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TL Mafia LXIX: Carol Of The Bells
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froggynoddy
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All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. Christmas Presents At the beginning of the game, three players will receive christmas presents. Before the end of day 1 they will have to decide to whom they pass those presents. During the following night the recipients of the gifts can choose to open the presents, or pass them on for the next day. One present is from the Mass Murderer. It will kill whoever opens it. One present is from Santa. It will allow the recipient to perform a single role check the next night One present is from Arnold. It will allow the recipient to perform a night kill the next night. Note that passing Christmas presents on does not count as a visit (for tracking purposes) and cannot be roleblocked (as it happens during the day). If the bearer of a present dies, the present is lost. I assume the Mass Murderer/Santa/Arnold Tags are fluff. The present from mass murderer may be in the game but that does not confirm the presence of a mass murderer in the set-up? Does the above also imply that there will definitely be three presents? I realise I am being nit-picky but your first statement is about roles, not presents. Thanks | ||
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froggynoddy
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RNG sounds pretty silly. Though at least it would create some content and stop people from lurking. On the subject of lurking. having not played in a while... when I did play, town usually spent Day 1 arguing on whether to lynch lurkers, I assume this is still the case. I have to go to bed now (work in the morning) but pre-empting this topic lets just cut to the chase and all agree nicely that policy lynching is stupid, however in the absence of a decent slip to go on, lurkers are the best of bad lynch options. | ||
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froggynoddy
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On December 09 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote: Ritoky, HF, Templar are in my town pile. Slam is tentatively town Froggynoddy is in scum pile Bats I thought you weren't goin to make the opening salvo? On December 09 2014 08:23 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is policy lynches are terrible but if it all goes sour you want to policy lynch?? On December 09 2014 08:22 Damdred wrote: -5 town points for this post, going into the bad boy category tonight ##Unvote Templar Story shows awesomeness On December 09 2014 08:30 Damdred wrote: Cause i'm comfortable puttinng hf rit and templar into a pile, slam is slam so i'm not comfortable putting him with my other new town toys yet. Cause he made a pretty bad post that boiled down to, lets agree lynching lurkers is a bad thing but i'd be ok with lynching lurkers. Ok, perhaps I should explain things a little more simply. My statement can be broken down as follows 1. ANY policy (including lurker lynching) is bad because it stops people from scumhunting; 2. Lurking is still a valid criteria to lynch on, however it is just one of many criteria and should be given its appropriate weight; 3. It's DAY1, therefore we are not going to have much evidence/criteria to go on. Furthermore, this is a relatively large game. As such its an easy scum tactic to lurk whilst town lynches someone who is involved in the thread on very poor evidence (again because this is the nature of day 1 lynches), therefore lurking is a decent criteria to justify a lynch at this stage, just not one that warrants a policy. I shall read rest of the thread now... | ||
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froggynoddy
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On another note I don't like lists (apart from Santa's of course). Way too easy to appear town without actually doing anything to benefit town. FOS: Ninja (i.e. defends me without really defending - adds a list - no other content or justification) and possibly Templar (list, does no justify reads, everything posted so far is just description of other people's reads - fluff - or overreaction) Still reading... | ||
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froggynoddy
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That being said I am happy to agree to disagree, as I feel like defending myself further won't be contributing to the thread. Though I disagree with Damdred, he is putting effort into the game so seems pretty townie. As are Vivax and Kosh. Otherwise I don't really understand half the players here, if you are posting one liners with no content or nonsensical posts you are actively hurting town as it makes us impossible to read you which can only be beneficial to scum. Templar really bugs me as (despite the excellent fluff), more than anyone he appears to be contributing without actually contributing. He's literally just writing about other people's reads. He did say he was busy for the first 24 hours so I guess I'll wait to see his contributions in the second half of Day 1. I will now read individual filters but I prob won't be able to do much before tomorrow morning (GMT). | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:37 27ninjabunnies wrote: Also, how jerky is this? I defend his ass saying his post is not alignment indicative. Go through hell for it, and he fucking scum reads me. What is this shit? Also 4 posts? Never should have defended you. You should only regret defending me because you think I am scum, not because you dislike my reaction. I found your play relatively fluffy, appearing to be active when not contributing to town. Just because you are defending me does not make you town. Similarly even though Damdred attacked me I think his play is pretty townie. You should not be looking for jerky play you should be looking for scummy play. Generally I also don't like people defending other sas it stops them from responding. Its also easy for scum to look town by defending town. Re low post count: TBH I am finding this game relatively overwhelming. first game in a while and the only reason I thought I would be able to be active is due to the post restriction... this has not worked or at least people are posting without content which is making is making it more difficult. I have had a look at LS - though again I disagree with most of his reads I feel that he is just being clumsy (like me it seems) rather than scummy. I really don't like Rit's posting. will have anothe rlook at filter by tonight and decide on whether I find it scummy as well as bad/weird. I will also have a closer look at Templar since he has come back, but from what I can see he seems to be contributing so null read. | ||
