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About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like: mafia 1 mafia 2 mafia 3 bodyguard # Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know. Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent? | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:02 Ace wrote: They can't because all the other Bodyguards that didn't get a PM would know something is wrong. In the event that they do that, it just helps the town because we can just apply all clues and DT/Jack power to that list of suspects and catch the Mafia asap. No fake detective is going to spring forward and state the Mayor is innocent because they run the risk at having a real detective also step forward and once again we are back to place where we have confirmed a situation with at least 1 suspect as Mafia (because someone is lying) and a sure fire Mafia lynching. What I'm saying is that the pm is sent to every real bodyguard. Say there are 3 bodyguards. 3 pms would be sent out: Mafia 1 Mafia 2 Bodyguard 1 Mafia 1 Mafia 2 Bodyguard 2 Mafia 1 Mafia 2 Bodyguard 3 Each bodyguard would then get pms back from Mafia 1 and 2 and thus are "confirmed". And about fake detectives springing forward and stating the mayor is innocent, the townies have no way of knowing who is telling the truth and who isn't. We can't know when a real detective steps forward because he could very well be fake. | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:12 Ace wrote: They'd still be caught. Ok let's look at like this: Scenario 1: There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with a Mafia Mayor who also sends out the PM. We will know how many BGs are there when the elections are over. The Mafia can't leave 2 of the real Bodyguards off the list because the 2 that didn't get a PM would speak up. They can't just add an extra 2 to the PM because any BG getting a PM from the Mayor with 9 names obviously means the Mayor is clearly not thinking straight and is fishy. Scenario 2: There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with an Innocent Mayor who also sends out the PM. The PMs from the Mayor don't match those 2 "fake" PMs. Even better, the names of those 2 fakers never even appear in the Mayor's original PM and they just outted themselves as Mafia for a pathetic chance at confusion. How can the Mafia possibly get away with faking any of it without drawing attention to their members? Ace, I don't see how scenario 1 would happen at all. Unless I don't understand how the game works (which is a definite possibility), this is how I see it using your numbers. What everyone knows: There are 7 bodyguards. Only the mayor knows which 7 people are bodyguards. Now, we assume that the mayor is also mafia, so he can coordinate with other mafia members. Since he knows who each bodyguard is, he will send each of the 7 bodyguards a pm. Each pm will have 7 people in it: 6 mafia and 1 bodyguard. Each bodyguard gets pm'ed back by the mafia members (6 different pm's for each bodyguard) and so they believe there are 7 bodyguards. No bodyguards are left out. Each list sent contains 7 people. Each bodyguard recieves 6 confirmation pm's. | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As I had said earlier, once one bodyguard dies, the other bodyguards would find out that the one that died isn't in their list and would obviously protest. Mayor gets lynched and people get the list of a large portion of the mafia, plus the mayor. So in the case a bodyguard speaks out, we lynch the mayor? Then what happens when the mayor was innocent and he sent all the pm's as he should. Some mafia could speak out and we'd lynch our mayor? | ||
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Detectives stay silent if the Mayor is legit, and speak up if he is Mafia Ah, this fixes everything then. I hadn't thought of that. | ||
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On March 19 2008 10:16 qrs wrote: Much as I hate to admit it, I believe my plan is flawed. As per Kau's post, a Mafia can identify himself as a bodyguard, and all the bodyguards will believe he is telling the truth. The Bodyguard plan is not failsafe after all. Unless someone comes up with something new, we will have to waste some detective power as Ghar has been saying. We would only have to lose one detective. Ace said that if the detectives find the mayor is innocent, then they say nothing. If the mayor is mafia, then the detectives speak out. Now in the case the detectives speak out, we would first have to lynch the detective to see if he's an actual detective or mafia. If he's actual detective then we know the mayor is mafia. If he's mafia then we know the mayor is townie. Hmm... Actually, what happens in the case the mayor is mafia, and a mafia-detective points him out along with real detective. Would we have to lynch both to be sure? | ||
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On March 20 2008 00:53 Pangolin wrote: If he is able to tell us why he is pardoning somebody and the town agrees I don't see why we shouldn't allow him to pardon people, the same as any pardoner. Are we waiting for most people to vote before closing polls or is there some kind of time limit? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=18#348 Have you tried reading this? | ||
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On March 20 2008 09:04 Caller wrote: I have a concern with Ace's plan: suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard. that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. The mayor gets a list of the bodyguards. | ||
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On March 20 2008 13:32 bumatlarge wrote: I was gonna say, if Ace picked a mafia out of the hat like that, I bet he would be mafia. In order to maybe prove his worth, the mafia agreed to lynch one of their own, to give a mafia mayor some lee-way when things don't look so good for townies. That would make no sense because if any of the detectives follow the plan he laid out, he'd be sacrificing himself and another mafia member for one detective? | ||
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On March 20 2008 13:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Can I propose we have a detective check up on our mayor? I think a Blue being lynched out of 129 possibilities is really..unlikely. It's unlikely whether or not he's mafia though. I mean 1 out of 129 isn't that far from 1 out of 110. | ||
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How do we know he isn't lying "again" to save himself? | ||
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