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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 13 2008 05:02 GMT
#8
wow long list of players. well reading it was entertaining so i think ill try my hand in playing, so sign me up please
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 07:00 GMT
#364
I'd like to point out that most likely the people who run for mayor in the first few hours after the day post may have a smaller chance of being mafia because if the mafia were to want one of theirs as mayor(or pardoner?) they'd take the time to get in contact with one another and figure out whom they want to run, and that would take a bit of time, or at least i think it would. that's just what i think may be the case IF mafia even want to run for mayor and assuming they work collectively to do that.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 08:41 GMT
#427
On March 18 2008 17:33 araav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2008 17:27 Ghar wrote:
I have a plan to find fake detectives. Using up their 2 investigates is not a problem if you can be sure the mayor and the detectives are the real deal.


Ghar, for me--

Taipan Snake is an Australian snake, and you are from Australia, so there is a chance you are mafia!

+ Show Spoiler +

1/9th chance, but still...

[ara@alx64dev tls2]$ grep Australia users.details | wc -l
9



Also...
"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time" is Ghars quote; dapperdan was surrounded, or at least seemed to be, as he tried to make his escape. And of course, taipan snake is from australia. i haven't found any direct link of the word ghar and it's various meanings to any of that though, but anything that raises suspicous means it's probably best to stray away from that person as mayor. mafia or not, caution will weed out the incompetent mayors as well as the mafia.

@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 09:00 GMT
#431
i voted for araav
ive looked through every profile, not extensively but enough to analyze them somewhat and put somethings in perspective for myself regarding who fits where. araav hasn't, in what i've looked at and read, shown reason to be suspected and has so far shown enough intiative and work to be a good mayor -- or at least one who won't fuck us over. also listing the info in one post is helpful for the town for quick references instead of going through every profile(as i did><), and i don't think any mafia would put effort into really helping out the town, even if their running for mayor.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 09:28 GMT
#438
On March 18 2008 18:12 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
So far, the one who seems to be willing to help out the most in my eyes is Ace. He's posting good arguments and points for the upcoming game. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and label him as non-scum for now.

As for the last two people who posted helping to campaign for araav.......hmmm.....very interesting when araav seems to be campaigning for himself just fine and you two come out of the blue to back him. I won't point fingers yet but I'll keep an eye on you two.


my vote for him was after having gone through all the profiles etc.(as i stated previously), and going through the candidates for mayor that are running so far, i was simply giving my reason for voting for him, not helping campaign for him.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 09:32 GMT
#439
On March 18 2008 18:27 Evilmonkey. wrote:
I was tickled when I saw that I had two pms, one being from Randombum. If he took the time to present his case to everyone, then he has the time to be a good mayor. He looks to have my vote.


the problem with that is it was rather inefficient to send pms like that to everyone, and it wasn't a personal request; the time it took to send out the same pm to everyone seems to be the main reason people are even considering to vote for him, and that is a rather silly way to vote for the mayor. it would have been much simpler had he just announced his running for mayor in the thread, which points to him not being the best person for mayor. it's not only about who might be mafia, it's about who is best for the job.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 09:55:06
March 18 2008 09:53 GMT
#444
it will be interesting to see who will run for mayor later in the day when more people come online and post. my vote for araav is not concrete set in stone, as i am still looking for better candidates to vote for given the proper justification and reasoning, but as of now he is the best in my opinion. Ghar, although he has given good ideas and stratedgies, still has my hackles raised in suspicion over some of the clues pointing at him. i'm not saying he IS mafia, but i would rather be cautious and not vote for him then vote for him and have everything go to hell.

