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On April 20 2016 18:51 Fecalfeast wrote: I think it's weird for everyone to have so many reads so early in the game, to be honest. It's tempting to townread everyone who's doing things right away but really anyone could give an opinion on everyone that's posted with sofew posts actually saying anything. Basically a long winded way of saying IDK maybe town? 5 btw Well. With limited posts people push out reads harder because they want other people to react on them and confirm their suspicion, or just pressure people with the reads, or further the game and spark discussion. It's a good thing. Also hard reading people town forces mafia to do shit because they might feel antsy if it is true. tldr: I also wont lynch TT before I have at least 1 good reason to townread everybody else. That post was really good and set the bar high for everybody to follow. I also townread Damdred for starting the game. I dislike both LS and Shape. Doesn't mean they are mafia but their entrance was weak. But town can enter weak if they pick it up. Shape ending his 5 fluff posts with a pretty unimportant question and then fucking off for x hours is bad. LS is trying but not making waves. I have issues with this post: On April 20 2016 10:44 Fecalfeast wrote: Aw shit I agree with sicklucker I must be broken Sounds townie but could so easily be made by mafia. Just like most post you make are pure reactionary and controlling. I don't remember you as somebody who is controlling the thread. | ||
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I have issues with almost all his posts. Sicklucker his vote on LS was 100% trashtier reasoning and the comment from FF on it seems too much like buddying. Townie should be grilling sicklucker his bad play or just add something decent on how LS is approaching this game. The lazy +1 on a in my opinion really useless vote on LS by sl just looks fucking horrible; Also TT could be town for sure. But again. True statement that seems like a townie that is paying attention and that seems correct. But the way FF is making posts is not to make a difference or push his opinion. It's all a bit too calculated, too prudent and I don't like it for a bit. | ||
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I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways" I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning. So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF. I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation. | ||
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Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO. To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that. Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it. Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well". Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere. It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute. | ||
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To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that. Why could he be mafia at that moment in time? | ||
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But I don't understand why. 1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF. | ||
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On April 21 2016 04:30 gumshoe wrote: at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention /  Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so. That is not the point............................................. The point is why is a townie sparked to write 5 entire lines on something that is nothing at all???? So HtS just wrote this much: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa To conclude that FF might be scum, or might not be scum. What went on in HTS her head to make that a prior topic to talk about and solve the game around? The only reason a townie would feel to need to write all that is to say "Koshi back off, I think ff is most likely town" but that was not it. It was "Koshi back off I think fefe is completely null". Why would you do that 2 pages into the game? I don't understand. Why not just wait and see what happens? And the entire way how she did it was so odd. | ||
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On April 21 2016 05:31 Damdred wrote: My phone bit the dust so I'm using farahs phone until I can go to the store and get one tommorow. But thankfully I'll still make all deadlines. TT lynch list is pretty bad it's pretty Mich every low hanging fruit in the game at this juncture. Is scum inside it I'm not sure at this point. But it bothers me a small bit. Koshis also is becoming more towny as he posts more. I would probably lynch any one who wants to kill him or throw suspicion on him. His push on ff wasn't bad and actually seemed logically founded. His push on hts is 100% better. HTS is the most likely scum in the thread atm, tells koshi that if he's town but continuously talks to him like he's town and doesn't seem really to consider he's scum. And to a small degree back tracks everywhere while over explaining every little detail. It just reeks to me. I think I'm wrong on ls and he can be town and shouldn't be lynched today. TT I am torn on, his tone sounds towny and his approach is ok. But his lynch list is so bad and he ignores or downplays things. My gut says just activity wise he has to be town from how he's played his last few scum games. Yeah kinda think hts is best lynch, which isn't a bad thing. I think,she's leaving her options open on ff incase a wagon builds and she can just jump on super noncommittal one that I think,about it to. I like an hts lynch more and more Yes. This is what I am talking about. HtS is not solving the game. Just hedging. And even though a townie hts could say all the things she did as town. It wasn't the time to say those things at that point in the game. I am not certain on hts atm. But like I said. I would vote her over most others atm | ||
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Also a really good lynch. | ||
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On April 21 2016 05:50 Fecalfeast wrote: are we still mad at me koshi? What do you think of LS? Have you done the reading, Fiddy? I forgot why I would be mad at you so no. LS is ok for now. 3 good posts. No fluff. Seems honest. Pushes game forward. All based on his train of thought. On April 20 2016 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: I did noticed but if FF doesn't post more chances are he's scum because I seen his lazy scum game before mind you it was a while ago hedecied he would rather play fall out 4 than playing scum. Also sl I just can't read him properly so I letting other people do it for me due to me misreading him hard when's town because I normally think he's scum nowadays >.< On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote: I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here. On April 21 2016 01:05 LightningStrike wrote: BTW Tumblewood is most likely town he done similar things in Storm and the latest Newbie game and got scumread for it in those games too. Why would we kill this guy? | ||
