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So far, I like the Bodyguard plan the best and the overall the impression Ace made on me is nothing but positive. Given that we can't really draw any conclusions from one days batch of clues I'll just vote what I feel is the best. Currently it's Ace for mayor. However if it looks like Ace is getting a landslide victory I might change my vote toward a different candidate for pardoner spot, who that's gonna be I don't know.
If Empyrean is a DT he could be very valuable as pardoner but it's something about the whole thing that just feels out of place. I'm tempted to vote for him, not for mayor but as pardoner. Wish we could have more campaigning from his side. My question to all of you is: would it be beneficial enough for mafia to even attempt the stunt empyrean is employing? Would it be reasonable? I'm asking cause I'm not sure whether to vote for Empyrean or someone else in the case of me voting for a pardoner spot. Ghar (cause he acually got a plan) and randombum (he played solid the last mafia game, a game I only was a spectator in) would be my other choices.
Did I miss something crucial in my reasoning? Did I forget something along the way these last 13pages? Tell me!
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On March 19 2008 02:13 Lysithea wrote:
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If Empyrean is a DT he could be very valuable as pardoner but it's something about the whole thing that just feels out of place. I'm tempted to vote for him, not for mayor but as pardoner. Wish we could have more campaigning from his side. My question to all of you is: would it be beneficial enough for mafia to even attempt the stunt empyrean is employing? Would it be reasonable? I'm asking cause I'm not sure whether to vote for Empyrean or someone else in the case of me voting for a pardoner spot.
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Reposting this part from my own post since I really want peoples thoughts on this.
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Since it looks like Ace gonna get more votes than anyone else I'll change my vote for my second the best candidate for pardoner, randombum. Thanks for the input on empyrean stuff btw, 15pages got my head spinning.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 19 2008 04:19 Hollander wrote:
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Out of those two, I only know Lysithea enough to know he's dumb as an unshoed horses hoof which only underlines him being Mr. Blonde, hehe :p
... pff, says the oily norwegian who played a feraldruid in pvp! (don't go and get me killed holl, I wanna play this for awhile :/)
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So.. by tomorrow if none has spoken up against your townmanship we can be pretty sure you're legit, correct?
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Probably good if I say this btw, I'm much of a lurker not much of a poster. Often enough what I was about to say has already been said. Don't feel like repeating stuff unnecessary. Hopefully I can become more active when the clues start coming in, the whole mayoral part was pretty straightforward for me. The outcome turned out exactly how I wanted (I already expressed my preferred situation at the start/mid of day1).
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Fusiondf, that was for the day1 lynch only since we couldn't really rely on such vague connections to clues. We're of course lynching based on clues and whatever else we can do to single out mafia from here on out.
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It feels like several persons already are pretty sure of other persons being mafia based on... pretty much nothing? Please don't go and accuse people without stating your reason why. We need discussion to happen so we can form a good probable reason to why a person might be mafia. Just stating that "this person is mafia, it's obvious!" doesn't help those that might not understand why (including me).
As a spectator last game it felt like some lynches just happened on a.. whim? We really need discussion and good connections to clues and whatnot before we go and let the masses bandwagon kill someone (please don't do this, tho I realize I might do this myself sometime :| ).
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Oh I forgot to ask, have someone googled/wikied about persons profiles etc and compiled it in a neat file or something? Just wondering cause I know I'll be too lazy to do it but it would become very handy later on.
On second thought, if someone has, they're probably waiting for Ace to be cleared towny to then funnel the information through him to avoid being killed.
For now, nevermind me.
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On March 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote:
I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who?
If none has spoken up against Ace soon enough (a BG dies tonight and one of the other BGs didnt have that BG on his list or a DT rolechecked him for mafia) he should be considered legit. If the DTs is paranoid they could all use one of their rolechecks just to be sure I guess, aslong as one them do it, it should be fine. They should contact him to prevent exactly this situation, the whole plan falls apart if the DTs dont report in, doesn't it? From there on out it's just a matter of checking the rest of the bunch of classroles and be sure that all of them are legit and thereon out the resistancegroup grows and more powerful it becomes.
If there's too many reporting in for a certain role we're off to a great start I would say. We know that one of the persons in that small group is mafia. That should give us way better odds to work with, since there's only Xamounts of that role, and it also narrows the clues down to fewer persons to check them against. This has to be done within the secure group I guess, so we don't out the real blues. Also, Ace could maybe give them specific tasks to prove their role? What that would be I don't really know. Obviously the too-many-reported-for-a-role-group wouldn't get the primeinfo about the secure group until all of them are in the clear.
Am I theorycrafting about this wrong?
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I knew about that one, what I meant was a more detailed list with google/wiki information regarding quotes/what their name mean/etc. I realize that would be a huge amounts of info to read and sort through and I know I wouldn't take the time to do it, that's why I'm asking  .
Also I know I asked this too early since if someone compiled it they want it to be funneled through the, currently not confirmed, legit mayor who can't die the next day.
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On March 21 2008 04:09 Ace wrote:
I don't think you get it:
If everyone sent me a PM saying their townie - GREAT.
Now when all the blues PM me I know they all match up and are 100% confirmed.
So now I knock 34 names off the suspect list, incorporate them into the network and all suspects are also on the "vanilla townie" list.
A PM that tells me "hi I'm townie" holds a lot of weight.
That assumes no inactivees tho doesnt it? Say for example that mafia takes a chance on a blue role that happens to be inactive, before the 3day rule sets in they could've gotten alot of information. Also, that all people actually pm you... which I doubt will happen just because of lack of interest following this thread thoroughly. The only sure way to have the secure group... secure... is to systematically confirm their roles through various means... no?
Or am I totally misunderstanding something here?