edit to add in after reading your new post ace: i don't know if people are seriously voting based on his knowledge of c++ or whatever, but i know part of my voting for him is his intiative to list all of it in one easy to find post; it makes looking for quotes and things to relate to clues easier, and that benefits the town.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 10:17 GMT
#446
have you looked through all the profiles? i have. it takes forever, there's over 100 people's profiles to look at, so having a siglist makes it much simpler and faster then clicking on every link. it's not sufficient reason to be made mayor, but it does benefit the town for those of us who take the clues and run through the list and try to make connections, and he took the intiative to do that which most mafia i don't think would.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 10:43 GMT
#449
i can't help but think that wasn't the best idea on your part too say you are a detective. either you aren't and are just a towny trying to get mayor by using a important role as leverage, or you are a mafia member trying to get votes for the same reason. if you really are a detective though, then you just put yourself into a risky situation as the mafia now have a target to go for.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 11:02 GMT
#452
it would be very helpful having a detective mayor -- or pardoner. i think more votes need to be cast before we can discern really where to go with what empyrean revealed. it's almost going to force the town to vote for him on the chance he really is a detective, as losing a detective so early would be a big hurt on us. im thinking it may be better for him to be pardoner just because he made a bit of a rash decision to reveal his role, and may not be best suitted as a mayor, not that a pardoner is a unimportant role, but it would be better to have the best possible candidate we can vote on for mayor then someone forcing our hand because he revealed his role.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 11:41 GMT
#456
I think i'll post up some of my suspicions/connections...

For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.

"He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead." - not much to go on but it semi-relates to suresh0t's name as sure shot may refer to being of good aim and 'back full of lead' relates to a gun, so gun and shooting = sureshot. not much... but something to take note of.

Mr. Blonde - "Coming out of nowhere it seemed." - maybe connection to G.s)Naruto, which naruto is an anime character who has blondehair(i think, unfornatunly i cant remember exactly?lol), and is a ninja, which ninja's are known to be stealthy which fits into 'coming out of nowhere' meaning wasn't expected. not much else really just that connection. also Ninja4ever may have some connection, but his quote iirc doesn't really fit much.

Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.

Enigma - "An enigma is a puzzle, something mysterious or inexplicable, or a riddle or difficult problem." Siefu's quote is 'He walks among us, but he is not one of us' which may connect to someone mysterious, and the sentence sounds something of a riddle.

Mr. Pink - "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" - BlindAblino may relate to this because blind people are cautious; but there isn't much else to go on though, perhaps albino can be connected with pink.

Anyway that's what i have for now, i have other theories and connections but their more minor then these and will require further analysis before i can even consider making more then a small note on them. Again i'm not saying any of these people are mafia, i'm just pointing out what i found relating clues to them and perhaps other people will make similar connections.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 11:50 GMT
#458
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2008 20:19 Caller wrote:
"The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head."

The Taipan Snake is from Australia. Who here is an Australian? As for the Wolf, it could be anything, but could it perhaps be a reference to a fairy tale, like Red Riding Hood or Peter and the Wolf?

"Solemn but seeing a promising future"

No idea what this means.

"Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner"

I'd presume it's somebody that's a leader at TL.

"Chuiu's stomach sunk, he couldn't follow these blood thirsty mongrels and there was no way he could get out of this alive"
Maybe Ieatkids? No idea, but I'd presume it involves something with either blood or dogs.

"Mr. Blue got in the last word"
LastRomantic maybe? Or is that a bit obvious?

The King Brown Snake, fyi, is the 2nd deadliest snake after the Taipan in Australia. Maybe we have 2 Australian Mafiaso?


I'm thinking that perhaps the taipan snake is meant to throw us off and think it is in connection to australia, where it may be a connection to china? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai-Pan

The King Brown Snake though probably still relates to australia is my guess.

BloodyC0bbler may be connected with "Chuiu's stomach sunk, he couldn't follow these blood thirsty mongrels and there was no way he could get out of this alive" but that's a bit too simple of a connection... and his quote doesn't really fit in with it i think, 'Sweet Water and Light Laughter'
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 12:12 GMT
#461
On March 18 2008 21:06 Ghar wrote:
For all the people that think clues lead to me. Lynch me if you will, I've provided my parts of my strategy, a competent mayor can pick it up from there. Though I don't know why people are so analytical when it comes to interpreting clues in relation to me. But when it comes to someone else it's like, "araav can program in C++, works for me."

