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[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot

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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 07:58 GMT
#81
I had Holy and Toad, and they were both awesome <3

Especialy Holy for teaching me replacing out for epicness
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 07:58 GMT
#82
And BTW, I'm back!
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 18:54 GMT
#88
On February 07 2014 00:37 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 16:58 sidesprang wrote:
And BTW, I'm back!


Yay You have time to participate now?


Well yeah, will only be busy next wedensday if I live that long. rest should be fine.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 21:59 GMT
#97
first
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 22:00 GMT
#99
I think BW is better, how about you ?
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 22:00 GMT
#100
rofl, did not expect that shit when i refreshe.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 06 2014 22:11 GMT
#116
No, i've not played with him before. He said in his last game that he never had rolled scum I think. So will be hard to use meta on him I guess. Unless his game greatly differs from his previous ones.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 02:42 GMT
#300
On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment?

It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy.


What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town?
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 03:20 GMT
#318
On February 07 2014 11:52 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 11:42 sidesprang wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:38 jaybrundage wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment?

It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy.


What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town?

The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy.

However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree.



Regarding your Koshi case I think it is a really weak meta case, and you better get more meat on it if you wanna try to push it again. The fact that you are so sure in it, I find strange. As you said yourself it's just an early D1 case..

And the Balla thing I really struggle to find scum motivation for him defending Scum!Koshi, mainly because your attack is so early and it so weak. I really doubt a scum would feel the need to bother about that case at all. Aka I think it's highly unlikely they are scum together.

I think it's to early to call you scum, mostly cause I struggle to see a scum going as hard and fast out of the gates as you did. But I definetly don't like your play so far.

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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 03:23 GMT
#322
On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:
Hey guys I'd like to discuss Suki

Filter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct

Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions.

I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games.

I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any?


Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ?

I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 03:42 GMT
#335
On February 07 2014 12:30 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 12:23 sidesprang wrote:
On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:
Hey guys I'd like to discuss Suki

Filter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct

Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions.

I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games.

I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any?


Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ?

I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S

It's a kind of half-meta case, in that her play so far does not seem to be directed towards scumhunting, and I can verify that she is capable and willing to direct her play towards scumhunting by checking a previous town game. The argument holds without any need to refer to her scumgames, though I would take a look at it if I were to start seriously pushing for her lynch. For now I want to discuss her play so far.

Putting aside your opinion of my methods, what's your read on suki so far?


By applying meta to Suki I dont really get a read either way.

I feel the last Shadowgame and her last Newbie game (scumgame), are vastly different from this game. atm she has trolled pretty much all game. Which I don't think is very allignment indicative, in fact I would rather lean town on a trolling Suki than scum. Because she has a strong scumgame, and she did get a lot of praise for it, I would assume she would try to uphold that standard.

But I guess my conclusion is, to early to say. And when Suki comes back I hope she picks it up and plays more seriously.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 08:56 GMT
#400
On February 07 2014 15:27 suki wrote:
Fine, he's not 'objectively' scum. There are more points against him for being scum than the points that I have against sidesprang which is largely a meta read.


Quoting this since shorter

If you want to apply meta read on me, then do not use my almost 4 year old games. It wont get you anywhere good.

You are correct that my mindset and play this game is different. Last month i've been coached and I've shadowed, both for first time. So I do hope I picked up something, that will hopefully improve my play.


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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 09:03 GMT
#402
No idea. Should be my largest D1 filter at least. But that is not really saying much.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 09:44 GMT
#409
k, dont wanna give out town / nullreads tho cause I don't see the town benefit in doing so.

Currently I got three people on my watchlist.

JayB: This guy was an easy townread for me last game. ATM I'm not getting that at all, he made loads of bad posts so far, which don't make you scum. But I'm not getting the same easy read as last game which makes me wanting to see more contributions from him.

Jonny: A lot of the same as JayB. Had this guy as an easy townread in my Newbie game. Not getting the same vibe atm. He got a Balla case coming up tho, so let's see where that goes.