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So. Any reason why he is town? | ||
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I think it is important that low volume posters start contributing a lot now. Just give us your thoughts. Just don't fake reads, if you have none just say that and try to add new stuff to the thread. But just try to make a couple posts explaining where you are in the game right now. PS: I am not completely off hts right now. But that was maybe a really good posts. | ||
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##vote LightningStrike I think that post by Fidei was really good. It kinda instant townread him for that. On April 21 2016 06:54 Fidei86 wrote: [7/40] So I read the entire thread and genuinely, almost nothing stuck out to me (other than the things I commented on as I was going through.) Yes, I know, that's super unhelpful and super scummy. I might take a quick break and then re-read it. Since Koshi asked, I thought I'd take a look at gumshoe's filter to try and get myself going. The whole vote-retract on Damdred was bizarre. Damdred's posts were obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Damdred and HTS know each other, and they shit talk each other early on. But to make a case and then retract it when it receives the most cursory of push-back FROM DAMDRED suggests he just didn't believe it at all. His point on HTS was basically "she writes clearly" -- she always does that. His point on LS was confusing (scum don't try and get better in their games?). And his last two posts actually say nothing of substance, and seem to be written only with a view towards revving up Koshi. I could vote gumshoe at this stage. I'm getting the scum-feels from TT as well. And I am very suspicious of LS for actually playing the game (I've played with this man as town a number of times, and I've seen more thought put into his last few posts than I've seen pretty much before that point). I don't want to vote HTS this early. My reasoning is that (1) she's a good town player, I'd much rather D1 someone who isn't trying to contribute (2) she's always dispassionate (3) as scum she tends to ask more pointless questions and diverge from the sentiment of the thread. Here, she is making reasonable points that were on point as well. The bolded + the follow up on HTS is incredible good play. Therefore I am extremely disappointed that you did nothing but attack Fidei. On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote: LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum. I haven't been scumreading FF for a while now. And this is a brilliant remark on what you did there LS. So even though I just quoted 3 post which I liked from you LS. When I pressed enter I instantly wondered. Short and to the point scumreads are not how I remember you. So I wonder: Is this LS with TMI making reads? And then the comeback on this post: On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote: LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum. On April 21 2016 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Oh I already found scum FF, and Damdred and you plus Koshi actually shared that same read with me. By assiocation I thought you would fit due to how she was treating you but you seem better now that you are posting. irks me the wrong way. And I think you know you made a hasty post and are trying to shift attention away from you by making this post: On April 21 2016 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Ya it's kinda worrying that sicklucker not posting much but I always think he's scum regardless of his alignment so >.< | ||
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You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do. | ||
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On April 21 2016 07:24 LightningStrike wrote: She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more. The bolded comes over like a story you just made up to narrate my suspicion on you. I can understand why you meta wise still scumread HTS after she made that post, but I don't understand why you don't tell me that HTS could still be mafia after I made it clear I townread her for it. And the fact you made the post about HTS being mafia was triggered by FF saying you discredit a lot of people and are not looking for mafia. And you scumreading HTS still doesn't explain why you used my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. It also feel like you kinda spewed both Damdred and Koshi town by saying. "I had the same read as Koshi and Damdred, so fuck off" Which is not exactly what you said but it felt like that. I am also somewhat puzzled by the fact you are not trying to save your posts. You are just blatantly spamming and I don't think that is very townie of you. You must understand that your posts become more valuable the closer to the deadline. Anyway LS, I will probably follow Damdred his read on you. Please try to keep good track of your posts and don't let me baffle you too much. Also, if you really believe HTS is mafia. Make sure you have good long and solid posts left near deadline on why she is mafia. Because we will need solid posts to lynch her. I just read HTS her posts and she brings up a really good point that I also wanted to bring up but didn't. You close your eyes to the quality of that post. | ||
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##vote DoYouHas reasoning is the read on Shape. I don't understand how that makes anybody scum. I don't understand how town DYH has Shape as his top scumread: On April 21 2016 13:20 DoYouHas wrote: Caught up. I'll filter dive tomorrow to really start sorting people before the deadline. HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances. Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet. I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore. On April 21 2016 13:27 DoYouHas wrote: Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts. Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS. | ||
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