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Team Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets

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Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 08 2014 15:52 GMT
#15
/in, first game
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 10 2014 19:30 GMT
#176
Palmar and I are team magic computer
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 02:01 GMT
#246
/confirm
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 02:45 GMT
#320
On July 11 2014 11:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 11:36 Tehpoofter wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:32 Eden1892 wrote:
On July 11 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
We are town. I will barely be posting for the rest of the game as we have absolutely nothing to hide and thus I will allow ExO to give his reads as they will be 100% genuine and not convoluted because he is town and everything that he posts will 100% be his honest opinion. I was thinking on the ride home how I would word this post if we got VT and it sounded way better and less convoluted, but it is what it is.

ExO, the floor is yours!

confirmed power role

i will sheep you to victory robik lead me

Gets on Banks case for PR hunting...goes on to PR hunt

LAWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL


Need an extra "L" at the end.

Why are you not going to talk?

Cause the point of having vets is to walk juniors through the game. ExO is town...he doesn't have to lie about any of his reads so he can give them without my input and he can just own mafia on his own



On July 08 2014 11:32 kitaman27 wrote:
-Each player within a team is expected to contribute an equal amount. While there may be some elements of coaching involved, seniors may not play a back seat role and juniors should not shy away from posting.


If you are vt, your input will probably be valuable
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 02:53 GMT
#333
On July 11 2014 11:49 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Kenpachi Rule- the basis of it is, the first person who questions/or attacks a VT claim in early game is scum.

Well that's silly. I guess it could be a nice thing to support reads, but not as a 100% scum rule.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 03:25 GMT
#361
On July 11 2014 12:22 OnceKing wrote:
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On July 11 2014 12:07 OnceKing wrote:
so do you have an actual reason for not playing the game robik i must have missed it


Well, right now he's playing more than his teammate is. Are you seriously just going to sit out, robik?
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 03:38 GMT
#379
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 12:15 GMT
#495
On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.

Fun question
What merits casting more than suspicion then
And who is your suspicion cast upon

When there is some more info than in the first few hours of the game.
If I have reason to accuse someone, I'll say it when it happens.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 12:49 GMT
#514
On July 11 2014 21:34 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer


The reasons:

1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value.

2. This post

On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote:
/confirm

Hello guys, it's my second game here.
It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule?

Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.

3. This post

On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote:
/confirm

Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too...

Meh

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh".


1) we were excited to play yes. But not terribly excited to talk about kenpachi rule for 10 pages.

2) this means we won't see robik/exo team for a whole of d1. Meh.

3) fluff = scum?

UNICORNS AND DRAGONS WEEEEEE

Haru, do you have a legitimate counter to Palmar's point other than a few one line answers? I'm interested to see it, because it kind of seems you don't have one, and you're trying to draw attention away from yourself.

Why is the absence of Robik/ExO "Meh" and not bad for town?


Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 17:10 GMT
#738
Okay, sorry I have not been posting. I'm currently at a college visit and I am writing this in the little free time I have. I'll give reads when I get back.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 20:34 GMT
#844
Alright, I'm back. I feel I should justify my past posts to some people before moving on to reads.

On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.

Fun question
What merits casting more than suspicion then
And who is your suspicion cast upon

So, my initial response was
"When there is some more info than in the first few hours of the game.
If I have reason to accuse someone, I'll say it when it happens."

Which, as bunnies pointed out, was a crap answer. So I'm going to address the question.

1. I did not have any scum reads strong enough to post in the thread at that point. I'm not going to just make up some bullshit scum read because nothing beneficial could come from that.

2. Why would I say what warrants casting more than suspicion? The mafia will simply read it, and make sure that I don't scumread them. I'm not going to give away my scumhunting tactics to the mafia because, frankly, I'm not dumb.

I hope that explains why I dodged the question.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 20:39 GMT
#848
On July 12 2014 05:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 05:34 Stratiform wrote:
Alright, I'm back. I feel I should justify my past posts to some people before moving on to reads.

On July 11 2014 14:31 OnceKing wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:38 Stratiform wrote:
On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before.

Do you play here on TL often?

How familiar are you with the game mafia?

What is your take on the game so far?

I've never played on TL, only irl and some facebook based games. I'm familiar with how mafia works.

As for the game so far, I don't really see any information to cast more than suspicion on anyone.

Fun question
What merits casting more than suspicion then
And who is your suspicion cast upon

So, my initial response was
"When there is some more info than in the first few hours of the game.
If I have reason to accuse someone, I'll say it when it happens."