Oats: He sheeped onto JayB, and seems certain he is scum. Without adding his own thoughts. He was also quick to jump on Suki when aqua mentioned her, which I found wierd seeing how certain he acted against JayB.

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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 09:47 GMT
#410
On February 07 2014 18:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol the meta read says that you are currently playing worse Sidesprang, did you read it?


It says im playing different ?
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 10:00 GMT
#414
On February 07 2014 18:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
different=worse.

What is your read on Suki? Also whats wrong with sheeping? Am I scummy if Im right on who I sheep onto?


Why is different = worse, when you got a bad game to begin with? To try to improve your game you need change something.

Sheeping don't make a guy scum, don't matter if the guy you are sheeping onto is scum or not. It does however make me want to keep a closer eye on you. Especially since you basically did it twice.

Regarding Suki, she is a hard read for me given I think she plays scum really well. I see nothing pointing towards her being scum atm, and I think the trolling / fun opening is more likely town indicative then scum. Because why open like that if you got good scumgame ?
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 15:34 GMT
#459
On February 07 2014 22:49 suki wrote:
@Sidesprang

Hi Sidesprang,

Like Oats said, Aqua was only questioning about my meta (which you so kindly commented on). His case on me was completely separate from Aqua's line of thought.

You said 'without adding his own thoughts, he was also quick to jump on suki', but he clearly posted why he was voting me:

Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game?

##vote Suki


I'd like you to comment on his case and his pressure on me. How is Oats scummy from his actions?



Ok here we go again. You always read my comments wrong, last game too.

The "without adding his own thoughts" part is refering to the part about JayB.

Regarding Oats and his pressure on you.

His orignial problem with you is how you handled the JayB's case on Koshi. I have no problems with what you did, why would you need to comment on it all, if its good/bad if koshi is town/scum. The case is obviously bad, and you react that way. Totally a null tell imo. For him to jump off JayB which he then had as scum less then an hour earlier for that I do find strange.

On February 07 2014 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 13:51 suki wrote:
Regarding people's concerns that I'm not scum hunting, I was just having fun at the beginning of the game. So, you can decide if I'm scum hunting or not going forward.

On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game?

##vote Suki


I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started.

What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived.

In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset.

In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay.


On Koshi

Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk.

His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute.

If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch.

Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns.

so then this was a lie?
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage


What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.

Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way.

So basically you think JayB is scum because he made a case longer than 2 sentences. Why is it more scummy if someone tunnels early? Didnt I tunnel early against koshi off pretty much nothing and I was town? You are doing the exact same thing as last game. I guess either you didnt learn anything or you are scum trying to play to your previous town meta.

What about JayB's scumhunting was forced and contrived?


Here he is leaving the door open for you to be town, based on you acting the same way you did as town 1 week ago. I don't know if he actually looked up your scum meta or not. But that he still is going strong on you after that line I really dont understand. Gonna go read up on his meta after dinner.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 15:36 GMT
#461
On February 07 2014 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
I kinda dont think either are scum. I need to check JayB's last scum games but I dont think so. Its like both of their pushes on Koshi were so bad.
What do you think of Suki and Balla?


No he did not, he asked me about my read on you, which I answered. He asked Koshi about his reads on Balla and you, which he also answered...
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 15:38 GMT
#462
On February 08 2014 00:35 Koshi wrote:
That's brave after suki just said that you use meta a lot as scum. :D


You talking to me ?

I dont have any meta as scum. My last scum game was 4 years ago, the only meta you can apply to my scumgame is me playing different from my last two games.
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sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
February 07 2014 15:45 GMT
#464
@Oats

How did you go from being so certain JayB was scum, to then being certaing Suki was scum, to now being on me? You don't seem to be that certain on me being scum atleast compared to what you were with JayB and Suki. So that would mean you don't have Suki as scum anymore or?
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