If I get mayor, you will have direct confirmation whether I'm mafia or not. As for the rest, they're not offering any plan of action to prove themselves.


I'm not saying you are mafia, i've just gone through the clues and profiles and ive made certain connections, and you happen to have been one of those connections. you've had good ideas for the town which gives you credit, im just not happy with the idea of voting for someone that i've found clues relating too. it's to early in the game to say 'so and so is mafia' but its best to take into account certain connections to base voting off of. If anything empryean will most likely get quite a few of the votes now because him saying he's detective, the fear of losing a detective may cause people to vote for him. araav is a good candidate, maybe not the best, but as of now he seems to be what the town needs; and that may change as well. Your ideas though will defintly provide the town with direction when we do elect a mayor.

sorry for posting so much so early in the game, i have sleeping problems so im usually up until mid-morning with nothing to do.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 20:19 GMT
#612
On March 19 2008 05:13 nemY wrote:
If you're a townie pm me and let's discuss the game in secret haha


i think that's not the best of ideas, it's better to openly discuss in the thread so everyone can read ideas and get different perspectives on situations. keeping things hidden and in private leads too less organization which is what the last town lacked...
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 20:21 GMT
#613
On March 19 2008 05:13 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
oh god, i was so sure i would be pointed out as Mr.Pink.
i don't think clues are that easy to find
PS: i had the same thing about SoMuchBetter
im suspecting Ghar and SoMuchBetter atm


actually i noted your name while going through the list of profiles and clues, but basing suspicion off of just having 'pink' in your name isn't much to go on...

here's some of the clues/connections i came up with earlier in the thread:

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2008 20:41 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
I think i'll post up some of my suspicions/connections...

For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.

"He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead." - not much to go on but it semi-relates to suresh0t's name as sure shot may refer to being of good aim and 'back full of lead' relates to a gun, so gun and shooting = sureshot. not much... but something to take note of.

Mr. Blonde - "Coming out of nowhere it seemed." - maybe connection to G.s)Naruto, which naruto is an anime character who has blondehair(i think, unfornatunly i cant remember exactly?lol), and is a ninja, which ninja's are known to be stealthy which fits into 'coming out of nowhere' meaning wasn't expected. not much else really just that connection. also Ninja4ever may have some connection, but his quote iirc doesn't really fit much.

Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.

Enigma - "An enigma is a puzzle, something mysterious or inexplicable, or a riddle or difficult problem." Siefu's quote is 'He walks among us, but he is not one of us' which may connect to someone mysterious, and the sentence sounds something of a riddle.

Mr. Pink - "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" - BlindAblino may relate to this because blind people are cautious; but there isn't much else to go on though, perhaps albino can be connected with pink.

Anyway that's what i have for now, i have other theories and connections but their more minor then these and will require further analysis before i can even consider making more then a small note on them. Again i'm not saying any of these people are mafia, i'm just pointing out what i found relating clues to them and perhaps other people will make similar connections.

@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 20:26 GMT
#616
i think everyone that's voted for empyrean needs to reconsider that vote. there is a chance of him being a detective, but there is also a chance he's just a towny and a chance of being mafia. we can't know for sure, and if anything his move to reveal himself is not a smart move, and why would we want our mayor to be someone who will make rash decisions? yes if he turns out to be a detective he'll be targetted, but it will have been his fault for revealing himself publicly.

