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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-15 16:12:55
December 07 2007 17:56 GMT
#1
Starcraft TiVo: Week 12
by thedeadhaji
TeamLiquid: Final Edits


I sense that I am becoming increasingly picky about which games deserve to be on this list. Survivor, OSC, and even OSL were all disappointing. The OSL games may have been exciting live, but as vods they simply cannot stand up to the scrutiny.

I watched Savior vs Bisu over 10 times, trying desperately to convince myself that they were somehow good games. Unfortunately, they weren't. If you want to read (ie be spoiled) about what happened and my take on it, you can read it here

So as usual, the best games of the week happened in Proleague (along with 60 boring as hell games as well). The center expansions on Bakemagoji were used for the first time in Tester vs Hero, Boxer and Free scrambled around in a messy but entertaining matchup, and we saw the best ZvZ game in a long time from Odin and Hyuk.

Oh, and the Estro vs Hanbit team game was hilarious.



Shinhan Proleague: Week 9
1v1

2007 - 12 - 01 eStro vs WeMade game 2 - Tester vs Hero on Baekmagoji
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2007 - 12 - 02 Ace vs Hanbit game 4 - Boxer vs Free on Monty Hall SE
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2007 - 12 - 03 Lecaf vs MBC game 1 - Hiya vs Bisu on Ungoro Crater
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2007 - 12 - 04 CJ vs KTF game 4 - Xellos vs 815 on Blue Storm
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2007 - 12 - 04 CJ vs KTF Ace Match - Much vs Haran on Katrina
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2007 - 12 - 04 Samsung vs SKT1 game 1 - Odin vs Hyuk on Python
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2007 - 12 - 04 Samsung vs SKT1 Ace Match - Stork vs iloveoov on Baekmagoji
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2v2

2007 - 12 - 01 eStro vs WeMade game 3 - Cool/Sangho vs Ho/Hoony on Hwangsanbul
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2007 - 12 - 03 OGN vs STX game 3 - Flower/Bifrost vs Calm/Soo on Hwangsanbul
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2007 - 12 - 05 eStro vs Hanbit game 3 - Cool/Sangho vs Max/Piano
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GOM TV MSL S4 Survivor Tournament

Group A

2007 - 11 - 29 GOM TV MSL S4 Survivor Group A game 3 - Anytime vs GoRush on Blue Storm
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Group B
None

Group C

2007 - 12 - 01 GOM TV MSL S4 Survivor Group C game 5 - Firebathero vs Pusan on Python
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Ever OSL: Week 8 (ro8 Week 2)

2007 - 11 - 30 EVER OSL ro8 week 2 - Upmagic vs Hwasin game 3 on Katrina
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2007 - 11 - 30 EVER OSL ro8 week 2 - Bisu vs Savior game 2 on Katrina
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2007 - 11 - 30 EVER OSL ro8 week 2 - Bisu vs Savior game 3 on Fantasy II
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Ongamenet Star Challenge 2007 Season 2: Group F

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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 18:01:57
December 07 2007 18:00 GMT
#2
If you wish to argue that Bisu vs Savior should be higher, please go watch the 500 odd games that have been played thus far this season, then make your case.

Even comparing them to the other games this week, it should be clear that they are simply inferior in entertainment value.

Impulsively responding with "What this is nonsense aoiehfal;skdjfowier" without the proper due diligence isn't going to make a very good case.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
December 07 2007 18:09 GMT
#3
Xellos played 815 on BS.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 18:14:49
December 07 2007 18:13 GMT
#4
I'm retarded TT

thanks kizz
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 18:42:51
December 07 2007 18:17 GMT
#5
Edit again: the tlpd vod for Tester vs. Hero isn't working for me.
+ Show Spoiler [eStro vs. WeMade game 2 - Tester vs. H…] +

+ Show Spoiler [CJ vs. KTF game 4 - Xellos vs. 815] +

+ Show Spoiler [CJ vs. KTF game 5 - Much vs. Haran] +

+ Show Spoiler [Samsung vs. SKT game 1 - Odin vs. Hyuk] +

+ Show Spoiler [Samsung vs. SKT game 5 - Stork vs ilov…] +


+ Show Spoiler [eStro vs. Hanbit 2v2] +


+ Show Spoiler [Survivor Group A game 3 - Anytime vs.…] +

+ Show Spoiler [Survivor Group C game 5 - Firebathero…] +


+ Show Spoiler [OSL ro8 week 2 - Upmagic vs. Hwasin ga…] +

+ Show Spoiler [OSL ro8 week 2 - Bisu vs. Savior game 2] +

+ Show Spoiler [OSL ro8 week 2 - Bisu vs. Savior game 3] +


Edit: I hope I didn't copy the wrong link into one of those...
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 07 2007 18:32 GMT
#6
lol I forgot to watch Survivor Group C.

