.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 13 2008 11:53 GMT

#4384

On April 13 2008 20:24 Plexa wrote:
oh hey MTF is not necessarily innocent anymore!

Indeed! :p

On April 13 2008 05:09 MTF wrote:
Just as a sort of summary for myself from that false list...

Innocents:

Empyrean - Dead/innocent.
Plexa - Most probably innocent.
~OpZ~ - Proven innocent.

Unknowns

MTF - Innocent, but can't really prove that. :p
JoxxOr

SpiritoftheTuna - On the Mandalor list.
Pangolin - On the Mandalor list.
NatsuTerran - On the Mandalor list.
Eti307 - On the Mandalor list.
Romance_us - On the Mandalor list.
BloodyC0bbler - On the Mandalor list.

Mafia

d.arkive - Mafia

I'm fairly sure there can't be more than one Mafia left altogether in that list, unless Mafia got greedy and tried to get a large early boost. What I think is more likely is that everyone remaining on the list is innocent; Mafia knew d.arkive would be revealed at some point and I don't think they'd risk throwing more Mafia in such a list as bait later. Unless we're dealing with stupid people, but based on the number of blues dead, I doubt it. Also, I don't remember the exact timing of this list, but I know I was a suspect of Plexa's for a little bit, so all the more reason for me to be on a fake list with a confirmed Mafia in it.

MTF

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April 13 2008 16:17 GMT

#4392

On April 14 2008 00:40 Plexa wrote:

On a more serious note, here are my suspects:
---- HIGH----
SoMuchBetter - Californian Mountain Snake
Jimtudor - Mr Red
Lysithea - Moon clue

---MEDIUM------
nemY - Faces meeting
Naib - Enigma/Joe (name translates as Viceroy)
zeks - quote
ieatkids5
SoleSteeler
GeneralStan
suresh0t
Ninja4ever.

SoMuchBetter - Nnnot quite sure where this one is coming from.

Jimtudor - Again, no quite sure. He was on my list of suspects as Mr. Blonde in the past because of him sharing his name with a hockey player, which doesn't really fit with Red's theme of falling down. The only other connection I know of is to the Tudor family, and the only connection to falling down I can find there is the back and forth instability of each successors religious views.

Lysithea - I reallllly like this one. The moon clue fits, and I'm still half-convinced the Ali quote has come into play before as Mr. Pink has several times shown himself to be able to fight/move fast.

Nemy - It's a little fragile, but as searches for Nemy have only brought up a former New York Times female reporter, it's plausible that the image would be used in such a way.

Naib - I like the connection to Joe, though I'm not sure how Enigma is likewise connected. In either case, I still have a gut feeling about this guy.

The rest I've seen different bits of evidence alluding to them by several peoples posts, so no surprise they're all gathered there.

All in all, I think Lysithea is the strongest candidate for lynching, at least until the next day post and more clues come. I'd like you to elaborate on why you suspect these people in more detail, especially SoMuchBetter and Jimtudor, as they must have reasoning that I'm just not seeing to be so high on your list.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 13 2008 16:27 GMT

#4396

On April 14 2008 01:23 Falcynn wrote:

Show nested quote +

lol? what tournaments were those from?

The Gom TG Intel Classic that aired last night.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 13 2008 16:39 GMT

#4397

On April 13 2008 22:54 Plexa wrote:
by the way, my team of expert detectives have uncovered a interesting fact

Either MidnightGladius is Mafia
or MTF is mafia

Alright, I'm actually happy about this, because of two things:

1. Any time Mafia is reduced to so few odds, town gets a huge boost. 50/50 isn't a bad draw at all, and if you get it wrong the first time, odds bump up to 100%!
2. I already know which one of us it is. :p

The problem is, I can't really pinpoint MidnightGladius to a Mafia. The strongest connection I see is the simplest, being that Snake Charmer is thus far only known for using swords. The only other possible reference I have found is this character from Magic: The Gathering, but I haven't been able to link the character to any of the Mafia traits besides being cruel, which most of them habitually are.

But either way, town wins from it being narrowed down to us two. Just a matter of what happens first before a Mafia is found.

On April 14 2008 01:18 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
Just pointing out that Mr . Blonde isnt EvilMonkey But DTDominion
Reason : always coming out of nowhere and guess what a DT always came out of nowhere
He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde reference to a dt again
+ like plexa pointed out , he always get close to his enemy same as a DT

I like this connection quite a bit.

MTF

United States1739 Posts

April 13 2008 16:46 GMT

#4399

On April 14 2008 01:43 BlindAlbino wrote:
plexa, I hope you realize that red moon clue was for evilmonkey. caller pointed it out a while back.
evilmonkey birthday was on the same day as the last red moon. surely no coincidence.

That seems like a bigger stretch than Lysithea's name being directly connected to a moon.

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