So far Ace and Ghar have been really productive with creating plans for the town to get organized -- which we need. I'm thinking of changing my vote for Ace, because i don't think it's the best decision to vote for Ghar if there is any hint of a clue pointing at him, Regardless of how small that clue is, or how little it may be, it's better to aim at a mayor whose both productive and has no one suspecting them, which in this case, is Ace
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 20:31 GMT
#621
On March 19 2008 05:28 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 05:24 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 19 2008 05:21 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
On March 19 2008 05:13 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
oh god, i was so sure i would be pointed out as Mr.Pink.
i don't think clues are that easy to find
PS: i had the same thing about SoMuchBetter
im suspecting Ghar and SoMuchBetter atm


actually i noted your name while going through the list of profiles and clues, but basing suspicion off of just having 'pink' in your name isn't much to go on...

here's some of the clues/connections i came up with earlier in the thread:

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 18 2008 20:41 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
I think i'll post up some of my suspicions/connections...

For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.

"He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead." - not much to go on but it semi-relates to suresh0t's name as sure shot may refer to being of good aim and 'back full of lead' relates to a gun, so gun and shooting = sureshot. not much... but something to take note of.

Mr. Blonde - "Coming out of nowhere it seemed." - maybe connection to G.s)Naruto, which naruto is an anime character who has blondehair(i think, unfornatunly i cant remember exactly?lol), and is a ninja, which ninja's are known to be stealthy which fits into 'coming out of nowhere' meaning wasn't expected. not much else really just that connection. also Ninja4ever may have some connection, but his quote iirc doesn't really fit much.

Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.

Enigma - "An enigma is a puzzle, something mysterious or inexplicable, or a riddle or difficult problem." Siefu's quote is 'He walks among us, but he is not one of us' which may connect to someone mysterious, and the sentence sounds something of a riddle.

Mr. Pink - "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" - BlindAblino may relate to this because blind people are cautious; but there isn't much else to go on though, perhaps albino can be connected with pink.

Anyway that's what i have for now, i have other theories and connections but their more minor then these and will require further analysis before i can even consider making more then a small note on them. Again i'm not saying any of these people are mafia, i'm just pointing out what i found relating clues to them and perhaps other people will make similar connections.



Your "Wolf" clue interpretation is pretty good I think


yup i think its the best u have found, and i also like the one about zeks

PS: its Ablino not Albino <3 (Mr.Pink)


It's Albino, i'm just stupid and made a typo error.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 21:41 GMT
#635
On March 19 2008 06:29 Queasy wrote:
My Clue Analysis:

Show nested quote +
Grabbing Sidewinders arm, he flung him towards the group ahead of him. Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black.


Maybe Useless? Useless is also from the US, same as the Sidewinder snake.

Show nested quote +
He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again.


Kind of silly and a stretch, but omfghi2u2? Thought he doesn't seem to be from Australia...

That's all I got for now.




I think that's a bit vague to go off of for useless, but again it's something to note for future reference. For that quote; "Grabbing Sidewinders arm, he flung him towards the group ahead of him. Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black" i just briefly connected that to LostYourSkills, only because lost your skills may mean losing you're balance -> knocking over people on your side(which is what sidewinder did). again, vague clue, but just something to file away for later.

omfghi2u2 is a bit of a stretch too, as would be saying G.s)Naruto's quote of 'hi' (i forgot exactly what it is), since that seems it may be a bit too obvious.

agian i'd like to note i'm not saying anyone is mafia, im just making connections for later reference and something for the town to discuss on, and eventually for detectives to make collective decisions about on regarding what questions to ask.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 22:01 GMT
#659
we don't want a mafia mayor, because if you do anything that points to being mafia we'll have to lynch you, and lose the benefits of having a mayor. it was not the best idea to say you're detective, as people mentioned, your word alone isn't sufficient enough for us to believe you, and in revealing your role makes you seem a bit selfish in terms of wanting to be assured protection, which isn't a good quality for the mayor.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 22:11 GMT
#676
i think it may be best if empyrean is made pardoner rather than mayor. that way if he IS mafia, then we don't lose the mayor role, though the pardoner is important i'd rather lose that role than the mayor. and then there's the protection of being pardoner as a DT too, which if he is a detective and not mafia the town will benefit. the mayor role should go to someone like Ace whose capable of being productive to the town and provides plans or the town to get organized, and the added bonus of having a detective pardoner to turn too as well.
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