Added 1 game from it, FBH vs Pusan.

Thanks Pyrthas~~
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 18:39:28
December 07 2007 18:38 GMT
#7
uhm... hero vs tester not working on TLPD?

and thanks tons for this, bored at work so going to start watching :D
hope you'll never get bored of making these!
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
December 07 2007 18:46 GMT
#8
On December 08 2007 03:38 PePe QuiCoSE wrote:
hero vs tester not working on TLPD?
Yeah, something seems to be broken there. But BaeZZi has it up on youtube; it's embedded in my previous post. (Also added FBH vs. Pusan because haji is obviously an inattentive slacker that managed to miss some of the games last week.)
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
December 07 2007 20:28 GMT
#9
Thanks again Haji, greatly appreciated.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
December 07 2007 20:49 GMT
#10
Great job as usual.

I'd ask how you have time to watch every single game, but I am kind of wondering the same thing about myself.
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yakii *
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)1448 Posts
December 07 2007 22:01 GMT
#11
Thank you thedeadhaji & Pyrthas TiVo is always a good guide for me.
사마난
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 07 2007 22:19 GMT
#12
mmm i kinda feel pusan vs anytime (mbc vs lecaf s2 or s5) deserves to be there, top tier pvp at its best - atleast i think its better than the puasn fbh game
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defenestrate
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
December 07 2007 22:23 GMT
#13
On December 08 2007 03:00 thedeadhaji wrote:
If you wish to argue that Bisu vs Savior should be higher, please go watch the 500 odd games that have been played thus far this season, then make your case.

Even comparing them to the other games this week, it should be clear that they are simply inferior in entertainment value.

Impulsively responding with "What this is nonsense aoiehfal;skdjfowier" without the proper due diligence isn't going to make a very good case.


haji, I can accept that you did not find the Bisu vs Savior games as exciting as some of the others that took place during that week. + Show Spoiler +
What I can't understand is how you can rank the third game - a solid one-sided harass into macro-rape - higher than the intense, pitched battles of the second game. Maybe it's less impressive with a better understanding of game mechanics than mine, but it really seemed like Bisu was going down once his nat nexus was destroyed, and his comeback was very dramatic.
We believe that we invent symbols. The truth is that they invent us; we are their creatures, shaped by their hard, defining edges.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-07 22:24:12
December 07 2007 22:23 GMT
#14
>plexa

Yea I think I threw out a lot of games I could have given 3/5 to b/c I was getting so damn sick of standard decent/solid but unspectacular games and it's always a pain in the ass deciding what is borderline acceptable or not.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 07 2007 23:28 GMT
#15
Baezzi: what are those red and blue bars showing before the game? ( @ 0:18 and @ 0:54) It seems that red one is for a win and blue is for a loss against a specific player. But why do they have different number of bars for each win and loss?

i'm not baezzi but oh well.
those bars represent the current play-skill of the players that a particular player has won or lost against
for example bisu would be like 4bars. when like KTF_yellow wud be like 1 or 2.


Is this actually what the bars mean?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
December 07 2007 23:43 GMT
#16
I havent the slightest idea Oo

yakii?
Dark_Luster
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)438 Posts
December 07 2007 23:47 GMT
#17
wheres BySun vs daezang? was it not a good game?
#1 Horangee fan
yakii *
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)1448 Posts
December 08 2007 01:37 GMT
#18
That bars are related with wp rank. I'll make a thread if there's no thread about it.
사마난
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
December 08 2007 02:01 GMT
#19
On December 08 2007 08:47 Dark_Luster wrote:
was it not a good game?
Correct, it was not.
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
December 08 2007 07:29 GMT
#20
hajiiiiiiii I'm still on Week 7 T_T slow down!!!
Do your best, God will do the rest.
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