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On March 21 2008 04:23 Falcynn wrote:
Then again the amount of information they could get by getting into this network is probably worth more than one mafia's life so...ok I'm not really sure how to feel about this right now.
Exactly what I want to avoid, losing because of a lucky move by mafia would suck. Ace says he can prevent that however. Can't really figure out how, guess I'll know by the time we have Ace confirmed and pms start flowing.
I just want the secure group to be as secure it can get, with no holes in the path securing it 
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On March 21 2008 04:43 Ace wrote:
first of all, even the people who I think are legit won't know any other persons roles. The only people that would have that list are myself and the Bodyguards.
K, I misinterpreted your "100% confirmed" statement in that case, sounded to me like they were cleared and ready to go or something.
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Why are people waiting for a dt to confirm? Wasn't the whole point that if no dt/bg speak up against Ace's townmanship he's considered legit?
Only thing we're waiting for is for the dts to have ample time to be sure they've done their thing. How long we wait is up to the masses I guess.
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On March 21 2008 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:
about roleblock
That's assuming mafia can't roleblock eachother.. can they?
Nothing in the OP says they can't roleblock other mafias. Would be nice if Chuiu could answer this otherwise the grand plan could've been to roleblock ace for "proof" and therefore get a shitload of info on blues.
Theorycrafting again, I'm pretty sure ace is legit myself, just getting my thoughts out there. I'd wait ~½-1day more before I'd completely trust him.
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not 100% but yeah most probably , I know I'm trusting him by then. Anyway, 3:26 time to sleep.
(I've been f5ing this thread like crazy, nothing to do + forum game = ???)
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Ouch, all was well with greenies in the text... then I scrolled down. :|
Gotta sleep (6am), catching up tomorrow with a fully awake brain.
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K, so, I copy-pasted the day posts into word and started to commentify them (mark a piece of text and then insert->comment) to then try and match each profile to the comments. I didn't finish that tho since when I was done marking the text I had 115 commentboxes. Matching each of the 123 profiles against 115 comments didn't really sound appealing to me. Anyway themes and things that I noticed while I read through the dayposts:
*Stomach or gut is mentioned several times.
*Eddie's the leader type who don't hesitate in his actions. He's also protective of his friends and got good attention to details.
*Sidewinder is a poor fighter, he seems pretty out of control overall regarding his body.
*There's several moments when the victims meet the mafia "face to face" or "met gaze with".
*Two references to being shot with lead.
*Two references to hair, none linked to the same person, might just be coincidence.
*Mr Pink seems very brutal, holding on to the TOP of Mynocks head (the other part had broken off from the shot), even using it as a weapon tangled up in his hair... wtf? Oh, that also means Mr Pink got long hair I guess.
*Mr Blonde seems to be very fast and agile, also comes out of nowhere.
*The Wolf and The Taipan Snake isn't afraid of taking risks, atleast not afraid of jumping from high heights.
*Someone likes smileys, or sick jokes.
*Someone tampers with electronics.
*So far, mafia has always arrived in greater numbers then their victims. Could just be that they anticipated medics?
*Atleast two mafias like to use knifes or a sword. Cottonmouth, whom is skilled and accurate knifeperson seems to not feel any remorse and don't feel particularly unsettled to leave someone bleeding to death in pain. Snake Charmer lashed away at a defenseless target.
*Two times there's a reference to investigate something, probably not relevant.
*Several times is the face/head the primetarget during the fights.
*Two references to people crawling.
*A few times it looks like the victim might be able to flee but is always caught/attacked from nowhere, as if their last hope is taken away.
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I think alot of these are pretty far fetched and links bad but whatever.
11-ieatkids5
in reference to Mr Pinks brutal behaviour?
Randombum/bumatlarge
in reference to the "sickly looking fella"
57-LoStYouRSkiLLS
Quote : Skill is when Luck becomes Habit
Eddie was lucky with his attack.
89-butidigress
Quote : between the click of the light and the start of the dream ...
about the lamp etc.
97-suresh0t
accurate with knifes guy.
98-decafchicken
Quote : how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
in reference to the gut/stomach thing,
109-MidnightGladius
Quote : "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General
in reference to sword/knifes, also in reference to the hope being taken away.
124-Lenwe
Quote : What's up?
in reference to face to face, met gaze with
128-KH1031
electronic themed name?
130-rpf
Quote : "I'm sure God will understand, and if He does not, then He is not God at all." - Balian, Kingdom of Heaven
in reference to the sentence "Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room --"
K, some of these was pretty bad, none really convinced me fully.
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On March 23 2008 02:29 ZBiR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2008 02:15 Lysithea wrote:*Mr Pink seems very brutal, holding on to the TOP of Mynocks head (the other part had broken off from the shot), even using it as a weapon tangled up in his hair... wtf? Oh, that also means Mr Pink got long hair I guess.
Nah, you're wrong. Mr Pink used Mynock's head like a flail, he was holding Mynock's long hair and hitting with his head (which was attached to his hair obv)
yeah, you're right, my imagination got the better of me.
It feels like I'm pretty bad at spotting clues and connections. None really convince me of anything unlike what others has come up with. I'll let people dig some before I cast my vote.
I should say that I won't dispute any clues pointing towards me, cause well.. my quote often match to many different situations combatwise. Trying to prove my innocence in all cases will only lead to more suspicion.. or so I feel about it anyway (thinking about poor l2w last game). I mean, I got the agile smooth moving part in it, I got the right precise moment, I got the fast hurtful hitting part and I also got the experienced part with Ali himself. To save you from a google/wiki search. My name originated from a series I watched, later learned it got something to do with greek history/greek mythology, also a moon of jupiter.
edit: bah I kinda defended myself now anyway.. heh
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