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froggynoddy
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Early day 1 - (when he is meant to be busy): lots of fluffy no content reads; Mid Day 1 - Comes back with something again that looks constructive but is not (see FF's deconstruction that I would tend to agree with) Late day 1 - no real pressure on him (apart from me kinda and FF kinda) - says a few things of no value - goes away (whilst this is when he was meant to be more active). Now he could be acting disaffected (similarly to myself to be fair) - but I feel like he has managed to put more time in than me yet come up with very little. The only reason I thought Rit looked bad (as per my previous post) was the timing on his LS and FF votes. It felt like he was trying to get a wagon away from NB who seems a pretty strong NB read. So if NB flips scum then I would deffo consider another look at Rit. Other than that I cannot really see anything scummy on him so not worth a day 1 vote (particularly this late into the day). I will vote Templar (as my vote doesn't seem likely to swing things towards or away from NB) as I feel he is my marginally scummier read than NB but will keep an eye on the thread until the deadline. ##Vote: The_Templar | ||
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This makes no sense as either town or scum. If anything I would lean towards bad/pissed off town. I feel like her mafia buddies would help her in QT to defend herself at least a little better. Would anyone be interested in a templar lynch? I realise this is a halfhearted question this late in day 1, but hell I'm here so happy to discuss something. | ||
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On December 12 2014 03:21 LoneMeow wrote: Not a bad list of players to look into. froggynoddy Despite saying he wanted to wait and see there's no new analysis at all - almost like he had already decided he wanted to call The_Templar scum and didn't really care too much about why. I also find the excuses about not voting 27ninjabunnies suspect. Would consider lynching. ObiWanShinobi After making multiple posts about how Xatalos is scum this apathy about the leading wagon does not sit well with me. There's a distinct lack of care about who gets lynched that I get from him. He started the alternate wagon on Xatalos but never made a real case to convince others to join. On watch list. Fecalfeast Still on the list, although I get a slightly townie gut feeling from his posts after lynch. I'm sorry why are you giving reads at night?? Am happy to answer any concerns you may have but during the day please. | ||
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froggynoddy
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I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening. -------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote: Who was masoned with kita? Time to claim. This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3. -------------------------------------------- The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar. -------------------------------------------- Holy slip batman! ##Vote: Tubesock | ||
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re Templar: ... or contributed anything original to finding scum. Again seems like town without actually helping town. | ||
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On December 12 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote: What do you think about Tubesock's recent play concerning me? Apologies for delay (ironically office xmas party last night gone messy) On December 13 2014 01:54 Alakaslam wrote: Frog what are you doing I'm here for next 3 hours. + Show Spoiler + On December 13 2014 06:18 Tubesock wrote: I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail? re bolded - we just took a spanking night 1. If you are town why would you sacrifice yourself to make a point!?! My vote stays (though I like GB's read on HF). | ||
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froggynoddy
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On December 12 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote: What do you think about Tubesock's recent play concerning me? WIFOM | ||
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On December 13 2014 09:55 GlowingBear wrote: Seriously guys. I haven't seen such and inconsistency game from holyflare. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong but explain to me why inconsistency = scum | ||
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On December 13 2014 16:17 Trfel wrote: Ok, a few comments to the people who feel I am a good lynch (which to be honest, is probably everyone, or at least ought to be). First, other than me being a lurker, the only argument is a meta read. Which is based off of a whole one game. A student mafia game, with 13-14 people, where I was shot on Night 1. Meaning, I played for 72 hours in an "easy" game and only had to read ~30 pages the entire time. Then, I jumped into a game with ~26 players, including several veterans and skilled players. And it's already over 100 posts. I'm simply not able to play at the same level I was last game, and yes, that's not ideal. In addition, one thing that my last game taught me is that meta reads have limited use. So at the moment, I don't intend to make any meta reads. That doesn't mean I'm not trying, it just means that I decided that spending hours pouring over previous games for minimal value isn't a good use of time. Again, I realize 100% that I appear to be a very good lynch. But that is just for me being a policy lynch, the meta argument really lacks backing. My request is that people spend the next while looking into other people to lynch, as with this much time in the day I don't believe you should start looking at a policy lynch already. Anyway, I'll be looking at Fecalfeast's filter and the cases made against him again now. If anyone has any (specific) questions they would like me to answer, I should be up for a short while. But I will ignore general questions like "who is scum", as I'll answer that when I can. Its not a good lynch if you are town. Why the F&%K are people willing to die unless you are ATE?? | ||
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