Which, as bunnies pointed out, was a crap answer. So I'm going to address the question.

1. I did not have any scum reads strong enough to post in the thread at that point. I'm not going to just make up some bullshit scum read because nothing beneficial could come from that.

2. Why would I say what warrants casting more than suspicion? The mafia will simply read it, and make sure that I don't scumread them. I'm not going to give away my scumhunting tactics to the mafia because, frankly, I'm not dumb.

I hope that explains why I dodged the question.

Why did you feel like you had to justify your post?

Well, OnceKing asked the question and was obviously not satisfied with my answer. Once someone else said the post was shit, I felt I should justify why I said it.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 20:40 GMT
#849
Also yeah, sorry about the lack of presence. It seems a lot of you either missed my away post or don't really care about it.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 20:50 GMT
#850
Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia.

On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer

I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective.

Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment.

Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 21:14 GMT
#852
Not really. I posted my thoughts, not the very first thing that came to mind.

And also, that's a great second post, CR. Do you have anything else to say about the game so far?
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 21:36 GMT
#866
On July 12 2014 06:24 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 06:14 Stratiform wrote:
Not really. I posted my thoughts, not the very first thing that came to mind.

And also, that's a great second post, CR. Do you have anything else to say about the game so far?


Ok, so those are your thoughts on the game

Firstly, you gave a townread on rayn for sheeping a vote without giving reasoning. Why didn't you give the same read to the other people that did the same thing, like OnceKing? Is OnceKing not worth pocketing?

Your null read on Haru. You basically said Haru did X, which isn't alignment indicative. Why did you feel the need to post it?

You townread ExO for making a long post. Pretty weak reason to townread someone, especially since you disagree with his post. And since you disagree with his post, why haven't you even posted why you disagree with it?

Your last read says that Robik isn't necessarily scummy. Again, what's the point of this?

I disagree particularly with ExO's read on my team. I included Robik to show that I think both members of their team are town.

I don't see OnceKing voting for team WeDemandALawyer in the voting thread. In fact, I only see Palmar and Rayn, so I mentioned Rayn.

I mentioned Haru because there was sort of a back and forth between rayn and haru. Tbh I initially put him in there because I townread him but then I realized I didn't really have enough info to confirm it.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 11 2014 22:49 GMT
#894
On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 06:36 Stratiform wrote:
On July 12 2014 06:24 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 12 2014 06:14 Stratiform wrote:
Not really. I posted my thoughts, not the very first thing that came to mind.

And also, that's a great second post, CR. Do you have anything else to say about the game so far?


Ok, so those are your thoughts on the game

Firstly, you gave a townread on rayn for sheeping a vote without giving reasoning. Why didn't you give the same read to the other people that did the same thing, like OnceKing? Is OnceKing not worth pocketing?

Your null read on Haru. You basically said Haru did X, which isn't alignment indicative. Why did you feel the need to post it?

You townread ExO for making a long post. Pretty weak reason to townread someone, especially since you disagree with his post. And since you disagree with his post, why haven't you even posted why you disagree with it?

Your last read says that Robik isn't necessarily scummy. Again, what's the point of this?

I disagree particularly with ExO's read on my team. I included Robik to show that I think both members of their team are town.

I don't see OnceKing voting for team WeDemandALawyer in the voting thread. In fact, I only see Palmar and Rayn, so I mentioned Rayn.

I mentioned Haru because there was sort of a back and forth between rayn and haru. Tbh I initially put him in there because I townread him but then I realized I didn't really have enough info to confirm it.


I understand that you disagree with ExO's case. Given that he made a scumread on you, you have to disagree with it. However you didn't interact at all with the reasons he scumread you. You just called him town for doing it. You also called his partner town, and didn't give any real reason. For lesser experienced players, when someone scumreads them, a town will usually omgus with "if he thinks I'm mafia, then he has to be mafia", while scum will usually pocket the person that scumread them. You produced the most clean-cut pocketing that I have ever seen.

Your townread on rayn still doesn't sit right with me. I'll drop the reasoning that you didn't townread OnceKing for the same thing. However the reasoning you have for townreading rayn is the most detailed and specific case you have posted by far, and you did it to give a townread on someone who isn't even getting lynched. That's scummy.

Your Haru thing doesn't strike much confidence either. If you had a townread on him before you had any evidence, that means you tried to read him under the mentality that he is town. That points directly to you being scum.

