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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 12:21 GMT
#12
/in

two games at once, only because geript promised me on video this one would be good.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 14:05 GMT
#30
On March 03 2014 22:44 yamato77 wrote:
/in

I will not be trying too hard this game.

Also, last spot hype.


I will, regardless of my alignment, try to lynch you or straight up shoot you if you don't try hard enough for my taste.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 19:50 GMT
#58
Can I strategically be a dick to people without directly insulting them?

This would be for example ridiculing someone's arguments, or straight up refusing to listen to them, maybe pretending they don't exist, or otherwise enrage people in a manner that is not just calling them idiots.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 19:53 GMT
#60
yeah I just claim for it to be a strategy so I look like I'm less of a dick than I actually am.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 20:20 GMT
#65
On March 04 2014 05:10 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think that strategy is working for you Palmar. All it did with HF was give him an excuse to go afk for another cycle.


Not my fault all those people didn't vote for him.

And he was better for the thread afk, when he came back he dazzled VE, better have him away.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 20:54 GMT
#68
deadline is great for hilarity. I'll be going to sleep every night like 4-5 hours before the deadline. So I'm going to be like "don't fuck this up".
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 03 2014 21:13 GMT
#70
On March 04 2014 06:08 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm. Well, it kind of sucks for me :/ Is it that bad for you WOS if it's a bit earlier?


Just roll with it

We can then blame the americans if we lose.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 04 2014 13:29 GMT
#94
I'm picking 1 1 btw guys.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 08:38 GMT
#255
didn't know this started, also expecting to be carried through this game.

Do we know the order already? I picked 1/1 btw.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 08:38 GMT
#256
will support a policy lynch on anyone who picked my numbers.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 09:55 GMT
#262
On March 05 2014 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar are you scum?


I think answering that question truthfully will negatively impact my chances of winning the game and thus I refuse to.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 10:37 GMT
#278
On March 05 2014 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Policy lynch Palmar
##vote Palmar


You can't just yell "policy lynch". You have to have an actual policy that I have broken.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 10:37 GMT
#280
On March 05 2014 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Palmar just claimed scum/survivor.


I did not do that.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 10:39 GMT
#283
On March 05 2014 19:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 19:37 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2014 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Policy lynch Palmar
##vote Palmar


You can't just yell "policy lynch". You have to have an actual policy that I have broken.

The policy is lynching people who claim scum.


I did not claim scum, therefore I have not broken your policy. Therefore you cannot say you're policy lynching me,.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 11:05 GMT
#292
On March 05 2014 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wel lcan you explain then how your statement makes sense from town perspective? That was kinda what i was asking in the first place when i asked you to elaborate.


If we first assume that the only reasonable answers to your question are "yes" and "no", then yes I can. If I am mafia, it should be obvious that answering the question "yes" (and thus truthfully) would increase the chances of me getting lynched significantly.

It is not as obvious that a "no" answer as town will increase the chances I get lynched, and thus reduce town's chances of winning the game. The thing is a hard "no" answer to this question is not what I'd usually do as town. A more likely answer from me would be along the lines of "bitch please", "no, are you?" or "no, but I know who is *reasons*". All of those answers are both truthful and would (in my opinion) decrease the chances of me being lynched. However the short, hard "no" I would think is slightly suspicious coming from me. This is arguable, but I'd put the increased chance of me being lynched from the hard "no" at maybe a percent or so, small, but still valid.




However what I'm surprised you haven't picked up on about Palmar is how inconsistent he is when presenting that original statement.

The refusal to truthfully answer the question is based upon desire to win the game. The entire reason he does not provide the answer is that he thinks he cannot do so truthfully without decreasing his chances to win.

However, given that the refusal is based on his own speculations about the game and how town might react to his statements, he should have also been able to deduce that the refusal would put him under even more scrutiny than answering "no" as town. This contradicts his initial motivation for not answering, as not providing the answer means he's under more suspicion than he would be if he answered truthfully as town.

This leaves only the option that Palmar is scum, as then, and then only, would the suspicion be increased by a truthful answer compared to no answer. And while that wasn't his original baseline, the motivation for the answer given implies that's the case.

I would vote for Palmar but seeing as he is me and that would once again reduce my chances to win I'm afraid I can't. But I hope people notice this contradiction in his play.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 11:19 GMT
#301
On March 05 2014 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Unless you are suggesting i am mafia and therefore there are no "right answers" which is dumb in the first place and you should have still said "no".


No I'm suggesting a simple answer would always be a bad answer. But I can tell that you don't agree so I think we must agree to disagree.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 11:21 GMT
#303
On March 05 2014 19:41 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar, you promisd before the game that you'd try to lynch yamato if he didn't put in sufficient effort. Are you abandoning this in your desire to be lazy, or are you gonna go full hypocrite instead? Or whence the change of heart in general?


I have not decided the appropriate answer to this question yet. I may have been lying but I also may have been telling the truth. I think it's important I decide whether or not I was lying, as that will have an effect on how I vote today.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 11:24 GMT
#306
On March 05 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
ok, as long as we are perfectly clear you are policy lynching someone rather than lynching for scumminess


Unlike our friend Oats, I am fully aware of how policy lynches work, and what the requirements for executing them are. I usually make it abundantly clear when I'm policy lynching.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 12:05 GMT
#340
On March 05 2014 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is also this other thing on Palmar which is that my plan is actually really fucking good and only relies on townies agreeing with it (which leaves scum no other chance than to actually go with it) and this is a perfect fucking guise to not do so for Palmar as mafia as he can be stubborn and fuck with the plan just because he wants to shoot someone and that's why i also want to lynch him.


what plan? I haven't read the thread dude.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2014 12:10 GMT
#343
yeah I'll go along with that plan if I pick no 2-3-4. if I'm no1 I'm picking something to kill people with, but I don't mind if no2 outs all the roles and I have no problem with claiming what role I picked. In fact I'll pick day vig if I'm no 1 and just shoot someone in the face for science.
Computer says mafia
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