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XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
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Last Edited: 2015-06-29 19:59:27
June 29 2015 19:54 GMT
#155
/in

dont mind being a replacement if Half The Sky wants to play btw
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 01 2015 02:26 GMT
#214
/confirm
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 06 2015 22:08 GMT
#1401
Alright so I'm here now. Quick little summary of what I thought of this game so far.

Confident town reads

Holyflare - The first post of the game he made is the exact same thought I had as I entered the game, I find that pretty hard to fake and seems like a genuine thing that happened to him since it happened to me as well. Occam's razor here.

He also shares my scumread on trfel which I will explain further down.

Ruxxar - Way different posting style from his previous mafia game and isn't leaving giant gaping holes in his logic in ridiculously long-winded bs posts, just seems to be inquiring about information normally and genuinely seems interested in piecing together the puzzle. Hard to fake as a newer player.

Palmar - not much to say here I can just tell he's town. Finding the loophole in geript's logic and posting about him looking for his name are both reasons to townread him but I won't be surprised if i get roasted for this read.

Confident Scum Reads

Trfel - Honestly his posts just don't make any sense if he isn't in contact with somebody. He appears to be putting on a show for laughs and probably thinks he can get away with it in such a large game. If he isn't a mason or part of your knitting circle i'd advise to lynch this guy asap before he posts anything more in his mafia qt about how he is "trolling so hard ex dee"

Even when engaged in a very mild tone he still refuses to co-operate which should be a huge red flag.

*Possible blue role here that is using his claim to play the game for him, I don't know enough about him to make the distinction.

Vivax/Geript - We have a curious case here of a guy that is completely tunneling on some one else who is very emotional, but said emotional person is paying no attention to the constant posting done by the former. My explanation for this is that it is a bussing attempt by vivax (which he loves to do as mafia) and is being poorly reciprocated by geript who should try to make it more realistic but has a hard time getting angry about things that are fake as opposed to actual town members pressuring him. Just a theory for now that might prove useful later.

BONUS BLUE HUNT EDITION

ritoky was on my bluedar prior to the claim, im inclined to believe him.
Kelsier is on BlueWatch, slightly less abrasive posting style and trying to act stupid at points, could also be an attempt by his ego to think he might actually get nightkilled night one in this game and is preserving himself (?) weird playstyle so far
Oatsmaster is always a blue role so naturally he is on the watch list

Rest of my reads are unimportant at this point as there isnt really anything concrete just little notes and stuff
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 07 2015 02:56 GMT
#1685
I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 07 2015 03:14 GMT
#1702
On July 07 2015 12:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 11:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at.


Elaborate?


You would have to explain what you specifically wanted to know. My conclusion is that it's clearly a tug of war here and one side contains a mafia, which I am siding with the side saying trfel is mafia. If he is town it is worth looking at the other side for mafia of course. It's a bit simplistic but I feel it works in this particular situation
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 07 2015 03:26 GMT
#1718
On July 07 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
And I'm asking you to elaborate on why LS is scummy and how that's outweighed by Trfel being scummy.
You can't have both.


it isn't and I surely can, hyperbolic statements aren't going to sway me from my opinion.

as an aside, the last time you told some one to

"Elaborate?" you were scum so not sure what to make of that.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 07 2015 03:51 GMT
#1756
On July 07 2015 12:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 12:26 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
And I'm asking you to elaborate on why LS is scummy and how that's outweighed by Trfel being scummy.
You can't have both.


it isn't and I surely can, hyperbolic statements aren't going to sway me from my opinion.

as an aside, the last time you told some one to

"Elaborate?" you were scum so not sure what to make of that.


Except the point is that you're capitalizing on a fight between two players, which is scummy.

I don't even understand your point on me asking someone to elaborate one time when I was scum.


I don't see how having a fight exempts you from any additional pressure. if that was true fighting with your team in thread would be the ultimate god tier strategy.

the latter was just me doing a quick scan for speech patterns you exhibit, it could also be seen as a potshot to see if you backed off once I started looking at you more closely
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 07 2015 04:00 GMT
#1763
On July 07 2015 12:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 12:51 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:26 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 07 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
And I'm asking you to elaborate on why LS is scummy and how that's outweighed by Trfel being scummy.
You can't have both.


it isn't and I surely can, hyperbolic statements aren't going to sway me from my opinion.

as an aside, the last time you told some one to

"Elaborate?" you were scum so not sure what to make of that.