You mentioned earlier that you have scumhunting tactics. So far it's managed to find a lot of town. Also with your re-entrance post here really sounding like you are paranoid about your own image.

We should totes lynch Stratiform today. I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well.

I'll admit, I am cautious. That is because this is my first game with actual good people and I'm not sure how you guys will react to my comments.

I like process of elimination, rule out the townies and pick the scummiest one that remains. This is why I am pointing out town.

Haru I initially thought was town because I didn't think his overreaction was scummy, and defending a teammate seems like a pretty good play. Then I realized that neither of those were very good reasons to call someone town, but he was still one of my reads, so I included him.

Also, I thought that omgus was a scum tactic. I don't really like suspecting people purely because they suspect me. I'm unfamiliar with pocketing though.

The reason for my reads on Haru and Rayn was that I wasn't around at the time of the discussion, but I still wanted my opinion known. Also, sorry but I have to go again. Might be back soon, might not.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 12 2014 00:06 GMT
#937
Hello Koshi, I did say that I may or may not be back soon. And I am back! Sooner than expected.
If anyone cares, my robotics team is not very organized and usually doesn't have a set end time for their meetings.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 12 2014 02:39 GMT
#980
Koshi/CR is a good guess for mafia.

Chairman Ray:
On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 05:50 Stratiform wrote:
Well I have some stuff to say about the game at least. I feel like rayn is town, and I don't think haru is necessarily mafia.

On July 11 2014 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: WeDemandALawyer

I don't really think that in this situation voting without reasoning up front is reason to call someone scum. At this point in this game, I don't think mafia would sheep a vote without explanation, and then publicly declare it in the thread. I just don't see the logic from a mafia perspective.

Haru is null because all he did was defend his teammate to the best of his ability, which you would want to do for either alignment.

Also, although ExO has acted differently in other games, his massive post shows that he is putting a lot of effort into his reads. While I may not agree with all of them, I think it is a sign of town. Robik, while acting strange, isn't necessarily acting scummy.


You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind.

##vote: Team Magic Computer

His second post in the game and it's voting on an easy target. He then proceeds to tunnel me for pretty much the entire time he was in the thread. His away post then randomly throws accusation on bunnies, not sure if that comment is mean to be taken seriously. Also, he barely acknowledges anything else that is going on in the thread.

On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well.

That's all he posts aside from tunneling me pretty much.

As for Koshi:
On July 12 2014 08:40 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2014 08:36 Alakaslam wrote:
On July 12 2014 08:33 Koshi wrote:
K I have read everything. My head is superheavy atm.
There is like no direction in this thread. Everything is a blur.

But because I am totally awesome I got this for you all:

Eden seems town.
ExO_ seems town.

If I really have to call somebody scum I would go for Stratiform. My junior is pretty good. I am obviously new senior.

Anyhoezels I need sleep.

Well when you wake up I will wonder why

ExO_, Vanilla town claim, and also funny.
Eden junior from Robik and also made that list post. Also the joke where Robik is filthy bathwater. Hilarious stuff.

And no reason to why Stratiform is town. Also does he play a lot with rayn? Cuz I don't see why rayn is town. Don't know why he knows. Also he said he may or not may be back. So scummy.

ezpz


This post is the one that stood out to me. ExO being town is a fairly common read by this point, and no one is really attacking Eden either. His only scumread is a sheep of his partner with a half-assed justification.
Stratiform
Profile Joined June 2014
37 Posts
July 12 2014 03:14 GMT
#984
On July 11 2014 21:46 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2014 21:43 Palmar wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote:
On July 11 2014 21:28 Palmar wrote:
Actually, I'm going to do this:

##Unvote
##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer


3. This post

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.
Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not?

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear


Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing.


Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side.

-M&M


I don't get what you mean

If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it.

You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer.

-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear


That's completely incorrect and I'd actually shoot you guys right now if a) I had a gun, and b) you guys were the same person.

Because this idea that you have to talk about it, is super inconsistent with glowingbear's opinion that:

On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath.


So why is he wasting his breath?




So I guess here is where the problem lies

I am not the same person as glowingbear and even though we are the same entity now, we are just a conjoined twin.

My stance is that if glowingbear did not talk about the kenpachi rule thing, I would have talked about it.


Slender, Haru does mention his plan regarding the Kenpachi rule here instead of just saying it was a plan he and GlowingBear made up later. This is only a few posts after he brings the point up to begin with. Not sure if you saw this.

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