Except the point is that you're capitalizing on a fight between two players, which is scummy.

I don't even understand your point on me asking someone to elaborate one time when I was scum.


I don't see how having a fight exempts you from any additional pressure. if that was true fighting with your team in thread would be the ultimate god tier strategy.

the latter was just me doing a quick scan for speech patterns you exhibit, it could also be seen as a potshot to see if you backed off once I started looking at you more closely


1) This still reads like an excuse not to pick a side, and it's still scummy.
2) Okay I guess.

Who else is mafia?


i'll live with being scummy then, no reason to make up stances to appease people.

If I knew i'd say something, nothing to hide here.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 04:02 GMT
#3187
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 04:27 GMT
#3194
Additional townreads

Oatsmaster - Going to go ahead and say that it is likely that oatsmaster is town. He is already up to a 10 page filter and I don't remember him ever being able to accomplish anything near that as scum, where he is more reserved usually. I mean his only games on record with double digit filters as mafia are 5+ days so I highly doubt he is mafia here based on that alone.

If that isn't convincing, then looking at the way he is approaching the game should be. I think he has called at least half of the game scum by now and seems very paranoid at the slightest post. Hard to fake as town and you'll see he is much more selective and careful of his scumreads in his scum games. He isn't afraid here to be loud and annoying which ironically gets him mislynched a lot as town so the jury is out on whether that playstyle is beneficial or not...

Harkon - Not as sure on this one given I have nothing to go by but his gameflow is very good. He is looking out for town's best interest and is keeping in mind the parameters of the game for a town win. Knowing what to do in a majority lynch game and getting people on track even if it doesn't align with your reads is + town points. I also cannot find anything suspicious in his filter like a series of events that doesnt make sense or a place he contradicts himself, his voting pattern and posts check out with what he has said this game.

Additional Scum Reads

None at this time.

As an aside, boxerfred's 6 or so anger posts in a row (before the flip even happened) are concerning. Seems super fake given how spaced out they are time wise and dont add anything of value, just very suspicious complaining really.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 04:31 GMT
#3196
On July 08 2015 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.

So whats the difference between wanderer and scum carrying kp, or a scum doing other stuff?

Also we might not even have a tracker?


well the odds of a wanderer going somewhere that was KP'ed is incredibly slim in such a big game.

the question isn't whether we have the role or not, its the opportunity that we had the role.

Its just a very meh cop out lynch that could have been solved as the game went on. lynches are too valuable in large games like this where later in the game scum can actually swing and control them quite easily.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 14:14 GMT
#3376
On July 08 2015 18:30 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 13:31 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 08 2015 13:02 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
I am confused as to why we lynched an easily confirmable role that had already claimed but I digress. I will share additional thoughts shortly.

So whats the difference between wanderer and scum carrying kp, or a scum doing other stuff?

Also we might not even have a tracker?


well the odds of a wanderer going somewhere that was KP'ed is incredibly slim in such a big game.

the question isn't whether we have the role or not, its the opportunity that we had the role.

Its just a very meh cop out lynch that could have been solved as the game went on. lynches are too valuable in large games like this where later in the game scum can actually swing and control them quite easily.

I'm terribly glad you showed all that care about it at the time then.

oh.

awks.


I apologize if it came off as whining, I was more trying to figure out why it happened but when we need such a large number to lynch I can see why in the heat of the deadline that people might just be like eh fuck it. My schedule didn't allow me to post yesterday until late at night but I don't like to use RL as an excuse.

I'm here on and off this morning I'm not that busy this morning at work if anyone has any questions
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 14:22 GMT
#3392
well I've already said what I think so far. A side effect of the lurker lynch is that no real additional information was obtained for the night phase because its just a 20 car pile up in a forest.

Does it make a sound?
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 14:35 GMT
#3407
On July 08 2015 23:23 Breshke wrote:
so EBH all mafia should just lurk D1 and you will never lynch them because you wont get any information. Sounds like a good plan.

talk about something else not how shit a lynch was you weren't around to do anything about


you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 14:52 GMT
#3427
On July 08 2015 23:37 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:35 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:23 Breshke wrote:
so EBH all mafia should just lurk D1 and you will never lynch them because you wont get any information. Sounds like a good plan.

talk about something else not how shit a lynch was you weren't around to do anything about


you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk


Cool. Why's that?


Well to start you want me to divulge new information based on nothing when your entire filter consists of comments on other's work and very few original works (example your post on rsoultin's frustration), If that is a townie trait to you, I feel like you should be doing it yourself, no?

Prior to this I have in my notes that I forget you are even in the game until I read one of your posts which isn't a great sign, looking at your filter in detail you mostly piggyback thoughts and get away with posting limited analysis and asking other's questions, I don't feel like I have a grasp on what you are feeling this game at all. You have a strong scum on scott I see but besides that its like trying to put together a confusing puzzle

I also have this post as being particularly strange

On July 06 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%.


I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed.

It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha


Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz"
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 15:24 GMT
#3440
On July 09 2015 00:01 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:52 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:37 Breshke wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:35 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:23 Breshke wrote:
so EBH all mafia should just lurk D1 and you will never lynch them because you wont get any information. Sounds like a good plan.

talk about something else not how shit a lynch was you weren't around to do anything about


you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk


Cool. Why's that?


Well to start you want me to divulge new information based on nothing when your entire filter consists of comments on other's work and very few original works (example your post on rsoultin's frustration), If that is a townie trait to you, I feel like you should be doing it yourself, no?

Prior to this I have in my notes that I forget you are even in the game until I read one of your posts which isn't a great sign, looking at your filter in detail you mostly piggyback thoughts and get away with posting limited analysis and asking other's questions, I don't feel like I have a grasp on what you are feeling this game at all. You have a strong scum on scott I see but besides that its like trying to put together a confusing puzzle

I also have this post as being particularly strange

On July 06 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%.


I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed.

It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha


Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz"


What new information? You said i was an inconclusive scumlean so there must have been something you didn't like?

Why do i need to be frustrated if i think rsoultin being frustrated makes her town? That isn't how that read works I am not in the same situation as rsoultin nor are we the same person.

Also your main reason for wanting to lynch me being that I havn't done shit is fairly ironic since you have done even less and you also were jsut berating people for lynching someone for lurking which is the same as not doing anything.

If you didn't like that post why not bring it up at the time? No you obviously just went into my filter and tried to find something you could paint as scummy because you havn't actually tried to make a read on me as of yet and are jsut making this stuff up now.

I didn't like geripts read because im not a strong player i don't contribute much so when he read me as like 99 percent town that early it could have been because of only one thing and that is meta. Like i said in the post he had a very good grasp of my meta but very likely had not checked my current games to see if anything had changed. Felt hasty like he was going for a pocket because he has pocketed me before.


If English is not your primary language I'm afraid we can't get anywhere here. the majority of your response makes zero sense to what I just posted.

You realize that you posted that post a full 24 hours before I could first post in this game? Are you playing dumb on purpose? I don't get it.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 15:25 GMT
#3442
Inconclusive means it's a work in progress, not sure why I would be jumping to post incomplete trash. I'm not even calling you a legitimate scum read yet.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 20:14 GMT
#3526
On July 09 2015 05:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 05:06 marvellosity wrote:
srsly, go read both their filters since their claims

and come back to me with a straight face and say milo has done less

i DARE you

I really don't give a shit about activity, I give a shit about what they've said. Ritoky has basically fucked off all game using irl excuses, he claimed to avoid a lynch. I'm really not surprised he hasn't said anything since then.

Milo started a halfassed push on me after the day post and that's really it. Just being active doesn't give you an automatic green card. If shit was that simple then we'd just start lynching people based on post count. I don't believe milo's claim and I don't think anything he's said townie.


If you weren't aware that is actually how things work around here now, big filter = auto town.

And I went back and looked at ritoky with all of this going on and definitely can see him being mafia here. Very monotone boring filters when he is scum, nothing like his town game...
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 20:20 GMT
#3535
very unlikely milo is scum. That's an extremely ballsy wifom play to re-claim a role already claimed recently regardless of the setup. You would have to know that doing so would cause extra confusion and I don't think he would know how to do that as mafia in his 2nd game?

Not to mention there is very limited red flags in his filter, some defensiveness and useless spam but nothing crazy.
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 21:06 GMT
#3580
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.

Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on

kelsier/breshke/obi

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